RANT: Ok, I got angry

[Smitty37]

Banning religion and politics

It is crazy, and no you do not have to ask, Tim! :biggrin:

No, of course you will not have "Merry Christmas" moderated from your posts, because it is not at all offensive, and thus not at all a violation of the AUP.

I kind of like happy holidays, though, as it recognizes that there are a number of holidays that occur in December...but to each his/her own!

It seems that whatever is offensive is subjective. You made decision that "Merry Christmas" is not offense before finding out if anyone is offended. Trust me, there will be plenty of atheist/gnostics who will find "Merry Christmas" offensive. And when they cry 'foul' what will you do. The politically correct thing... or the right thing. Because the PC thing seems to be the norm for these boards.

I disagree with the last sentence that "the PC thing seems to be the norm for these boards." I am not aware of ANY instance of anyone being asked to not say Merry Christmas, or any other holiday wishes. Can someone give me an example of how this is a PC place? PM or post here.

I am not suggesting that you change it....but in my opinion banning any topic because it might be controversial (people might be offended or might have their feelings hurt) is in and of itself PC in action.

 

[Jgrden]

Usually I am the one who........oh, never mind.

 

[ctubbs]

I have read this threat for a time now, and tried as I might to keep my big mouth shut and failed, so here goes. Should we try to not hurt another's feelings on purpose? Of course. Otherwise we loose all simbulance of being civilized, not to say that we are. Should we walk on egg shells and check every possibility of someone getting the wrong idea about what we tend to put into print? If that is so, we might as well sign up on the other pen turning site. It is near impossible to right facial emotions or tones of voice on a computer screen.

Being PC has cost this country dearly in free thought already. I, and I speak for one only, think that Jeff and all the others that stand guard here as mods are doing a great and thankless job of keeping this site under control. No mater what the decission each one of them make, it will be absolutly wrong in some eyes.

Personal note: Do I think that the mod on the Yahoo site did the right thing? Yes he did under the rules of the site. Do I personally agree with him? NOT ON YOUR LIFE! However it is his site. If you wish to play with his toys, then you must follow his rules. If you do not like his rules, then go play with someone else's toys.

For what it is worth, here is my own $0.02 worth. Thank you Jeff for giving me the chance to get this out of my head. If this is too bothersome, fee free to deleat it without comment. It will not hurt my feelings. Yes I have read this before I posted it to the group. There are some misspelled words but it is known how badly I spell.
Charles

 

[MesquiteMan]

Curtis, according to Rich himself, he is not the owner of that group, just the moderator.

R/ Bob

You are correct but Rich is the defacto leader since the actual owner is absent and has been for years.

 

[Grizz]

It is crazy, and no you do not have to ask, Tim! :biggrin:

No, of course you will not have "Merry Christmas" moderated from your posts, because it is not at all offensive, and thus not at all a violation of the AUP.

I kind of like happy holidays, though, as it recognizes that there are a number of holidays that occur in December...but to each his/her own!

It seems that whatever is offensive is subjective. You made decision that "Merry Christmas" is not offense before finding out if anyone is offended. Trust me, there will be plenty of atheist/gnostics who will find "Merry Christmas" offensive. And when they cry 'foul' what will you do. The politically correct thing... or the right thing. Because the PC thing seems to be the norm for these boards.

I disagree with the last sentence that "the PC thing seems to be the norm for these boards." I am not aware of ANY instance of anyone being asked to not say Merry Christmas, or any other holiday wishes. Can someone give me an example of how this is a PC place? PM or post here.

What I said was that the 'politically correct' thing in the norm here. For example you can cannot use the word 'effeminate' without people getting upset. Especially if it is true in its context.

 

[Russianwolf]

What I said was that the 'politically correct' thing in the norm here. For example you can cannot use the word 'effeminate' without people getting upset. Especially if it is true in its context.

Effff.... efim...... efemi......

Dang it I'm offended..... I can't pronounce it.

 

[scubaman]

Do I personally agree with him? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!

I am very curious what you do not agree with. I don't believe I have given any personal opinion on any of this. People have TAKEN it personally, and have mixed up the closing of a thread with an opinion about veterans or veteran's day.

