2021 TRIPLE START TAP AND DIE GROUP BUY

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2021 TRIPLE START TAP AND DIE GROUP BUY

Welcome to the 2021 tap and die group buy! My name is Hannah, I will be organizing the buy this year. Patrick (Jarod888) did an excellent job with last year’s buy and I will be borrowing heavily from his work. This post has been approved by @Monty the IAP group buy coordinator.

This buy is focused on obtaining the maximum quantity discount for our members for the triple start tap and dies and Bock and JOWO taps required to build kitless pens. The more orders we collectively place for each size tap and die, the greater the discount.

Attached is the pricing information from Tapco. The offerings listed are based on what garnered interest from last year’s buy.


HOW TO PARTICIPATE

If you would like to participate, comment on this post, fill out the attached order form, and send it to me via direct messages. Or, DM me and I’ll give you my email address where you can send your order form. Only the highlighted cells need to be filled out. If you don’t have Excel, let me know and I can send it to you in a different format.

THE CUTOFF FOR PLACING ORDERS IS SATURDAY, MAY 15 AT 6:00 PM PST.

Since the discount we receive depends on the number of orders for each tap/die size, the exact cost of your items can’t be 100% determined until all orders have been placed. The order sheet lists the highest possible price (if you are the only one purchasing the item) and the most probable lowest price (if the group buys 24 taps/12 dies). The price you will pay for an item is likely between these two numbers (and hopefully the cheapest price!) There are two items that require a one-time tooling fee: this cost will be split between anyone ordering the item.

TO SEE THE CURRENT DISCOUNT LEVELS, OPEN THIS GOOGLE DOC. HIGHLIGHTED CELLS REPRESENT THE CURRENT PRICE FOR EACH ITEM BASED ON THE NUMBER OF CONFIRMED ORDERS. THIS SPREADSHEET UPDATES AUTOMATICALLY WHEN A NEW ORDER IS ENTERED, SO CHECK BACK OFTEN TO SEE THE CURRENT DISCOUNT LEVEL.

This google doc also shows the items each person has ordered. If you prefer for your order to remain anonymous, let me know and I will put "Anonymous" instead of your IAP username.


PAYMENT

You will receive two invoices. The first will be sent to you the day after the group buy closes (May 16) and will be for the cost of your taps and dies, fees, shipping, and insurance. Payments can be made via Paypal or Venmo. I will give you instructions for how to pay when I send you your invoice.

THE PAYMENT DEADLINE IS MONDAY, MAY 31 AT 6:00 PST.

The second invoice will be sent later and will be for the shipping cost from Tapco. This cost will be split evenly among participants. Please pay this within two weeks of receiving it.

If using Paypal, please use the “Friends and Family” option. This allows for money transfers without fees. I understand that in the past IAP has conversed with Paypal about whether this is acceptable use, and they have said that it is. If you still want to pay with the “Goods and Services” option, you must add 4% to your total.

All the items in the spreadsheet should be available for purchase. If for any reason an item is backordered or unavailable, your money for that item will be refunded to you.


SHIPPING AND INSURANCE

I will be shipping your orders to you via USPS Small Flat Rate Box. There is $50 insurance included with small flat rate boxes. I will be adding additional insurance for the full retail value of your purchase as a default. The amount to be insured is the value of replacing the parts (the item’s value without a discount). While this will cost extra, I STRONGLY suggest that you accept this insurance. I cannot be responsible for what happens to your package after I ship it to you. If you don’t want this recommended insurance, you may opt out on your order form. The order form also shows you the cost of insuring your shipment.

Tapco estimates that it will take 5-6 weeks from the time of our order (May 31) to ship. Once I receive the shipment from Tapco, I will ship to participating IAP members within 3 days. All told, you can expect to have your brand new taps and dies in hand by the end of July.

I am willing to accept international orders. Please note that shipping will take longer and be more expensive if you are ordering from outside the US, and depending on the country USPS may not offer shipping insurance.

