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Does anyone use Facebook? I started an account recently to see what the hub bub is, and they disabled it without any explanation, other than
to inform me it has been disabled.

I was informed of an alternate to FB called MeWe? Has anyone tried this one? From my understanding, they don't have all of the nonsense going on.

In my short tenure at the previously mentioned place, I didn't really find the fascination. Did I miss something? Is it worth trying this other place, or is it just the same
kind of jumble? I thought it was supposed to be a place to talk with people of similar interests. I didn't experience that.

TIA
 
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Facebook is good for communicating with friends and family. Political drama is king if you invite it in to your space. You can look up groups of people that have the same interests as you or groups that are working on similar interests as you. Most groups are "Private". Mostly what that means is that you "apply" to be a member and then get an invite. Not a big deal it's mainly to keep those that like to just 'lurk' and cause trouble from being able to do so. I just did a search for "Pen turning" and turned up quite a few groups for turning pens as well as just turning wood groups also.
Lately I've found that there is as much advertising as there is interaction going on with family and friends.
Their chat is ok, called messenger. You can video chat through it as well as create a group with friends.
Since my family is all over the country Facebook is nice for keeping up with them. You cant hide the fact that you are "online" from those you may not feel like communicating with at the moment unless you "unfriend" them or put them on hold (so to speak).

I joined MeWe a few months ago when my brother recommended it but haven't been back to it since.
 
I am one of the early adopters of a lot of what has become called "social media" these days. I was one of the early people to have a Facebook account, signed up around 2007. I ended up with a Linked-In account long before anyone knew what it was. Etc. etc.

My honest opinion about social media? It was only when I "unplugged" around 2015, and stopped using all of my social media accounts, that I felt like me again. That I felt FREE again. I haven't used social media much since then, except the occacional tweet on a work twitter account about open source software, and I don't regret a moment of not being on social media.

I recommend staying away. Social media is often an all-consuming thing that tends to suck you in and doesn't let go, with constant reminders and alerts dinging at you every few seconds. Save yourself, and stay away. ;)
 
Been there, done that, not a fan. Just my opinion. Some advantages, many, many, many, many... (did I say many) reasons to be careful. I can simply pick up my phone and call those I want to stay in contact with - 3x today! Personally, I feel a need to be in a positive community, much on social media is negative. I don't miss the cr.p. My opinion only. ;)

As to internet Forums, I also pick carefully what I click on. I'll be honest and say IAP is a huge percentage of my viewing. Utube, is a far second but very useful. Yes, I'm boring.
 
No. Never. None of them.

Facebook, Twitter, and the many other social media sites are a security nightmare. It was obvious from the start. I have been proven right over and over and over again, spanning many years.

I don't install loyalty apps on my smart phone, either. It is amazing how much intense pressure comes from companies to install their app for every store, restaurant, gas station, airline, sports team, political organization, charity, etc. etc. etc. Many people are willing to sell their souls to get one free order of french fries, where all they have to do is install an app. Wait and see how that ends up. It won't be pretty, I promise.

As many have said before, you are not the user or customer, you are the product.

Despite my care, I harbor no illusions about how much those companies know about me and track my activities. It is okay to be paranoid if they are truly out to own you. It is Christmas today, so I'll wrap up with:

"They know when you are sleeping. They know when you're awake. They know when you've been bad or good..."
 
There are other reasons than those mentioned above to be cautious. One misconstrued idea, one distorted picture can come back to haunt someone years down the road. My grandson was in a play recently (sound of music) and was he one of the Nazi. A picture of him appeared on social media along with other individuals from the play. All that has to happen in 10 years is for the picture to be published out of context and his next job application or the ones after that will result in his application's rejection. Message and email Conversations taken out of context can do great damage before the truthful context is ever learned.

Almost all messages, web site posts and emails including private ones are on the internet and stored on some remote server just waiting to be pulled up in a divorce settlement 30 years from now by whoever has the money to pay for the detective work. Recently I discussed this very thing with a few friends, and then made the comment that I wish I could find some pictures on a web site (woodworking) that went out of business back in 2006 or 2007. One guy said: I can find it. I described it in detail and the general location (state), and within a week, he produced those pictures. All old info is stored on some server somewhere.
 
