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The earthquake and subsequent tsunami have come close to destroying large portions of Japan.It is almost too difficult to imagine. I feel that the pain of the Japanese people must be so immense. It all brings tears to my eyes and heart. I cannot imagine the pain and suffering they have and continue to experience. It will be years before any sense of normalcy is brought to all of the thousands of people, who have survived this horrific calamity, lost all of their belongings, homes, friends and family. I hope that they can be comforted in some way that will help them heal. I am confounded by the lack of response to this calamity by people.
When Haiti was hit by a calamity the response from the people of this country was astonishing. It was on the news, there were telethons to raise money, and radios were asking for monetary help. I am not hearing much from most people and no telethons or anything. I wonder why is there such a difference in response to this devastating event?
God help the Japanese people and bless them with some comfort and hope.
 
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Cindy,
I must have set a precedent we were born on the same day of the month only mine was 14yrs before yours. In answer Australias Prime Minister has sent contingents of folks, money and planes and equipment, Specialists. Now bear in mind our people poor country of 20 millions can only stretch so far recent floods covering the equivalent of many Japans have occured here as well, subsided and another event flooded half of it again. Our nearest neighbor New Zealand have a horror Earthquake that wiped out Christchurch our country is up to their knees in there.

Because of an Alliance with the United States we have troops in Afganistan plus ships etc also in Iraq so guess we are stretched up to our ears financially. Our sympathy is enormous and we care and do what we can over here.

No politics or religeon on the forum only facts in reply over here we vote with our feet.

Action begins with the first step.

KInd regards Peter.
 
The earthquake and subsequent tsunami have come close to destroying large portions of Japan.It is almost too difficult to imagine. I feel that the pain of the Japanese people must be so immense. It all brings tears to my eyes and heart. I cannot imagine the pain and suffering they have and continue to experience. It will be years before any sense of normalcy is brought to all of the thousands of people, who have survived this horrific calamity, lost all of their belongings, homes, friends and family. I hope that they can be comforted in some way that will help them heal. I am confounded by the lack of response to this calamity by people.
When Haiti was hit by a calamity the response from the people of this country was astonishing. It was on the news, there were telethons to raise money, and radios were asking for monetary help. I am not hearing much from most people and no telethons or anything. I wonder why is there such a difference in response to this devastating event?
God help the Japanese people and bless them with some comfort and hope.



Japan is not requesting the help. We have planes that are ready to go but are grounded till they get cleared. The only thing they want is the seach and rescue units that other contries can send and we are sending those. Japan is so much better prepared for such disasters than say the Hataii earthquake. It was the suanmi that did all the devastation and basically there is not much that can be done. The biggest concern there right now is those reactors. That would truely be a devastating problem for alot more people around the world. That is what I have my eyes on in all this. I know alittle bit about what goes into building one and the safety measures on top of safety measures and they all are now breached. that is huge.
 
The earthquake and subsequent tsunami have come close to destroying large portions of Japan.It is almost too difficult to imagine. I feel that the pain of the Japanese people must be so immense. It all brings tears to my eyes and heart. I cannot imagine the pain and suffering they have and continue to experience. It will be years before any sense of normalcy is brought to all of the thousands of people, who have survived this horrific calamity, lost all of their belongings, homes, friends and family. I hope that they can be comforted in some way that will help them heal. I am confounded by the lack of response to this calamity by people.
When Haiti was hit by a calamity the response from the people of this country was astonishing. It was on the news, there were telethons to raise money, and radios were asking for monetary help. I am not hearing much from most people and no telethons or anything. I wonder why is there such a difference in response to this devastating event?
God help the Japanese people and bless them with some comfort and hope.

Well, simply because Japan is not Haiti. Every part of Haiti's infrastructure was wiped out. They were essentially helpless.
Japan was dealt a healthy blow but it is still standing strong. Tokyo dusted off over the weekend and was roaring and ready to go Monday morning to carry on being a world powerhouse. Of course, all that doesn't comfort those who have lost everything but they will be taken care of.
 
I know that multiple countries are sending crews of search and rescue and that is good. What I was speaking about was the lack of requests for money from various sources within our country. I am just surprised that there are not more requests for donations of money to help pay for supplies, etc. that will be needed to keep people alive.
 
If aid and assistance could reach Japan as quickly as the media is on scene it would be amazing. The media seems to have no problem getting there quickly.
 
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Mike
 
as stated above japan is much more prepared and able to cope with the disaster than haiti. japans economy is similar to the usa. not to hijack your thread, but where was help in '05 during the worst hurricane season ever here in the usa?
 
