Hey I've heard of a guy that's a Master Machinist, I've always wanted to meet a master of any thing I try and do. I've asked some guys that have been in machine shops longer than me, (and I helped do the rudder bushings for the Ark) but none of them have ever met one either. Now with Jeff's work It's easy to see why he is a Master Scroller. he even has a tool to prove it!! I wonder if their are any master fishermen or if that's just broken down into individual areas, like casting, baiting, reeling, hooking, you know.:biggrin: on a slightly better note, two misguided souls voted for one of my pens so I'm not in a dead heat for last, just real close. Curse you Mr. Rat:biggrin: way to go Steven.:star::star::star: