Thank you Monty, I believe that's the one. I made these maybe ten years ago and completely forgot. As I get older my mind gets worse from an already poor starting position. I'm limiting myself to a few kits. My doctors and surgeons love them as a gift and helps personalize our encounters. The world needs more kindness and the gift of a pen is well received. When I had hip replacement my wife took credit card pens I'd made and gave them to nurses as a thank you for all they've done and been trough with covid. Several actually teared up. A little heart felt thank you goes a long way. Thank you Monty and mrburls for your replies.