Not a fan of Facebook but I do have some groups that use FB. Some websites have gone to FB. I recall a custom fishing rod builder several years ago said he got more business from FB than his website. I don't do it myself. I was told to get on FB when I was the chairman for a group. First FB post was a lady telling she was going to the grocery store. Who cares...except burglars.
 
One of the things we have all learned about during the pandemic is how to use tools like Google Duo and Facetime to keep in touch with friends and relatives. Those are fabulous one-on-one tools, but sometimes we want to reach out to the whole family or a large group of friends. Social media can be an efficient way to interact with many people at a time, and that's great if you have a real relationship with those people. Let's start with family - you may not get to see your family all that often, so social media is a way to keep in touch with the whole clan. The same is true with former neighbors, classmates, etc. In that scenario, social media serves a good purpose.

Realistically, IAP is a form of social media. But those who participate here generally have a real relationship in the form of a shared interest in wood turning and pen making. Again, the scenario is one where social media is constructive.

But where social media can become a problem is where the relationships it fosters aren't real - if you don't know the people with whom you are interacting, and instead the only connection you have with them is that you both happen to have Facebook accounts, then social media has become an artificial substitute for reality.

And when the individuals who are drawn into these social media relationships really have nothing of substance in common, then social media becomes a vehicle thorugh which someone with bad intentions can manipulate and abuse others. That's how kids are exposed to abuse, and how politically naive people can be drawn into bogus conspiracy cults.

So I won't go so far as to say that social media is all bad, but I do believe that it has to be used wisely. Friends should be real friends - not just an anonymous name on Facebook who may or may not be who they claim to be.

Of course, the other concern with social media is that it is a great way to waste time that could really be put to better uses.
 
I am on a few FB sites but do not really follow them. They are too hard to follow because unlike a forum your post gets moved down so fast and tough to find again. I did use FB marketplace this past summer to get rid of some things as I was cleaning the garage and basement. Still have a few things I will post in the spring again. It works for that. That is the only social media thing I use. I do not have to know everytime some has to go to the bathroom or takes a few steps like they do on tweeter. That is what is wrong with today's society. Do not pick up the phone to talk any more. They get keyboard brazen and say whatever pops in their little heads.
 
There are other reasons than those mentioned above to be cautious. One misconstrued idea, one distorted picture can come back to haunt someone years down the road. My grandson was in a play recently (sound of music) and was he one of the Nazi. A picture of him appeared on social media along with other individuals from the play. All that has to happen in 10 years is for the picture to be published out of context and his next job application or the ones after that will result in his application's rejection. Message and email Conversations taken out of context can do great damage before the truthful context is ever learned.

Almost all messages, web site posts and emails including private ones are on the internet and stored on some remote server just waiting to be pulled up in a divorce settlement 30 years from now by whoever has the money to pay for the detective work. Recently I discussed this very thing with a few friends, and then made the comment that I wish I could find some pictures on a web site (woodworking) that went out of business back in 2006 or 2007. One guy said: I can find it. I described it in detail and the general location (state), and within a week, he produced those pictures. All old info is stored on some server somewhere.
This is the real danger of social media. EVERYTHING is taken out of context. Most of social media only allows short little blurbs...you cannot write complete posts or provide complete context all the time, and even if you do, it is easy enough to take things OUT of context...

This is one of the reasons I unplugged. I never really was "into" all of it in the first place, but once I realized that everything you put online is potentially a weapon to be used against you...and then, not long after that, news started coming out about Facebook running unauthorized, secret social experiments on their unsuspecting membership by controlling what kinds of news feeds or what kinds of posts people saw on their feeds, to see if they could control people's emotions...all for their own internal curiosity... That was the disgusting last straw for me. So far beyond the pale, so completely illegal, and to this day still nothing has been done about it (and from what I hear from some of the people I know still on Facebook, these kinds of experiments are ongoing.)

I won't even get into censorship...a completely unamerican concept...
 
Realistically, IAP is a form of social media. But those who participate here generally have a real relationship in the form of a shared interest in wood turning and pen making. Again, the scenario is one where social media is constructive.

Forums like IAP are the last place I spend my time online these days. Unlike the Big Tech social media platforms, they are hosted and controlled by private interests and people. That, to me, is a HUGE distinction. Communities like IAP (or some of the StackExchange forums I've been a core member of in the past) are generally moderated by community members, and are generally cordial collectives of like-minded people with similar interests.

In contrast to Twitter or Facebook, where you may be a part of certain groups, but overall you are a tiny speck in a pool of billions of users, and your "feed" is comprised of AI-directed information that is governed (gathered, filtered, sorted, etc.) as much (or even more so) by internal algorithm switches controlled by the Big Tech moderators as by your own interests.

I'll happily take the privately managed, community-run forums over Big Tech social media any day. ;)
 
My wife and I created Facebook accounts back around 2008 when my older daughter was heading off to college, so we could stay in touch. I also used it to reconnect with friends from high school whom I had not communicated with in over 30 years. That was pretty cool. But over time, I realized that the majority of posts on "my wall" were from the same people, about roughly the same topics. I had one coworker who posted pictures of dogs in shelters - she would post at least 10 a day - I ended up "unfriending" her just to stop the flow of sad pictures. Other themes include people posting pictures of their dinner (who cares?) or their fabulous vacation, or their new car - it seems like FB was just one big Bragathon. So I closed my account in 2014, and have not missed it. My wife still has hers, and she uses the marketplace to sell stuff we don't need.

I am pretty active on LinkedIn, but it also has its drawbacks. Some sneak in political posts, which flare up some heated opinions before the post is removed. Others "humbly" brag about their new jobs, or a recent accomplishment from their company. Many posts are from companies who have open positions they are looking to fill, which is a perfect fit for the venue.

The only other "social" forum I belong to is IAP. And, like Mark J., This is the one I spend most of my time on. I really enjoy the camaraderie, and all your willingness to tolerate my sometime questionable sense of humor. I am here to learn, and eventually I would like to be able to help others, but for now, I am mostly learning. Thank you all for that.

Kevin
 
I am like Kevin . . . IAP is my only "social" media forum . . . great bunch of people . . . great topics . . . good "clean" fun ! ! !

I was wary of FB right from the start and never got involved.
However, I have often been curious about their pen-turning forums . . sometimes feel I am missing something . . but not for long .
 
Thanks for all of the responses.
I was only interested in finding the places that had people with similar interests, nothing to do with communicating with family or friends. All of those people are pretty local, and we stay in contact through phone calls, visiting, and maybe a dinner out occasionally. There's nothing better than quality time with those close to you.

FB sounds like a horror show, and it's probably best that they disabled my account. It's just odd that they disabled it when I haven't even used it. I didn't really understand it, or what to do. Perhaps they expect people to engage immediately, as part of their experiments.
I've struggled with navigation on this web site, but I'm slowly learning it. I enjoy the diverse information that I've found. Reading one post seems to lead to another post, and so on. And during the post chasing, there is always something of interest, that might be completely off subject, but informative.
 
FB pages on vacations are invitations for burglars. A friend's daughter posted they were going to be gone for 10 days. Dad said, "Congratulations! You just told every burglar within 100 miles that the house is ripe foe robbing."
"Do not pick up the phone to talk any more." Texting has taken over. The wife and I were at one of the Japanese restaurants where you sit around a grill. A family of four sat across from us and never spoke a word. All four were busy texting during the entire time they were at the grill.
 
Thanks for all of the responses.
I was only interested in finding the places that had people with similar interests, nothing to do with communicating with family or friends. All of those people are pretty local, and we stay in contact through phone calls, visiting, and maybe a dinner out occasionally. There's nothing better than quality time with those close to you.

I have been a member of a woodworking site (started around a table saw) since its inception in 2002. It was a move over from a company regulated site. It is not large, flareups rarely occur, but we do occasionally push a button or two lightly and usually in jest (we are close), however language and emotions are monitored closely. Several on that forum have come to this forum when they started turning pens. The guys have a good bit of experience and come from a wide employment field.

I also joined a Scrollsaw forum about 5 or 6 years ago, but my interest in that goes and comes. Scrollsaw for me is more occasional utilitarian. The folks on that forum are very nice, men and women.

One other thing in common about that site AND THIS Site: People are willing to help. Rarely are there put downs such as "do a search". I am all for doing searches, but sites can be intimidating to new people. Being willing to answer the same question 100 or 1000 times shows an interest in the new guy, lady or whoever. It builds friendship. Sure, we could say "do a search" - and we would lose 8 or 9 of 10 that asked a question. A few other guys here give answers and also give links to prior answers. THAT is bringing people in.

"Do a search" says I don't care about you, I had to learn the hard way, so can you. It also says, come back when you know as much as we do. Do a search has sent more people packing and kept more people off of joining other forums.

Common interest forums could learn from this forum.
 
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I did quite a bit of scroll saw work about 20 years ago. I still have two scroll saws, but they sit idle these days.
I used to create my own patterns, after searching endlessly for particular subjects to no avail. That was the days of catalogs, as the internet was just becoming more common, and I didn't have a computer, let alone the internet. I still have some of the catalogs saved on my shelf.

Back then, is when I discovered Corian, and found that it scrolled nicely with some preparation. A wrap with packing tape, helped eliminate the welding back together. After scrolling many pieces of 1/2" Corian, I found a shop that had a huge stack of 1/4" cut offs. That became my go to for scrolling. I also learned that with a little heat, the Corian can be shaped, and bent. So after scrolling a design, I would then bend it to give it more dimension.
I did the 3D scrolling, inlays, intarsia, marquetry with the hot sand shading, and I even did a big mantle clock. I also did what I called window screens, and some ceiling fan blades.
 
I did quite a bit of scroll saw work about 20 years ago. I still have two scroll saws, but they sit idle these days.
I used to create my own patterns, after searching endlessly for particular subjects to no avail. That was the days of catalogs, as the internet was just becoming more common, and I didn't have a computer, let alone the internet. I still have some of the catalogs saved on my shelf.

Back then, is when I discovered Corian, and found that it scrolled nicely with some preparation. A wrap with packing tape, helped eliminate the welding back together. After scrolling many pieces of 1/2" Corian, I found a shop that had a huge stack of 1/4" cut offs. That became my go to for scrolling. I also learned that with a little heat, the Corian can be shaped, and bent. So after scrolling a design, I would then bend it to give it more dimension.
I did the 3D scrolling, inlays, intarsia, marquetry with the hot sand shading, and I even did a big mantle clock. I also did what I called window screens, and some ceiling fan blades.
Check out JohnT. (jttheclockman) He is a fantastic scroller.

I have done a few 3D but lost interest after doing a few. My daughter wants me to make more but I do prefer flat work in general. When I initially moved overseas (crowded Tokyo area) and had a very small shop, I did some scrolling and it satisfied my sawdust fix for a while. Then I moved and got a slightly larger shop and started my flatwork again.
 
I have a Facebook account but haven't used it for probably 15 years and I don't plan on ever using it again. Plus I can't stand to look at Mark Zuckerberg or know that I support anything he does. My wife did use it for her crafting stuff (not her choice) but I ignore it now as does she. I also don't use any other form of "Social Media". If you don't call me, or email me, we won't stay connected. I do have a website for my business but that's it.
 
I did quite a bit of scroll saw work about 20 years ago. I still have two scroll saws, but they sit idle these days.
I used to create my own patterns, after searching endlessly for particular subjects to no avail. That was the days of catalogs, as the internet was just becoming more common, and I didn't have a computer, let alone the internet. I still have some of the catalogs saved on my shelf.

Back then, is when I discovered Corian, and found that it scrolled nicely with some preparation. A wrap with packing tape, helped eliminate the welding back together. After scrolling many pieces of 1/2" Corian, I found a shop that had a huge stack of 1/4" cut offs. That became my go to for scrolling. I also learned that with a little heat, the Corian can be shaped, and bent. So after scrolling a design, I would then bend it to give it more dimension.
I did the 3D scrolling, inlays, intarsia, marquetry with the hot sand shading, and I even did a big mantle clock. I also did what I called window screens, and some ceiling fan blades.
Not sure what this response means but if you are looking for scrollsawing sites there are a few that are well run. Some of them have a FB page on there. I have been scrollsawing for well over 35 years.
 
Social media is tool and like other tools it can be good or dangerous and you have to know how to use it. I don't have an issue with FB and find FB Marketplace a great place to buy and sell. I also think Instagram is fantastic for new ideas and inspiration. Social media is what you make of it and how you use it.
 
I was wary of FB right from the start and never got involved.

This is how my dad was. Extremely wary, never wanted an account. He doesn't have a single social media account of any kind. In the "deep" past (in digital terms, before 2010 :P) I used to try and get him onto some of them, like FB in the early days... Today, I envy him for his prescience... He knew what it was from the beginning, and was always telling me that what we all see it as today as the endemic problems with social media, was what he saw 15 years ago.
 
Social media is tool and like other tools it can be good or dangerous and you have to know how to use it. I don't have an issue with FB and find FB Marketplace a great place to buy and sell. I also think Instagram is fantastic for new ideas and inspiration. Social media is what you make of it and how you use it.
Truer words were never spoken. Well said and is true. How you use it and if you let it overcome you. If you have to walk around for the rest of your life with your head down looking at a phone then your life went off the rails somewhere. It won't be long before we see all people walking around with computer glasses. I know they are available but just a matter of time.
 
Things are taken out of context. A friend killed an iguana…. I replied… I want them dead. I want their house burned to ground. That line is from the Untouchables. I got banned for 24 hours and was told that Hate is not acceptable on Facebook. I use FB to joke around and not get serious. Also cautious what is displayed or said.
 
Not sure what this response means but if you are looking for scrollsawing sites there are a few that are well run. Some of them have a FB page on there. I have been scrollsawing for well over 35 years.
It was a response to the post above mine from leehljp

"I also joined a Scrollsaw forum about 5 or 6 years ago, but my interest in that goes and comes. Scrollsaw for me is more occasional utilitarian. The folks on that forum are very nice, men and women".

I'm not interested much in scroll sawing any longer. I've moved past that, and do other things now.
I hoped to make more pens, but I stay pretty busy. Haven't made time to try another one.
I'm working on finishing a sign right now, but my paint skills are about as good as my pen and photography skills. :(
 
Social media is tool and like other tools it can be good or dangerous and you have to know how to use it. I don't have an issue with FB and find FB Marketplace a great place to buy and sell. I also think Instagram is fantastic for new ideas and inspiration. Social media is what you make of it and how you use it.
It would be good if that were totally true. It can be used that way, but that is fairly naive if that is the only way they are seen and used. Social Media was not created as a tool. It was created to make money and then an additional purpose was subsequently built into it - power. Once the "where when and how" of the power was discovered and the algorithms developed to manipulate it to the owners choosing, you suddenly became the product of that tool. Some people don't mind and some do.

To use it as a tool is OK. But to think of it in that way only is not the reality. Care must be taken. Cars are tools but not all people know how to handle them properly and when used improperly innocent people suffer. That is why cars are regulated as to who can use them and how they can use them and where they can be used. Social media is free for now but it is dangerous to the uninitiated.
 
It was a response to the post above mine from leehljp

"I also joined a Scrollsaw forum about 5 or 6 years ago, but my interest in that goes and comes. Scrollsaw for me is more occasional utilitarian. The folks on that forum are very nice, men and women".

I'm not interested much in scroll sawing any longer. I've moved past that, and do other things now.
I hoped to make more pens, but I stay pretty busy. Haven't made time to try another one.
I'm working on finishing a sign right now, but my paint skills are about as good as my pen and photography skills. :(
Good luck whatever path you take.
 
It would be good if that were totally true. It can be used that way, but that is fairly naive if that is the only way they are seen and used. Social Media was not created as a tool. It was created to make money and then an additional purpose was subsequently built into it - power. Once the "where when and how" of the power was discovered and the algorithms developed to manipulate it to the owners choosing, you suddenly became the product of that tool. Some people don't mind and some do.

To use it as a tool is OK. But to think of it in that way only is not the reality. Care must be taken. Cars are tools but not all people know how to handle them properly and when used improperly innocent people suffer. That is why cars are regulated as to who can use them and how they can use them and where they can be used. Social media is free for now but it is dangerous to the uninitiated.
I agree with you on almost everything you said.

We are the commodity almost every time we sign up for something and it's not just limited to social media. I believe the danger is not understanding what you are giving up and to who. I have used variations of my real name when I have signed up for things and I am always amazed when I get snail mail or email with one of those names. Most unrelated to what I had originally used it for.
 
I agree with you on almost everything you said.

We are the commodity almost every time we sign up for something and it's not just limited to social media. I believe the danger is not understanding what you are giving up and to who. I have used variations of my real name when I have signed up for things and I am always amazed when I get snail mail or email with one of those names. Most unrelated to what I had originally used it for.

Yeah. We ARE the target of monstrous data mining endeavors these days. We are one of the greatest commodities on earth now...all the DATA we produce, which can be mined for knowledge about us, our habits, likes, wants, needs, loves, etc...

IMO, its just downright disgusting what people are doing with all the data detritus we leave everywhere we go now. That is one of the main reasons I unplugged. I don't like being tracked like that. Thing is, I know that these algorithms, now turning into AIs, and the companies behind them, probably know more about myself than I ever have, and even though I try to ghost myself these days...they always will.

It always annoys me now (the astonishment wore off years ago) when I get targeted advertisements (and I don't even know how, I disable ALL the things they use to target) when I'm on my computer, using different accounts than I use on my phone, that are related to things I was looking at on my phone.

The thing that truly blew me away recently, though...was when I forgot my phone at home, and was browsing around the local Woodcraft. I started looking at some new things I'd never looked at before (like T-Track, and the various gadgets you can use with T-Track), and I bought a couple of those things. Again, no phone. Never searched these things before, just on a whim I started looking at them in the store, had an idea for a project, and bought what I needed.

Within a day, I was getting targeted advertising on various platforms for exactly those things, and related items. Now what the heck are these data mining companies, Big Tech, doing to figure out what I bought in a store without a phone on me, and link it to the online identity they've compiled on me and squirreled away in some data center somewhere... And do it within a day (at most, probably not even.) Maybe its just me, but I find that so invasive and wrong. :mad:
 
Social media is tool and like other tools it can be good or dangerous and you have to know how to use it.
Interesting because I have/had a current issue that began escalating into something it should not have but the poster has serious obvious issues. For now I'm talking about worrying who's behind me in public with a Louisville Slugger. My immediate goals are always to de-escalate, apologize for any misunderstandings and simmer down. (That works in marriage) but this guys a wack job. I poked a bear...all is quiet for now. It does not take much to offend the wrong person. I'm rethinking any Social Media... I joke around on my on FB page and watch the line. As for any other websites (other than here) I wonder what I'm doing there and time to back off.
The situation began over a potential purchase. The item was substantially expensive... I ask about deposit and paying the balance. I did not like the terms( not worth explaining) and politely passed. Instead of him saying thanks for your interest...if you change you mind..whatever whatever....he got arrogant, cocky and showed his bad side. Glad it happened immediately. Glad I pulled back but this guy is a monster flaming/slandering, me on a public website and threatening text's but I like the fact he is showing his hand on the that forum.... He blew off a lot of potential business.
 
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Interesting because I have/had a current issue that began escalating into something it should not have but the poster has serious obvious issues. For now I'm talking about worrying who's behind me in public. My immediate goals are always to de-escalate, apologize for any misunderstandings and simmer down. (That works in marriage) but this guys a wack job. I poked a bear...all is quiet for now. It does not take much to offend the wrong person. I'm rethinking any Social Media... I joke around on my on FB page and watch the line. As for any other websites (other than here) I wonder what I'm doing there and time to back off.
Very easy to shut down and be done away with them and that is do not respond and all is done. It only festers when there are at least 2 partys.
 
Very easy to shut down and be done away with them and that is do not respond and all is done. It only festers when there are at least 2 partys.



I try to abide by this... It keeps me out of trouble repeated. It's the most sensible thing ever put into the thought process...

The Value Of Simply Walking Away....



We seemed to have a number of recent threads and stories with a somewhat common theme. Someone gets slighted or bothered in public by another person and they feel the need to do or say something about it. From something overt like cutting in line at a Black Friday sale to just walking behind someone. Even playing music at a gas station. In each instance the person who got bothered or uncomfortable either felt like doing and saying something, or actually went ahead in did it. In one case, telling some kids to turn their music down ended in a shooting.

I think some of us are losing sight of the value of just walking away. There are two aspects to this. The tactical advisability of confrontation, and whether it's "right".

The tactical standpoint should be pretty straightforward. When you confront someone, you are introducing a possible flash point to an already unstable situation. You never know if those kids in the car, that obnoxious guy at the bar, those guys on the trail are violent felons, off duty cops, drug addicts, or just normal people who might act out when scared. Confrontation breeds confrontations. The "alpha male" aspect of someone's mind might act up and that guy you're just telling to back off cause he almost spilled your drink might just feel the need to punch you in the face because he's drunk and needs to feel like he's in charge. In the case of the line cutting last week, the line cutter actually did turn around and punch a guy. And then a weapon was produced and what could have been 2 minutes of a man just feeling pissed off turned into an entire self-defense legal ordeal. Over feeling offended.

The bottom line is, unless someone is directly threatening you, another person, or your property, just swallowing your anger and indignation and walking away is the best option in probably 99%+ cases.


The second aspect is whether or not it's "right". As in, do you actually have the right to ask something, or worse, try to "tell them". In some cases yes, in other cases no. Don't forget, you DO NOT have the right not to be offended. When you leave your property and enter the public, you become equal to every other citizen out there. Your desires, feelings, likes and dislikes, sense of honor, etc all are exactly equal to someone else's. If they make you uncomfortable...so what. They have the right to do so. If some stranger is doing something completely legal, non-threatening, and non-destructive; I'm sorry but you just don't really have the right to approach them and try to push your standard of behavior on them. You feel music should be listened to at one volume, they feel it should be at another. Who's right? In public, you both are. As long as it's legal. If I walk somewhere and you feel I'm "too close" or being behind you makes your comfortable...sorry but I have the right to walk where I want in public. Just like you do.

What can you do when someone does something in public you just don't like? Maybe he's standing too close, or listening to loud music, or he just looks funny. How about go somewhere else? That's usually the best bet. If you can't or don't want to do that, your only other option is to ask. And that means explicitly putting it in the form of a yes/no question. Meaning they do indeed have the right to tell you "no".

"Hey buddy, could you be so kind as to stand a little bit farther away?"
"Sure man" OR "No, I don't feel like it"

He has the the right to do what he wants in public. You may not like it, but he still does. Part of being an adult in public means learning to accept that there are times when other people enjoying their rights might make you feel uncomfortable. Just as your rights might make them uncomfortable. Your standard of behavior, your idea of "this is how people should act" can NOT be enforced on others.


If you try to "tell" them, it can end far far worse.

"Hey buddy, back off. You're standing too close"
"Make me"

Now what? How exactly do you enforce that? Push him? Punch him? Put your hand on your gun and say "you know, doing something like that is a good way to get a gun pulled on you"
Congratulations, you've now just lost all moral high ground and committed a crime. Now in addition to earning some very appropriate legal consequences for assaulting another citizen because "you felt uncomfortable", you now have the very real possibility he might respond to your force with force of his own. Now what?


How about instead of all of that, you pick up your drink, or get in your car, or sling your backpack...and just walk away. Your feelings are not worth getting hurt or hurting someone else over. Ever.
 
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