IF YOU MISS THE DEADLINE FOR ORDER SUBMISSION OR PAYMENT, YOU WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE GROUP BUY.

Thanks for reading, let’s get those discounts!

DM me if you have any questions ✌️
 

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Hmm, the quote I received from TapCo a few weeks ago lists the Jowo #6 size as M7.5 x .5

That's what is listed in last year's TapCo group buy as well.
 

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For what it’s worth....
 

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If There is a place that has a potential deal that is better, but it could get cheaper buying from this group buy, are we allowed to pull out if the prices are not as low as I need them to be? and will there be a chart that says how many of each are being bought? because one of the documents says that there has to be a minimum of x amount bought in order to get a discount. will we know what the discount is before we pay for them?
 

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If There is a place that has a potential deal that is better, but it could get cheaper buying from this group buy, are we allowed to pull out if the prices are not as low as I need them to be? and will there be a chart that says how many of each are being bought? because one of the documents says that there has to be a minimum of x amount bought in order to get a discount. will we know what the discount is before we pay for them?
You can certainly put in a tentative order and decide not to buy if there isn't enough of a discount. That's fine.

The google doc that I linked will be a tracker of the current discount levels as people place their orders.
 
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You can certainly put in a tentative order, and decide not to buy if there isn't enough of a discount. That's fine.

The google doc that I linked will be a tracker of the current discount levels as people place their orders.
if you open the document it says view only and that it is not a live feed. is there a different document that I should Go to?
 

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if you open the document it says view only and that it is not a live feed. is there a different document that I should Go to?
Nope, that's the correct document. It says view only because I am the only one who can edit it and will do so once people start placing their orders. Anyone viewing the document will see these changes as they happen.

The buy is open for 5-6 more weeks so check back throughout that period.

Also yes, the shipping information is detailed above and can be estimated in the order form.
 
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Thanks for doing this! Just getting going with making fully bespoke pens so not sure which sizes I'll be ordering, but will be buying something for sure! Going to attend the virtual Penmaker's International Symposium the 24th and 25th to gather more knowledge and then make some decisions.

I'd also appreciate any thoughts on those sizes most people find they use the most. I've read the great article put out by Phil Dart at Beaufort Ink and viewed a bunch of YouTube's by Bob at RJB Woodturner and have gotten some ideas, but even at the great discounts with the group buy, the ticket gets large quickly! But I am done making kit pens and want to go the full 'made by me' route including the blanks, so trying to make sure I spend my money on the right stuff! Appreciate your thoughts and assistance!

Kevin
@oceanside_woodcraft
 

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Thanks for doing this! Just getting going with making fully bespoke pens so not sure which sizes I'll be ordering, but will be buying something for sure! Going to attend the virtual Penmaker's International Symposium the 24th and 25th to gather more knowledge and then make some decisions.

I'd also appreciate any thoughts on those sizes most people find they use the most. I've read the great article put out by Phil Dart at Beaufort Ink and viewed a bunch of YouTube's by Bob at RJB Woodturner and have gotten some ideas, but even at the great discounts with the group buy, the ticket gets large quickly! But I am done making kit pens and want to go the full 'made by me' route including the blanks, so trying to make sure I spend my money on the right stuff! Appreciate your thoughts and assistance!

Kevin
@oceanside_woodcraft


I am on a similar trajectory. Take a look at the Google doc. The m13x.8 triple and M10x1 single are the "standards". Seems a lot of people start with these. Then decide which nibs you want to build for.
 

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So, I'm confused (definitely not unusual). On the "taps", I can go for a plug, taper, or bottom. Do I need all three (don't know if my bank account can withstand that hit) or can I get by with one "standard"? I "sorta" understand the differences, but need a bit of clarification. Right now, I'm leaning toward just the "plug" profile. Thoughts?:cool:🖖
 

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I am sure someone will come along and help clarify my answer. I'll try to answer from my recent foray into this. For what we do the plug is very sufficient. You will have to go deeper to get the correct threads. The taper you don't have to go as deep and possibly take a little more skill than the plug. The bottoming doesn't appear to be useful for making pens unless you are doing some sort of shallow cap possibly.

