Cmiles1985
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I'll go in for a 10 and 12 double start set.
Lets up the ante shall we?
Lets up the ante shall we? What kits use 10mm dual start cap threads? What kits use 12mm dual start cap threads? Also what kits would be compatible with this order? i.e. the Cambridge is 12mm triple start.
Lets up the ante shall we?
Why?
Why not simply say if you want in on the buy?
But you have not said why you want to up the ante.
It just seems like you're stirring up controversy where none need exist: allow those of us who want to buy double-starts to go ahead and waste our money (if that's how you see it.)
Why do we need to know which kits use these sizes? If you want to experiment with kitless, can't you use whatever sizes and thread dimensions you want?
Am I missing something?
I thought it may be easier to begin with double start.
But you have not said why you want to up the ante.
It just seems like you're stirring up controversy where none need exist: allow those of us who want to buy double-starts to go ahead and waste our money (if that's how you see it.)
I can assure you 100% there is no controversy on this. I was approached by not one but several people and the question was ask what does double start give me that single (1) lead, tripple(3) lead, quad (4) lead does not. We also have several fence sitters, those who are on the fence and would like further information as to why a tap/die in this flavor would be of benefit to them.
I was attempting to point out that there are numerous advantages, many of them hidden and not so obvious. i.e. many/most of the pen kits use dual (2) start thread sizes on the cap. Perhaps some of them are compatible here and we can use the tap/die from this order to do closed end work. No need for that plastic insert anymore.
This is news to me on the 'waste our money' comment. If you look early in this thread and note my replies I think you will find quite different. I have also been a strong advocate of multi start tap and dies for the community for some time now.
I was attempting to point out that there are numerous advantages, many of them hidden and not so obvious.
I tried the library and quickly searched a few posts for info on which kits use which thread Sizes. Can someone save time by listing the tap/die sets to use for various kits?
Maybe I can then make an informed decision about this potential buy.
If all kits use triple starts for the components, I can still use double starts for other things or practice.
I think it's fair to say that the assumption is that these taps dies would be purchased for making kitless pens and the reason for different sizes is for different size pens.
However, if there could be steps along the way to totally kitless, I would jump right in instead of wavering.
It seems to be known the the 12mm triple start works with the el grande.
The question that Ed brought to the table is what other kits use taps that may be on the table in this buy.
Obviously, every kit with a screw cap uses some tap and die size. The question is which one. Frankly, I'm surprised that this isn't more common knowledge in this community - which sizes that is.
This won't necessarily up the ante per player but could potentially up the number of players and ironically lower the ante of the tooling charge.
[U]Name[/U] [U]leads[/U] [U]OD of male threads[/U]
baron/sedona; quad; 9.5mm
gent jr (dayacom); dual; 9.9mm
gent IIa (csusa); dual; 9.8mm
nouveau sceptre; triple; 9.8mm
gent sr; triple; 11.6mm
churchill; triple; 11.8mm
cambridge; triple; 12mm
imperial; triple; 11.27mm
emperor jr; triple; 9.9mm
atrax (compat with emperor); triple; 9.9mm.
[U]Name[/U] [U]leads[/U] [U]OD of male threads[/U]
Noodlers Ahab/Konrad; dual; 13mm
I also see that Most of the kits on your list Ed are Triple lead and not dual lead. Looks like only part of the Gent Series are dual lead. All kits i have in my posession are Triple as well.
I also see that Most of the kits on your list Ed are Triple lead and not dual lead. Looks like only part of the Gent Series are dual lead. All kits i have in my posession are Triple as well.
Only the gent jr, venus, statesman. Perhaps the highest selling series, next to the sierra's.
Lots of good information here. We are now up to 11. I don't mind fence sitters and we have time to figure this out. Not like the quote expires anytime soon. There is lots of good information here. There is one UK member interested. If there are others I would be willing to send one box out and have that person ship on to the rest of the UK from there. Would save a bunch on shipping.
So it looks like the Junior Gent and it's companion pens are would work with this. Anyone able to machine M10 or M12 double start threads on a lathe and give it a shot? I would if I could do more than barely make an object round on my metal lathe.
Still at 11 on which one?Still at 11. Need at least one more to get the double start ball rolling. Any takers?