 

[sbell111]

Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is. The Yahoo group, as I understand it, has a 'no off topic posts' policy. This policy should be enforced regardless of whether one agrees with the topic, or not.

 

[Smitty37]

Or worse

It is crazy, and no you do not have to ask, Tim! :biggrin:

No, of course you will not have "Merry Christmas" moderated from your posts, because it is not at all offensive, and thus not at all a violation of the AUP.

I kind of like happy holidays, though, as it recognizes that there are a number of holidays that occur in December...but to each his/her own!

It seems that whatever is offensive is subjective. You made decision that "Merry Christmas" is not offense before finding out if anyone is offended. Trust me, there will be plenty of atheist/gnostics who will find "Merry Christmas" offensive. And when they cry 'foul' what will you do. The politically correct thing... or the right thing. Because the PC thing seems to be the norm for these boards.

I disagree with the last sentence that "the PC thing seems to be the norm for these boards." I am not aware of ANY instance of anyone being asked to not say Merry Christmas, or any other holiday wishes. Can someone give me an example of how this is a PC place? PM or post here.

What I said was that the 'politically correct' thing in the norm here. For example you can cannot use the word 'effeminate' without people getting upset. Especially if it is true in its context.

You can't even say what it means without your post getting deleted for being "derogatory towards women" in big red letters.

 

[MesquiteMan]

Come on guys. Quit stirring the pot! Smitty, where in the world are you coming from with your post directly above? I do NOT see any big red letters anywhere in this thread. If you want to gripe about the moderation on this site, send me a PM and let's not drag the whole place down with posts stating misinformation.

Curtis O. Seebeck
IAP Head Moderator

 

[MesquiteMan]

You would have if you had read the IM notifying me that my post responding to Griz when he mentioned effiminate (actually a derivitive of the word)....had been deleted.

OK, so why drag that out into the open forum??? That should remain between you and the moderator in question or myself. Like I said, if you have a problem with the moderation of this site, you are going to get a lot better response by taking it up with me since I am the Head Moderator. Doing so on the forum like this accomplishes NOTHING and is just what is dragging this place down.

 

[sptfr43]

so anyway, I started thinking and one thought lead to another and I ended up in a place with bunnies and shiney things wondering how much coke and mentos I could put in my mouth before the resulting eruption started to shoot out my nose.

 

[Padre]

Do I personally agree with him? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!

I am very curious what you do not agree with. I don't believe I have given any personal opinion on any of this. People have TAKEN it personally, and have mixed up the closing of a thread with an opinion about veterans or veteran's day.

Yes, I took it personally since there was a long thread on Happy Birthday Marines that was not closed, but when it came to a post thanking veterans, you very quickly intervened and closed it. That, to me, was a double standard. If no "off-pen" posts are allowed, then none are allowed. But why allow one and not the other?

 

[Padre]

I would I would like to point out that I did not/do not think Rich, the Yahoo moderator, is a 'bad' person for doing what he did, nor do I wish to do him or the Yahoo group any harm.

In a separate note to Rich I said "I do think that you got caught in a situation where one off-topic thread was not deleted, then another one was. And the one that was resonated with a lot of veterans and therefore became a tinder box and immediately flamed."

I think being a moderator is an unenviable position and being one requires extreme patience and extra-thick skin.

 

[Freethinker]

The way I look at it is this;

if there was a website/discussion forum somewhere with a thread devoted to thanking Veterans and commending them for their service, (and there are no doubt hundreds of them) and you or I came into that thread and said -- "Hey guys, do any of you know if the bushings that fit the Navigator pen kit are the same bushings as the ones for a Baron? Any advice or info you can give me will be apprecited." ...

.... I am pretty sure that some of the posters or moderators in that thread would respond to me with -- "Excuse me, but this is a thread about thanking the Veterans, buddy.....what the heck are you doing inserting a comment here about penmaking?!?!?


And they would be absolutely correct in doing so.

But the reverse is also true.

Why not discuss penmaking on penmaking forums, and discuss thanking Veterans of the numerous other forums that exist for that?

Just my two cents.

 

[MesquiteMan]

I have closed this thread. There is enough griping about moderators over here without the need to bring a different community's problems to our back porch.

Curtis O. Seebeck
IAP Head Moderator