From what I can tell, and maybe I am just being optomistic. But I have seen many simple send your aid here type announcments. For now I don't think there is a need to rally support. I beleive it is coming in on it's own and the most importnat thing at the moment is telling people where they can send it. In some cases it is not a matter of having the aid, but an issue of getting it to the people that need it. The U.S.S. Reagan is there and we are probrbly not going to know much about just what it is doing. But I can imagine that a floating airport is pretty effective in moving people and supplies around. I am not hering so much people stranded and starving as I am hearing about the reator porblems. I think our news here wants to hype it up to make a story. But still they are a real danger. More people and more help is not necessarily always a good thing. They may just get in the way, food coming in that just piles up at botle necks doe no one any good etc. As others have said, Japan is good at disaster control but only so much can even be accomplished each day.
They have my prayers as well and it almost makes me feel guilty to feel as happy as I do that we have heard form our I.A.P. friends. I won't stay that way and I already know it is right to be happy for those that avoided the worst. But it breaks my heart to think of how many didn't.
 
Rich vs Poor

I know that multiple countries are sending crews of search and rescue and that is good. What I was speaking about was the lack of requests for money from various sources within our country. I am just surprised that there are not more requests for donations of money to help pay for supplies, etc. that will be needed to keep people alive.

Well Haiti is a Super Poor Country, Japan is not. Japan currently does not need large sums of Money, they need some other kinds of help, which we and the rest of the world are providing - the last I heard there were 95 countries that had offered assistance.
 
Cindy:
Japan requested nuclear experts. We sent them. Japan requested search and rescue personnel. We are there with ships and crew fit for the task. The American Red Cross is there with blood, food, water and blankets for the sick and homeless.

IMHO, until Japan asks for additional assistance, other involvement is just "meddling" in another country's business.

Respectfully submitted.
 
I think Smitty nailed it the money issue is most of it this is why we don't get help with a hurricane that leaves thousands with out simple drinking water,or something like the towers happens we take care of it in house.It is a terrible thing to have happened and the news pics are hard to even see.I send my blessings out to all those in need of them in Japan.Victor
 
The problem with getting help there is complex and multi-faceted, and that alone is beyond the concept of "outsiders". And most of the slowness is strictly on the shoulders of the culture and government there.


1. Leadership problems at the beginning of major crisis - which is a strong cultural trait that is built upon consultation and consensus before reacting:
Japan is still a closed country when it comes to crisis. Going back to the 747 crash in 1985, the US military was ready with rescue helicopters to get there within a couple of hours, but Japan refused and chose to wait until the next morning only to find that earlier help would have possibly saved some lives. The 1995 Kobe quake that killed 6000 - it took two days for the government to react and get basic help in there. The Japanese mafia and religious organizations were in with soup kitchens before the government responded.
They are much faster in response now and it showed this time.


2. Infrastructure to the area is down: Getting into and out of the area. Japan is primarily mountainous. When two or three major road corridors go down and rail corridors go down, the only way in is by ship or by helicopter for several days to several weeks. If rescue units want to get in, they better take their own helicopters.
This was part of the problem in the Kobe Quake. I lived about 20 miles from the epicenter and was able to get into and out simply because I had a small scooter and could negotiate cracks, crevices and bridges that had a foot gap in them. I hauled in water from outside and small amounts of candy. This was while a couple of major streets were being repaired with emergency measures to allow major transportation.
CNN and News people are being allowed specific access by the government simply because CNN is already established in the country. CNN did not really show how they got into and out of the area as a part of their presentation, leading to the idea that anyone or any organization can get there.


3. Language/communication: Outside help is not as prepared as they think. Japan is NOT a land of English speakers as much as outside people think. A simple translator is not enough. Translation is much slower than one would think as an outsider. I can't state strongly enough how many times visitors would be perplexed because they couldn't find Japanese who could talk to them in English. Bottom line is that they usually thought that because Japan companies and organizations put up lots of English web sites that 50% to 90% of the Japanese can speak English. Effective English communication by Japanese is probably at about 3% to 5%.
FOR a foreigner or foreign organization to go in, especially in areas outside of Tokyo or Kyoto, the vast majority of written material and signs are in Japanese Kanji and kana.

Our organization has a detailed crisis contingency plan in place for every worker including locations and GPS coordinates of hospitals, parks and rescue/emergency centers within a few kilometer radius. When they requested the addresses in a certain format, I told them it would not help as Japanese will not re-write signs, streets, locations and maps for the benefit of our organization. It would take someone with the ability to read and translate for everything. Japan is probably the most Non-English friendly country in Asia. They are friendly, but communication is just are not written or spoken in English (unless you are around US military bases or Embassy locations.)

