dabeeler
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Renaissance Micro-Crystalline Wax or Carnuba? I use the Ren wax buffed with a buffing wheel and have not tried the carnuba. Just curious what others like best and why.
I, as do others here, use Kiwi Natural paste shoe polish. Chemically, it is the same product as Ren wax at about 1/10th the price. It works very nicely for keeping down fingerprints.
Go to ehso.com (environmental health and safety organization), find the MSDS sheet for each company. The main ingredient in both products is petroleum distillates.
When I first read all the posts on this site, I didn't really believe Ren and Kiwi were the same stuff. I did a "side by side" test using Kiwi on a blank and Ren on another blank cut from the same board as the first blank. If there was ANY difference, the Kiwi blank shined a little more.
Andy, Being made of the same materials does not make them the same thing.
Look at real aspirin and heroin and morphine.
They are made from the same chemical materials but are WAY different from each other.
It is how they are processed, how much of each material that goes into them, that make them different.
I do not have any regrets using kiwi to recharge a carnuba buff and have applied it to wood and then gone to the buff.
Mike -- carnuba with solvents is just carnuba after the solvents have gone. I find them interchangable and for some uses, the kiwi is easier to apply to the wood and then buff
Taken directly from the website www.picreator.co.uk :
"One is a natural based substance, and the other is a fossil based substance.
Do they look the same, yes, for a short period. Do they act the same, no, because the renwax REPELS acids, carnuba does not, and is an acid based substance itself.
After all this, maybe the question should be: what is the more durable finish among RenWax, Kiwi and pure carnauba (applied with a stick on the lathe or through Beall buffing)?
After all this, maybe the question should be: what is the more durable finish among RenWax, Kiwi and pure carnauba (applied with a stick on the lathe or through Beall buffing)?
I'll never know... What a pity...
After all this, maybe the question should be: what is the more durable finish among RenWax, Kiwi and pure carnauba (applied with a stick on the lathe or through Beall buffing)?
I'll never know... What a pity...
What do you mean you'll never know. Switch from an "asker" to a "doer"! :biggrin:
Why not try all three, come to your own conclusions...... THEN report back to the rest of us what you found out!
But, here is a hint....... NONE of them are going to be "durable", they just help keep the dust and prints off!
After all this, maybe the question should be: what is the more durable finish among RenWax, Kiwi and pure carnauba (applied with a stick on the lathe or through Beall buffing)?
I'll never know... What a pity...
What do you mean you'll never know. Switch from an "asker" to a "doer"! :biggrin:
Why not try all three, come to your own conclusions...... THEN report back to the rest of us what you found out!
But, here is a hint....... NONE of them are going to be "durable", they just help keep the dust and prints off!
1) For the "asker" part: sorry for asking!
2) For the "doer" part: I thought I already contributed with my poor knowledge. Please see question on post #1: "Renaissance Micro-Crystalline Wax or Carnuba? I use the Ren wax buffed with a buffing wheel and have not tried the carnuba. Just curious what others like best and why." My reply on post #9: "Before knowing the IAP forum, I used Carnauba wax after filling the wood's grain with cellulosic sealer. The other way to apply carnauba is with the Beall wood buffing kit.
In either case, carnauba is applied pure, that is by applying a carnauba stick directly on the wood or on the buff.
This is unlike the carnauba brand used to polish cars, etc. Those are blends where carnauba enters for small parts.
Some years ago, I made a wax with 15% carnauba in order to polish furniture. It was simply unworkable. I later learned that 7-8% is a maximum.
Anyway, for our purpose, once the grain of the wood is filled (cellulosic sealer, CA, etc.), carnauba is a very durable finish. "
By insisting on durability, I tried to politely bring back the topic on the initial question. Sorry for this.