Reality....

[bkersten]

My grade 3 teacher lined up all the boys in the class each morning and gave each of us one whack with the razor strap on each hand before class started.
That was reality!!
And yes, she used red ink.

Les

My 6th grade teacher had a substitue for one day. The lady came in and
said I'm going to pick 3 students and I want you to use the word "evidently" in a sentence. She walked to the first student and slapped his hands into the desk - who then said evidently you are our new teacher for the day. The next student in the center of the room got slapped out of his desk to the floor- who then said evidently you want us to behave:frown:. The last one got slapped in the back of the head which drove his nose into his dest -who then said, may I ask a question first? Yes you may she said. He said are farts lumpy teacher?. No, and why would you ask that she said. Well, he said, evidently you just slapped the crap out of me:crying:.

Why do the teachers pick us guys to do all these harsh things to. Must be that stereotyping thing, and no, I wasn't one of the three

 

[tbroye]

It's all Greek to me. Time to go out to shop and make a pen with Granddaughter. Coffee ain't cutting it this morning, will come back this evening after some Merlot and see how my reality is. Reality is my Dewalt 717 Miter saw will be delivered today. My neighbor is the UPS driver for this route.

 

[monark88]

Although interesting thread, to a degree, I was going to stay out of this one, but at least had to give you kudos on your posting. Good for you.

Russ

Merriam Webster:


re·al·i·ty

noun \rē-ˈa-lə-tē\ : the true situation that exists : the real situation
: something that actually exists or happens : a real event, occurrence, situation, etc.


plural re·al·i·ties


Full Definition of REALITY

1
: the quality or state of being real

2
a (1) : a real event, entity, or state of affairs <his dream became a reality> (2) : the totality of real things and events <trying to escape from reality>
b : something that is neither derivative nor dependent but exists necessarily

3
: television programming that features videos of actual occurrences (as a police chase, stunt, or natural disaster) —often used attributively <reality TV>
— in reality : in actual fact


Examples of REALITY

1. the difference between fiction and reality
2. The reality is that we can't afford to buy a house.
3. He used television as an escape from reality.
4. They made the plan a reality

****************

ad hoc

adverb \ˈad-ˈhäk, -ˈhōk; ˈäd-ˈhōk\



Definition of AD HOC

: for the particular end or case at hand without consideration of wider application

Origin of AD HOC

Latin, for thisFirst Known Use: 1659




2ad hoc

adjective : formed or used for a special purpose
: made or done without planning because of an immediate need


Full Definition of AD HOC

1
a : concerned with a particular end or purpose <an ad hoc investigating committee>
b : formed or used for specific or immediate problems or needs <ad hoc solutions>

2
: fashioned from whatever is immediately available : improvised <large ad hoc parades and demonstrations — Nat Hentoff>



Examples of AD HOC

1. The mayor appointed an ad hoc committee to study the project.
2. We had to make some ad hoc changes to the plans.
3. We'll hire more staff on an ad hoc basis.

 

[Smitty37]

Reality The Cowboy are not going to the playoffs

I think most of us didn't expect them too, they aren't very good this year.

 

[Smitty37]

Fun little argument.

Rene Descartes summed this up by saying "Cogito ergo sum" - all we can know is that we are aware of our own thoughts - all else is clouded by `interpretation`of the senses.

Have you ever heard of a mirage? Have you been fooled by an illusion? If the eyes can be deceived sometimes, how can we know when to trust them - the same with all the senses.

When I see 'blue' - how do I know that you're seeing that same 'blue' - the colour of the item is actually every colour except blue, as it absorbs all those colours and reflects the blue to our eyes...but what if there's a function of the brain where each person sees 'blue' differently - deep within, in a yet undiscovered process, the brain may process my blue into what is 'red' to you.

Whether or not we agree on what is real - the way we are built means that we all have no choice but to interpret what is real - so it's best to think of reality as 'perception' - as we all have to interpret what our fallible senses show us.

Did you know that by probing a certain area of the brain, a neurologist could make me smell burned toast or move my hand. How do I know I'm not just a brain in a jar of formaldehyde, hooked up by electrodes to a supercomputer, which is manipulating "EVERYTHING"? Therefore, all this 'perception of reality' is just an illusion - we only know that we can try to perceive reality - all the rest is a guess!