A major portion of communication is hidden, between the lines and silence. This is often the most important part, culturally. If one cannot do this, then major problems will arise, even in medical situations. I also knew and wrote to some friends - from reading between the lines from news events last Saturday night and Sunday - that the nuclear problem was much worse than presented to the news. A medical and health personnel must read between the lines in crisis situations in order to properly treat people. In truth, a veterinarian often would be more practical in situations like this.


4. Culture and Laws: Japan is VERY paranoid about drugs. Medical personnel will not be allowed simply because of the Rules and laws in place in regard to medical issues. It sure hurts those in need but Japan government and police will not allow this. Japan will not allow outsiders to circumvent their laws. Even in emergency crisis, all outside medical personnel MUST pass or be certified BEFORE being allowed to help.


5. Fatalistic Culture: Japan leadership culture views outside help as a sign of their own weakness. This attitude does not exist among the majority of Japanese in my opinion, but the more in leadership one climbs, the more they feel responsible to be in control. If outside help IS accepted, they (leadership within the culture) view it as their not being able to handle it.

If they break down and accept help, there will be strong criticism from opposing leadership. (Sounds so political, and it is) To get around this, consensus is the primary form of moving forward with major crisis events. But too many die while this is happening. WHICH brings us to the part: Fatalistism. I can't tell you how many doctors I visited for my self or with family over the years that took a fatalistic approach to medicine - whether in Tokyo, Osaka/Kobe or Nagoya area. So to leadership, the fatalistic cultural background is totally accepted for those that die while decisions are being reached.


6. Historical Culture: Since the early 1600's and the Tokugawa clan closed Japan to outsiders and killed over a half a million that became Christian under Francis Xavier. Japanese, in country, still have a subconcious "outsider" exclusion mentality, even in crisis. I know people that accepted us well as individuals. but were afraid of outside things that they did not know. This fear had its deep roots in old cultural events.


7. Outsider mentality and cultural differences. Outsiders consider the goal and purpose as primary (and I agree in crisis situations.) They (we) also think in terms of making individual decisions. However, Japanese overall will consider "relationship" over purpose, group thinking and consensus over individual decisions. Passive and indirect talking and suggesting is the way of communicating while foreigners think "direct" and to the point. This last part is EXTREMELY rude in their culture. Most foreigners don't give a thought to this process. And this is a part of the reason that government and laws are the way that they are - to keep rude outsiders out.


Don't get me wrong, I have had many folks tell me that my wife and I were included as "insiders" in events and situations that they had not seen from other "outsiders". We did not overly placate or patronize but we did understand, respect and follow within their cultural context when we worked there. We were often included in events in which "outsiders" were not invited.

It breaks my heart to see all that is going on, but I also knew before hand that the Japanese red tape would prevent outside help (in the way of personnel) from getting in. The ONLY way outside help will get into Japan is if they already have an established organization there and work through them.
 
Some more to add in:

When and How to get help into the country
Japanese governments response (and allowing others in to assist) basically follows these timelines - The FIRST order of business in a crisis like this is:

1. Look for survivors (by locals and Japanese military and national police.)

2. Establish law and order and an environment that allows control points and access along with governmental/national police oversight and logistics coordination for everything. Japanese are not prone to looting or disorder so the purpose is for control and logistics. This is ongoing while trying to build a temporary infrastructure for transportation.

3. Once this (#2) is established, companies and organizations from outside of the area but in country will be allowed in for relief efforts.

4. Outside country organizations and companies must piggy back on current and long term in-country organizations (Red Cross, IBM, Catapillar, Ford, US military, etc) or companies that they have a strong relationship with. But the in-country org. or company will be held responsible for any problems that arise.

5. Outside help that wishes to go on its own must have proper credentials and that is a lot of red tape. This can be circumvented some/slightly if the organization has VERY strong ties with someone like the President of the US or Former President of the US AND that President personally and publicly intervenes on the company's/Org.'s behalf, if you know what I mean.

It does not make sense to some of us, but that is the way things are done in Japan.
 
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May have been said already but we have bases there or near there that provide support. one of the new super Carriers The Regan? is home ported there that in itself means there is lot of our men and women over there already let pray they make it ok now and in latter life

I'm in agreement with the poster about where was the help when we needed it.

We as a nation are quick to rush, with aid look at all the 911 rescue worker who are now ill and abandoned.

In this case we dont know the full story on how many nuke plants are affected, it would be foolish to throw our troops to the radiation without checking it well 1st

Food for thought looks like some one is trying to get our attention would wide I pray that those over there both ours and there fair well
 
Thanks for the information Hank. Talking to our Church's retired Missionary to Japan at Church Sunday he said basically the same thing. The culture of Japan in different than ours. Just compare the video of the survivors of the earthquake and Tsunami with the ones from Katrina. I point this out not to start a war of words, but to point out the difference between our cultures in time of disaster. Our local TV station is raising money for the Red Cross and there are some other agencies reading a response for when it is requested. I think the biggest thing now is the Nuclear problem that could be worse and more long lasting than the devastation of the Earthquake and Tsunami.
 
RED CROSS is accepting donations. We have sent Navy ships and personell to assist the people of Japan. We have sent supplies via the Navy. WE now can help the people through our prayers....................
 
Thanks Hank as I said before glad to see you back and your experience on this will probably help some understand the complexity of their culture.
 
Self Sufficient

Cultural differences are what they are. They are not likely to change in the next month or two, or even the next decade or two.

Japan is still a rather rich country and sending money where lack of money is not the problem does little good. It isn't a matter of whether or not they can pay for fixing the damage. They can. So we want to send what they need which isn't money. I saw on TV a picture, relief workers were trying to feed some folks...they had rice but no water. The problem was they couldn't cook it. So sending food that does not need to be cooked might help - if the authorities let it into the country.
 
Well Cindy---now look what you did!!!!

Milwaukee radio station is running a telethon for Japan---certainly based on their reading of this thread!!!!

Man--------You got PULL!!!!!
 
Ed,
I just knew that it had to be read by enough people. I think that when Katrina happened that the people of the US did all that they could, but that the government was not responsive quick enough and when they were it wasn't done in a way that was very helpful. I work with an organization that collects medical supplies. As a home care nurse I often have patients that have been given more tape, gauze, saline or other things that they don't use. There are so many rules and regulations that they cannot be sent back for credit, even though they are still sterile and wrapped. I collect these supplies and the other nurses bring them to me and I deliver them to an organization that collects them and ships them to Latin and Central America, where they are used in clinics. A week after Katrina this organization convinced the government to allow them to be shipped to Houston and St. Louis. 6 containers of medical supplies were shipped and they helped to patch up people and treat them for many different illnesses.
I do understand about cultural differences. My first post was really just my own personal observation and to say that I was surprised by the difference in response. I have my own opinions about the why of it, which I will keep to myself.
 
I saw an interesting interview a night or so ago, where "Brownie" (as in, "Great job, Brownie" --then fired) was asked about the situation in Japan.

His reply was illuminating. He said there are probably 4 or 5 people in the Japanese government who have to decide where to deploy their resources.

"Let's see," he continued, "We have a nuclear plant with four silos that look like they MAY explode. How much should we apply there? Then, there is a petroleum refinery that is on fire---resource allocation??? Oh, and then there are the local problems--do we have any resources left??" He then explained that meanwhile the media will take camera crews to the areas that are the poorest and see who they can find, looking dazed and poorly clothed. And THAT will be the interview of the evening----but should it be where the resources are used first?

Seems like an interesting question.

Now, if international organizations come in to help, he also pointed out they will need interpreters. So, again they need Russian linquists to help with the nuclear facility---or should they help the Russian humanitarian aide folks???

It all looks so easy, until you try to allocate your resources intelligently.
 
Just got an update from our local TV station and their fund drive for the Red Cross $250K so that's a start. What hurting Japan is the slowness in dealing with the Nuke problem, there are a least 4 versions of what is happening from various sources in Japan not the news organizations. If they end up with massive raidation problem no amout of outside help will be enough.
 
There is a link on Yahoo home page with a running total. So far 35+k people have donated almost 2M on that one link. Obviously someone is donating. Perhaps not as publisied as you might wish but it is hapenning.

Carl
 
Cultural differences are what they are. They are not likely to change in the next month or two, or even the next decade or two.

Japan is still a rather rich country and sending money where lack of money is not the problem does little good. It isn't a matter of whether or not they can pay for fixing the damage. They can. So we want to send what they need which isn't money. I saw on TV a picture, relief workers were trying to feed some folks...they had rice but no water. The problem was they couldn't cook it. So sending food that does not need to be cooked might help - if the authorities let it into the country.

Actually, Japan holds the second most US debt only behind China.
 
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