WoodChucker
Member
Are the upgrade gold kits worth while or is it a better to get the titanium? Also, is the upgrade gold the same as 10k gold or is it between the 24 and 10? Hope that made sense.
R.T.
R.T.
Originally posted by whatwoodido
<br />Decide how many opinions on this topic you want and ask 2 times that many people and you should just about get that number of opinions. I like have $20 to 45 pens and pencils and I can't do that with the kits that cost half that price. I think you need to determine where your demand is regarding price level then make a decision based on that and what kind of net revenue you want to make from each pen. For me that decision came to be the basic kits.
Drew
Originally posted by Fred in NC
<br />Don, do you find that the clips show signs of wear faster than the rest of the fittings?
And I agree, that is why I am switching to Ti gold.
Originally posted by WoodChucker
<br />Thanks Daniel, thats good logic. And how about the difference between the (upgrade gold) and the (24k), is the upgrade gold a step up from the 24k but not as good as the 10k? I'm a little confused by this. [:I]
R.T.
Originally posted by whatwoodido
<br />Wayne and others-
Instead of trash talking all basic pen kits, back you claims up with some facts. What specific kit were you using that had the finish wear off in 2 months? Who did you buy it from? If from one of the resellers that advertise hear such as Arizona Silloutte, what manufacturer supplied them? We need to know that these resellers are selling inferior products. <b>Because 100 basic CSUSA slimlines later I have never a single complaint about the finish wearing off.</b>
<b>One of the things that everyone needs to understand is that the different manufacturers have different finishing processes for pens with the same finish title. One manufacturers titanium finish may be very different from anothers. And not to anyone's surprise the lower priced ones are generally the ones that don't discuss what the finish process really is and are the ones cutting the corners. And it isn't necessarily just the finish they are short changing you on, it can be the nibs, the refills, the mechanisms, or anything else. </b>
<b>But overall if you are going to talk trash supply the specifics to back up the trash talk.</b> Just because the candidates for president seem to think it is acceptable to trash talk without facts to back up the mud they sling doesn't mean we need to stoop down to their level.
Drew
Originally posted by whatwoodido
<br />Lou and Don-
I understand what you are referring to about a needed apology finally. Sorry to burst your bubble but I was referring to the a slightly more important election at hand. In case it slipped you mind there is a National Presidential Election, featuring mud slingers John Kerry and George Bush. My reference was aimed at them. The truth of it is I nominated Lou so I voted for him, but in reality I couldn't care less which of you wins the slightly less important election for president of the IAP as I think both of you will do a fine job. And the only thing both elections have in common in my mind is I want them both to be over with so we can get on with business.
I will edit my post to reflect which election I was referring to. Maybe I am the one that should be offended though, you guys assumed some pretty bad things about me.
Drew
Originally posted by whatwoodido
<br /><b>Don and Lou -
Sorry guys I was referring to slightly more important (at least to me) presediential candidates (Kerry and Bush). See a later post below for more clarification.</b>
<b>Everyone else- </b>
There have been several different times where people in this group have bad mouthed basic pen kits. Everyone saying how the plating wears off in two months or less, but no one has ever mentioned a specific kit that they have had this problem with. On the other hand several of us have specifically stated that we have used the basic kits and not had any problems after more than a year of daily use, and have mentioned the specific seller of the kit that we have been satisfied with. In my opinion it seems that trashing a product without giving any specifics is suspect. If these products are so horrible then help protect the rest of us by telling us which specific kits you are referring to. Because not all kits are created equal.
Everyone can jump all over me and that is fine cause I am really thick skinned, but when all of these people get on their high horse and start making comments about how using basic kits means you are creating an inferior product I don't think I am the one that needs to apologize. A member saying that they have had problems with brand X's basic kits plating wearing off is a completely reasonable statement. However when a member starts making references about how using a basic kit shows that you don't care about your customers and won't get return business, I think they are ones with the poor manners. You can look at my posts I am the person that routinely tells people to make their own decisions.
Bill from Arizona Silhoutte-
I was not implying that you are selling inferior products, you were just the first reseller on the list that came to mind.
R.T. -
Apparently, my "I think what you should do" was deemed inappropriate by you, I apologize for that. My intent was to encourage you to make the decision for yourself based on your specific situation, which I doubt is exactly the same as everyone else on the list.
Drew