All of our senses have a delay - it takes time to get a sound wave, or a ray of light from a distant star - therefore, we're not perceiving reality, but rather a vision of the past. Our 'present' is a fabrication - we're constantly trying to view items which are in constant flux. "One cannot step in the same river twice"

True Reality cannot be perceived by our fallible senses - we can only interpret the clues we get, and compare them with the Platonic Forms (I'm a fan of Greek philosophy), and thereby come up with our own perception of reality.

cop out Andrew...reality exists regradless of how we perceive. Reality is that some of us may see things differently than others see them. However that does not change the way the thing we are looking at really is.

Perception is not a synonym for reality.

 

[Smitty37]

Merriam Webster:


re·al·i·ty

noun \rē-ˈa-lə-tē\ : the true situation that exists : the real situation
: something that actually exists or happens : a real event, occurrence, situation, etc.


plural re·al·i·ties


Full Definition of REALITY

1
: the quality or state of being real

2
a (1) : a real event, entity, or state of affairs <his dream became a reality> (2) : the totality of real things and events <trying to escape from reality>
b : something that is neither derivative nor dependent but exists necessarily

3
: television programming that features videos of actual occurrences (as a police chase, stunt, or natural disaster) —often used attributively <reality TV>
— in reality : in actual fact


Examples of REALITY

1. the difference between fiction and reality
2. The reality is that we can't afford to buy a house.
3. He used television as an escape from reality.
4. They made the plan a reality

****************

ad hoc

adverb \ˈad-ˈhäk, -ˈhōk; ˈäd-ˈhōk\



Definition of AD HOC

: for the particular end or case at hand without consideration of wider application

Origin of AD HOC

Latin, for thisFirst Known Use: 1659




2ad hoc

adjective : formed or used for a special purpose
: made or done without planning because of an immediate need


Full Definition of AD HOC

1
a : concerned with a particular end or purpose <an ad hoc investigating committee>
b : formed or used for specific or immediate problems or needs <ad hoc solutions>

2
: fashioned from whatever is immediately available : improvised <large ad hoc parades and demonstrations — Nat Hentoff>



Examples of AD HOC

1. The mayor appointed an ad hoc committee to study the project.
2. We had to make some ad hoc changes to the plans.
3. We'll hire more staff on an ad hoc basis.

I agree whole heartedly, and those definitions confirm exactly what I have been saying they mean.

My original (in the other thread) statement about ad hoc referred to when I used it as an adverb - the verb was observation.

Reality is a noun. And the definition supports what I have been saying that what is real is what it is regardless of our perception....Perception by the way is a verb. We dp not have to see something for it to be real...if we did there would be a lot of physics concerning atomic and subatomic particals that would be out the window.

 

[Smitty37]

Well, I strongly support the right and freedom to speak freely and express my thoughts without being concerned about censuring and/or reprisals. Is also my strong believe that, this is a place where we are given simple rules when it comes to participation and mutual respect, ...

I didn't think anyone challonged your right to speaking your mind or the use of this forum.

 

[tbroye]

I reject your reality and substitute my own:biggrin:

 

[maxwell_smart007]

Fun little argument.

Rene Descartes summed this up by saying "Cogito ergo sum" - all we can know is that we are aware of our own thoughts - all else is clouded by `interpretation`of the senses.

Have you ever heard of a mirage? Have you been fooled by an illusion? If the eyes can be deceived sometimes, how can we know when to trust them - the same with all the senses.

When I see 'blue' - how do I know that you're seeing that same 'blue' - the colour of the item is actually every colour except blue, as it absorbs all those colours and reflects the blue to our eyes...but what if there's a function of the brain where each person sees 'blue' differently - deep within, in a yet undiscovered process, the brain may process my blue into what is 'red' to you.

Whether or not we agree on what is real - the way we are built means that we all have no choice but to interpret what is real - so it's best to think of reality as 'perception' - as we all have to interpret what our fallible senses show us.

Did you know that by probing a certain area of the brain, a neurologist could make me smell burned toast or move my hand. How do I know I'm not just a brain in a jar of formaldehyde, hooked up by electrodes to a supercomputer, which is manipulating "EVERYTHING"? Therefore, all this 'perception of reality' is just an illusion - we only know that we can try to perceive reality - all the rest is a guess!

All of our senses have a delay - it takes time to get a sound wave, or a ray of light from a distant star - therefore, we're not perceiving reality, but rather a vision of the past. Our 'present' is a fabrication - we're constantly trying to view items which are in constant flux. "One cannot step in the same river twice"

True Reality cannot be perceived by our fallible senses - we can only interpret the clues we get, and compare them with the Platonic Forms (I'm a fan of Greek philosophy), and thereby come up with our own perception of reality.

cop out Andrew...reality exists regradless of how we perceive. Reality is that some of us may see things differently than others see them. However that does not change the way the thing we are looking at really is.

Perception is not a synonym for reality.

Not a cop out at all - if you want to debate philosophy, you have to start at square one, not jump into the middle! My philosophy profs would be livid if we didn't break the argument down to it's logos first.

i.e. How on earth can we know true 'reality', outside of our perceptions? Impossible...
Therefore, the only thing we can know is that we exist, via the fact that we are are thinking and pondering about the world...
Cogito, ergo sum. I think, therefore I exist.

 

[sbwertz]

I agree whole heartedly, and those definitions confirm exactly what I have been saying they mean.

My original (in the other thread) statement about ad hoc referred to when I used it as an adverb - the verb was observation.

Reality is a noun. And the definition supports what I have been saying that what is real is what it is regardless of our perception....Perception by the way is a verb. We dp not have to see something for it to be real...if we did there would be a lot of physics concerning atomic and subatomic particals that would be out the window.

Sorry, Smitty, Perception is a noun. Perceive is a verb.

 

[Smitty37]

I reject your reality and substitute my own:biggrin:

Sorry there is only one and you must share it.:biggrin:

 

[JP61]

Is reality really real or merely a really real perception of reality? It all depends on what the meaning of is, is.

 

[Smitty37]

Fun little argument.

Rene Descartes summed this up by saying "Cogito ergo sum" - all we can know is that we are aware of our own thoughts - all else is clouded by `interpretation`of the senses.

Have you ever heard of a mirage? Have you been fooled by an illusion? If the eyes can be deceived sometimes, how can we know when to trust them - the same with all the senses.

When I see 'blue' - how do I know that you're seeing that same 'blue' - the colour of the item is actually every colour except blue, as it absorbs all those colours and reflects the blue to our eyes...but what if there's a function of the brain where each person sees 'blue' differently - deep within, in a yet undiscovered process, the brain may process my blue into what is 'red' to you.

Whether or not we agree on what is real - the way we are built means that we all have no choice but to interpret what is real - so it's best to think of reality as 'perception' - as we all have to interpret what our fallible senses show us.

Did you know that by probing a certain area of the brain, a neurologist could make me smell burned toast or move my hand. How do I know I'm not just a brain in a jar of formaldehyde, hooked up by electrodes to a supercomputer, which is manipulating "EVERYTHING"? Therefore, all this 'perception of reality' is just an illusion - we only know that we can try to perceive reality - all the rest is a guess!

All of our senses have a delay - it takes time to get a sound wave, or a ray of light from a distant star - therefore, we're not perceiving reality, but rather a vision of the past. Our 'present' is a fabrication - we're constantly trying to view items which are in constant flux. "One cannot step in the same river twice"

True Reality cannot be perceived by our fallible senses - we can only interpret the clues we get, and compare them with the Platonic Forms (I'm a fan of Greek philosophy), and thereby come up with our own perception of reality.

cop out Andrew...reality exists regradless of how we perceive. Reality is that some of us may see things differently than others see them. However that does not change the way the thing we are looking at really is.

Perception is not a synonym for reality.

Not a cop out at all - if you want to debate philosophy, you have to start at square one, not jump into the middle! My philosophy profs would be livid if we didn't break the argument down to it's logos first.

i.e. How on earth can we know true 'reality', outside of our perceptions? Impossible...
Therefore, the only thing we can know is that we exist, via the fact that we are are thinking and pondering about the world...
Cogito, ergo sum. I think, therefore I exist.

I'm not debating philosophy Andrew - I am talking about about definitions.

In philosophy certain debates are endless, this could be one of them. Philosophy professors roll out the same examples for philosophy 101 students, year after year and they never get resolved because resolution does not exist.

 

[maxwell_smart007]

I'm not debating philosophy Andrew - I am talking about about definitions.

By the same token:
Asking people to define 'reality', and then saying you don't want to discuss 'philosophy' turns this thread into an endless debate, Smitty!