I'm all for more knowledge. Please let me know where I am off base.
 

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Jack you have it wrong.

The taper tap also called starting tap is to cut the first few threads. It starts the process gradually.
The plug tap is the middle one used to complete the threads in a through hole or if the bolt going into the hole doesn't go to the bottom.
The bottoming tap is used after the plug tap to cut the remaining threads in a blind hole that was cut with the plug tap.

For all but the hard metals you shouldn't need a taper tap to make pens. The plug tap can do most all, so you need it. The bottoming tap is used to follow a plug tap after it cuts a few threads. The bottoming tap completing the threads to make a clean finish to the threads so they don't run past what is needed. The bottoming tap is for translucent or clear blanks and is an optional tap if you prefer no more threads than needed to cut a clean thread. So you see it use mostly on caps.

So the plug tap is a must. The bottoming tap is for the anally retentive type that like clean and neat so is optional. The taper tap is rarely needed except for difficult to start thread materials.

The taps described are for hand taps like the buy is for.
 

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Jack you have it wrong.

The taper tap also called starting tap is to cut the first few threads. It starts the process gradually.
The plug tap is the middle one used to complete the threads in a through hole or if the bolt going into the hole doesn't go to the bottom.
The bottoming tap is used after the plug tap to cut the remaining threads in a blind hole that was cut with the plug tap.

For all but the hard metals you shouldn't need a taper tap to make pens. The plug tap can do most all, so you need it. The bottoming tap is used to follow a plug tap after it cuts a few threads. The bottoming tap completing the threads to make a clean finish to the threads so they don't run past what is needed. The bottoming tap is for translucent or clear blanks and is an optional tap if you prefer no more threads than needed to cut a clean thread. So you see it use mostly on caps.

So the plug tap is a must. The bottoming tap is for the anally retentive type that like clean and neat so is optional. The taper tap is rarely needed except for difficult to start thread materials.

The taps described are for hand taps like the buy is for.
Thanks, that's the clarification that my bank account and "in-house supervisor" needed. :cool:🖖
 

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The 7.5 x .5 and 6.5 x.5 will work just for threading for the jowo nibs. They are 7.4 x .5 and 6.4 x .5 as manufactured, Though slightly larger by
1mm or .004 we are making pens and if you have ever seen the fit on the threads on a kit its a wonder they work at all. The .1mm is across the diamter so its only .05 mm(.002) on each side. The feeds can be out of round more than that.
 

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I'll definitely be joining in on this soon, but I'm still new to this so I have to figure out what sizes I need first :)
I think this is a really common issue. I definitely didn't know what I needed when I first started making these.

If it's helpful, here is what I used on the pen pictured below:

Section:
Jowo #6 Plug Tap (20668)
M 10 X 1 Die (48455A)

Body:
M 10 x 1 Plug Tap (41579)
M 13 x .8 Die (35971A)

Cap:
13 x .8 Plug Tap (35985)

Everyone has a different method or sizes they like, this is just what works for me at the moment!
 

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I think this is a really common issue. I definitely didn't know what I needed when I first started making these.

If it's helpful, here is what I used on the pen pictured below:

Section:
Jowo #6 Plug Tap (20668)
M 10 X 1 Die (48455A)

Body:
M 10 x 1 Plug Tap (41579)
M 13 x .8 Die (35971A)

Cap:
13 x .8 Plug Tap (35985)

Everyone has a different method or sizes they like, this is just what works for me at the moment!
Like you, I'm just getting started. My order is in for the current group buy for what seems to be the "starter" set. BTW, RJBWood Turner (Bob Blandford) has a YouTube video on getting started with a list of items for bespoke (kitless) pens. Here's the link

Hope this helps 😎🖖
 
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