I appreciate the kudos guys. Jim, I could make more of those with little problem. The trick is to make them while I still have it figured out. The time and effort come in when I have to change around the setup and try to figure out what I've done before. As an example, when I was changing out my tools, I was indexing the turret and watching the tool I wanted coming around. Suddenly the turret stopped and an error message popped up. It had a chuck interference error. I looked down and a carbide drill bit had indexed right between the center of the chuck jaws! [:0] Had the spindle been rotated a couple degrees either way, it would have snapped off the expensive drill very easily. This kind of stuff only happens when I set up to machine something new, so I need to set aside a lot of time and try to document all the little things that I need to do in order to run a part and not have the mishaps like that. Something simple like the drill wobble issue could have easily been a show stopper on this pen, and it took quite a bunch of thinking and effort to overcome the issue. I also killed two grooving inserts dialing in the right feeds and speeds. [B)] Now that I finally have it all working OK, the next ones won't be as difficult and should work the first time out.