 

[maxwell_smart007]

In philosophy certain debates are endless, this could be one of them. Philosophy professors roll out the same examples for philosophy 101 students, year after year and they never get resolved because resolution does not exist.

Philosophy isn't just about solving problems - it's about thinking about how the world works, and trying to change your rigid ways of thinking.

 

[Smitty37]

Is reality really real or merely a really real perception of reality. It all depends on what the meaning of is, is.

is
iz/

• 1.
  third person singular present of be.
  
  
  
  

Definition of IS

present 3d singular of be


dialect present 1st & 2d singular of be


dialect present plural of be


There are a couple of them. Really pretty simple. I would also include that writing gobble-df-gook does not affect reality.:biggrin::biggrin:



​

 

[Smitty37]

In philosophy certain debates are endless, this could be one of them. Philosophy professors roll out the same examples for philosophy 101 students, year after year and they never get resolved because resolution does not exist.

Philosophy isn't just about solving problems - it's about thinking about how the world works, and trying to change your rigid ways of thinking.

I'm not going to enter a debate about what philosophy is either.

 

[Smitty37]

I'm not debating philosophy Andrew - I am talking about about definitions.

By the same token:
Asking people to define 'reality', and then saying you don't want to discuss 'philosophy' turns this thread into an endless debate, Smitty!

I am not asking people to define reality I am asking them to use the word as it is defined already - see the definition in Sharon's post and note there is nothing in the definition suggesting 'perception' is part of reality.

 

[JP61]

For homo sapiens, without perception nothing exists.

 

[rd_ab_penman]

I agree whole heartedly, and those definitions confirm exactly what I have been saying they mean.

My original (in the other thread) statement about ad hoc referred to when I used it as an adverb - the verb was observation.

Reality is a noun. And the definition supports what I have been saying that what is real is what it is regardless of our perception....Perception by the way is a verb. We dp not have to see something for it to be real...if we did there would be a lot of physics concerning atomic and subatomic particals that would be out the window.

Sorry, Smitty, Perception is a noun. Perceive is a verb.

And the teacher used Red Ink too!

 

[Krudwig]

Does the tree falling in the woods make a sound if nobody is there to here it? Philosophy debates questions such as this to cause people to think about things in a different way. Philosophy causes one to defend a persons already assumed conclusions about things, and challenges all a person has been taught about our world. Philosophy is literally " love of wisdom" philosophers challenge conventional wisdom to explain the perceptions of reality. A person engaged in a debate with a philosopher over the broad issue of reality has no hope of ever making headway on defining reality as that which is real. I believe that we live in a world that is full of realities that effects everybody regardless of their perspectives, positions or world views. Up is up , down is down , light is light, dark is dark, and nothing you or I do alters these realities. We may perceive reality differently , like the way a deaf person perceives music will be different than the way non deaf people experiences it but the way we experience it doesn't alter the music itself. We all may experience realities differently but it doesn't alter the constant realities of the natural world we live in . A postmodern society demands that the constants of life are not explainable by anything higher than one's on experiences and thus truth is relevant only to one individual and is a personal truth that only he or she can know because it is tied to their on personal, collective knowledge and experiences. When people say that perception is reality it's all a part of this philosophy which denies any absolute truth claiming there is no absolute truths and a person can only know what is true for them. Now after reading the thread on "forum decorum" I hope that I've met that criteria. You may not agree with this as I disagree with the concepts that perception is reality. I don't demand that anybody conform to this belief as I will not feel compelled to accept others views although I'm open to view others opinions.

 

[Smitty37]

For homo sapiens, without perception nothing exists.

My perception of that statement is that it is Wrong.

 

[Smitty37]

I agree whole heartedly, and those definitions confirm exactly what I have been saying they mean.

My original (in the other thread) statement about ad hoc referred to when I used it as an adverb - the verb was observation.

Reality is a noun. And the definition supports what I have been saying that what is real is what it is regardless of our perception....Perception by the way is a verb. We dp not have to see something for it to be real...if we did there would be a lot of physics concerning atomic and subatomic particals that would be out the window.

Sorry, Smitty, Perception is a noun. Perceive is a verb.

And the teacher used Red Ink too!

You are right. That doesn't change anything though.

 

[Smitty37]

Does the tree falling in the woods make a sound if nobody is there to here it? Philosophy debates questions such as this to cause people to think about things in a different way. Philosophy causes one to defend a persons already assumed conclusions about things, and challenges all a person has been taught about our world. Philosophy is literally " love of wisdom" philosophers challenge conventional wisdom to explain the perceptions of reality. A person engaged in a debate with a philosopher over the broad issue of reality has no hope of ever making headway on defining reality as that which is real. I believe that we live in a world that is full of realities that effects everybody regardless of their perspectives, positions or world views. Up is up , down is down , light is light, dark is dark, and nothing you or I do alters these realities. We may perceive reality differently , like the way a deaf person perceives music will be different than the way non deaf people experiences it but the way we experience it doesn't alter the music itself. We all may experience realities differently but it doesn't alter the constant realities of the natural world we live in . A postmodern society demands that the constants of life are not explainable by anything higher than one's on experiences and thus truth is relevant only to one individual and is a personal truth that only he or she can know because it is tied to their on personal, collective knowledge and experiences. When people say that perception is reality it's all a part of this philosophy which denies any absolute truth claiming there is no absolute truths and a person can only know what is true for them. Now after reading the thread on "forum decorum" I hope that I've met that criteria. You may not agree with this as I disagree with the concepts that perception is reality. I don't demand that anybody conform to this belief as I will not feel compelled to accept others views although I'm open to view others opinions.

That's why I won't discuss the philosophyl Much of philosophy seems to me to be a circular argument designed to prove that you can't prove anything.

 

[maxwell_smart007]

Is there a point to your inquiry, then, or is this just an excuse to argue? I honestly don't understand what you're driving toward...

 

[Ambidex]

I think all opinions are a detriment to reality..especially mine!:biggrin: got to admit,an interesting thread to say the least

 

[JP61]

For homo sapiens, without perception nothing exists.

My perception of that statement is that it is Wrong.

In order to have a concept of reality, one must be able to perceive it.

zero input = zero output


:biggrin: btw, in post #52 I was just joking.

 

[Smitty37]

Is there a point to your inquiry, then, or is this just an excuse to argue? I honestly don't understand what you're driving toward...

I was asking a simple question of "when did the common use of "personal reality' start. I was looking for a time frame. It seems to me to be fairly recent, the other question "what does it (personal reality) mean" is a rhetorical question.

 

[mark james]

Beating a dead dog!!! Move on people.

 

[JP61]

Beating a dead dog!!! Move on people.

If you're going to type, why not post your views on the topic? If it bothers you that people are having a discussion, maybe you should move on so it has no effect on your reality.

 

[Brian G]

I was asking a simple question of "when did the common use of "personal reality' start. I was looking for a time frame. It seems to me to be fairly recent, the other question "what does it (personal reality) mean" is a rhetorical question.

In the context of this thread, it started right here: http://www.penturners.org/forum/f18/teacher-not-allowed-use-red-ink-117762/#post1610457 that was first use of "personal reality."

"Observation" is a noun, not a verb.

 

[robutacion]

Is there a point to your inquiry, then, or is this just an excuse to argue? I honestly don't understand what you're driving toward...

Hahahahah, that's an interesting question...!:biggrin:

It may be that, our friend Smithy wanted to know how many "fence posts" he had around him, after all, the bite was set and lots of us, when for it so, kit worked...!

I wonder what some of the qualified philosophers, psychologists, psychiatrists and experts of the "mind" that are present among us as members, is thinking about this thread...???

Is a very good chance that they will be laughing and enjoying all the "bull" spread around in fair doses, and thinking, what a bunch of "!d!ot$"...!:biggrin:

You know, regardless if right or wrong, many "conversations" start from nothing and extensively discussed and all about nothing, call it a "rant", a distress action, blowing some smoke, get it out of our chests or any other hundred excuses they may be, in the end, its OK, no one get hurt and we all relaxed a little but deciding to participate or simply read, as it goes.

Whatever, the enjoyment it is/was for you, I believe Smithy would not appreciate to be ignored and left talk to himself, you can't blame anyone else but yourself to decide to participate or follow up, why did/do we do it...??? I let the mind/brain experts to explain it as I, do not have the answer...!

As for wasting time...! really...??? given the choice, I prefer to spend 1 hour reading, typing here about whatever than, spend 1 minute in hospital, in bed sick or in pain, I don't know about you but, I'm fine with it, I still have plenty of time left to work in the shed and do any of the jobs that need to be done in or around the house, 24 hours in a day, is a lot of hours, used as required...!:wink:

After all, who would be there to entertain you lot...???

Cheers
George

 

[Smitty37]

I was asking a simple question of "when did the common use of "personal reality' start. I was looking for a time frame. It seems to me to be fairly recent, the other question "what does it (personal reality) mean" is a rhetorical question.

In the context of this thread, it started right here: http://www.penturners.org/forum/f18/teacher-not-allowed-use-red-ink-117762/#post1610457 that was first use of "personal reality."

"Observation" is a noun, not a verb.

Yes it is, to observe is a verb but the observation is a noun. That, however, makes no difference to the point. A personal observation of the nature described is in fact ad hoc.

I wasn't asking where it was first used in another thread...at least that isn't what I was intending to ask. It seems to be getting fairly common use now I was more thinking about how long thats been going on.

 

[JP61]

Is there a point to your inquiry, then, or is this just an excuse to argue? I honestly don't understand what you're driving toward...

Hahahahah, that's an interesting question...!:biggrin:

It may be that, our friend Smithy wanted to know how many "fence posts" he had around him, after all, the bite was set and lots of us, when for it so, kit worked...!

I wonder what some of the qualified philosophers, psychologists, psychiatrists and experts of the "mind" that are present among us as members, is thinking about this thread...???

Is a very good chance that they will be laughing and enjoying all the "bull" spread around in fair doses, and thinking, what a bunch of "!d!ot$"...!:biggrin:

You know, regardless if right or wrong, many "conversations" start from nothing and extensively discussed and all about nothing, call it a "rant", a distress action, blowing some smoke, get it out of our chests or any other hundred excuses they may be, in the end, its OK, no one get hurt and we all relaxed a little but deciding to participate or simply read, as it goes.

Whatever, the enjoyment it was for you, I believe Smithy would not appreciate to be ignored and left talk to himself, you can't blame anyone else but yourself to decide to participate or follow up, why did/do we do it...??? I let the mind/brain experts to explain it as I, do not have the answer...!

As for wasting time...! really...??? given the choice, I prefer to spend 1 hour reading, typing here about whatever than, spend 1 minute in hospital, in bed sick or in pain, I don't know about you but, I'm fine with it, I still have plenty of time left to work in the shed and do any of the jobs that need to be done in or around the house, 24 hours in a day, is a lot of hours, used as required...!:wink:

After all, who would be there to entertain you lot...???

Cheers
George

I doubt if any of them would think that and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't call us a bunch of idiots.

 

[Smitty37]

For homo sapiens, without perception nothing exists.

My perception of that statement is that it is Wrong.

In order to have a concept of reality, one must be able to perceive it.

zero input = zero output


:biggrin: btw, in post #52 I was just joking.

I'm not going to debate that. By definition, what is real is real, whether or not we even exist or whether everything exists only in our own minds.

 

[Brian G]

Yes it is, to observe is a verb but the observation is a noun. That, however, makes no difference to the point. A personal observation of the nature described is in fact ad hoc.

In that thread, you stated, "personal reality exactly fits the definition of ad hoc when used as an adverb i.e. ad hoc observation. "

You misused the term "ad hoc" and then ridiculed me as being someone that should know what it means as a grader of college level material. I know what it means and how to use it correctly, whether as adverb or adjective.

It is not, "in fact" ad hoc. You can infer that it was, based only on what I typed in these two threads, but only I have all of the specific facts that led to my decision. As I stated, the action was pre-planned, and for a wider application for me. That doesn't fit the definition of "ad hoc."

 

[robutacion]

Is there a point to your inquiry, then, or is this just an excuse to argue? I honestly don't understand what you're driving toward...

Hahahahah, that's an interesting question...!:biggrin:

It may be that, our friend Smithy wanted to know how many "fence posts" he had around him, after all, the bite was set and lots of us, when for it so, kit worked...!

I wonder what some of the qualified philosophers, psychologists, psychiatrists and experts of the "mind" that are present among us as members, is thinking about this thread...???

Is a very good chance that they will be laughing and enjoying all the "bull" spread around in fair doses, and thinking, what a bunch of "!d!ot$"...!:biggrin:

You know, regardless if right or wrong, many "conversations" start from nothing and extensively discussed and all about nothing, call it a "rant", a distress action, blowing some smoke, get it out of our chests or any other hundred excuses they may be, in the end, its OK, no one get hurt and we all relaxed a little but deciding to participate or simply read, as it goes.

Whatever, the enjoyment it was for you, I believe Smithy would not appreciate to be ignored and left talk to himself, you can't blame anyone else but yourself to decide to participate or follow up, why did/do we do it...??? I let the mind/brain experts to explain it as I, do not have the answer...!

As for wasting time...! really...??? given the choice, I prefer to spend 1 hour reading, typing here about whatever than, spend 1 minute in hospital, in bed sick or in pain, I don't know about you but, I'm fine with it, I still have plenty of time left to work in the shed and do any of the jobs that need to be done in or around the house, 24 hours in a day, is a lot of hours, used as required...!:wink:

After all, who would be there to entertain you lot...???

Cheers
George

I doubt if any of them would think that and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't call us a bunch of idiots.

Fair enough however, I'm included in that group and I did not "tag" any of us with any names, I did however say that, "Is a very good chance that...!", I was speculating, assuming some of the possibilities, after all I asked an indirect question, I was in fact curious to what those with the qualifications in the mind issues, do interpret threads/comments like these...!

I can understand how easy is for one to assume I was calling anyone an idiot, something that we humans, have a fair share of it so, if anyone think that I'm an idiot because I keep "biting", that doesn't bother me, and I have been called a lot worse than that, nor it changes it the "REALITY", and here we go again, in that vicious circle routine...!:wink::biggrin:

Very interesting, huh...???:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Cheers
George

 

[JP61]

For homo sapiens, without perception nothing exists.

My perception of that statement is that it is Wrong.

In order to have a concept of reality, one must be able to perceive it.

zero input = zero output


:biggrin: btw, in post #52 I was just joking.

I'm not going to debate that. By definition, what is real is real, whether or not we even exist or whether everything exists only in our own minds.

You were questioning "personal reality".

An individual experiences his or her reality through their senses (perception). Whatever inputs they're receiving at any particular time in their lives is their "personal reality".

Soon after man discovered fire and BBQ he was sitting around with his friends, grunting, mumbling about how great life was while picking his teeth with his nasty fingers. That was part of their "personal reality" at that time. F16 fighter jets on the other hand were not part of their reality but, F16's are real. Now, if it were somehow possible for an F16 to do a low altitude flyover at Mach 2 after their delicious dinner, "personal realities" would change in an instant and in more ways than one. :biggrin:

 

[tbroye]

This has been and interesting and fun thread to end the year. My reality is all messed up Brother in Law came over to watch Bowl Games now my bottle of Merlot is empty and my reality is cloudy can we start over next year? We did get a couple of pens made this afternoon for Granddaughter Karate instructor who uses a red pen to correct her essays on becoming a Black Belt.
So far this thread has be civil with maybe a couple of real small flames so my vote is to let it go for awhile.

Red pen, Black Pen, Blue Pen an F is an F in any color but so is an A an A in any color.

 

[Smitty37]

For homo sapiens, without perception nothing exists.

My perception of that statement is that it is Wrong.

In order to have a concept of reality, one must be able to perceive it.

zero input = zero output


:biggrin: btw, in post #52 I was just joking.

I'm not going to debate that. By definition, what is real is real, whether or not we even exist or whether everything exists only in our own minds.

You were questioning "personal reality".

An individual experiences his or her reality through their senses (perception). Whatever inputs they're receiving at any particular time in their lives is their "personal reality".

Soon after man discovered fire and BBQ he was sitting around with his friends, grunting, mumbling about how great life was while picking his teeth with his nasty fingers. That was part of their "personal reality" at that time. F16 fighter jets on the other hand were not part of their reality but, F16's are real. Now, if it were somehow possible for an F16 to do a low altitude flyover at Mach 2 after their delicious dinner, "personal realities" would change in an instant and in more ways than one. :biggrin:

Reality is defined in our language. The definition has been posted. It has no reference to perception.

Ah but what is real today is still real tomorrow but was not necessarily real yesterday.:biggrin: When I throw a real log on my fire it is changed and the real log no longer exists. The elements composing the log still exist but not in the form of a log. Reality has changed. No one said Reality can't change but when that lost F-16 showed up at early man's BBQ the reality changed for everybody, not just those who saw the strange bird that they would have to catch and eat at the next BBQ.:biggrin: