Pen Turning as a Discourse Community

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Flintski22

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Hello! It's been a minute since I have posted on here. I'm working on a project for a college English Class and we're writing an essay about discourse communities. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the idea of a discourse community, a discourse community can be summed up as a group that uses unique language, values, ideas, and conventions to communicate. The language used within a discourse community often isn't comprehended by people who aren't members of the discourse community.

For this assignment I have to write about a discourse community I am in so I've chosen to write about Pen Turners as a discourse community. In my Essay I'm arguing that we use language that people who don't turn pens don't understand. I'm supposed to get direct quotes from my discourse community to use in my Essay, and I would love to have this thread become a discussion discussing how Pen Turners use language uniquely and how we use vocabulary that others wouldn't understand. If you all are okay with it, I would love to quote some of you in my paper.

Looking forward to hearing all of your ideas!
Thanks,
Flint
 
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Wish you luck with the idea. I just not sure I get the gist of this though. You can say that same thing about any career, job, sport, hobby, and so forth. Terms, phrases, and thoughts that are related to those things are not used by all. This is not uncommon. Each day more and more catagories get added to the list especially with new technology such as AI, Alternative Energy, and just everyday interactions such as what is happening in the wars around the world and the situation with ICE, the medical field keeps expanding and so forth. But to take your idea back to the subject matter, you will get a list of names and tools used, as well as finishing techniques used and products used. You will get different types of pens being made and along with that comes techniques that people have no idea what they are. Casting takes you down an entire pathway with same components that pertain to that type of pen making. Segmenting, kitless VS kit pens, fountain pens VS rollerball VS old fashion ink pens. Methods of extracting and retracting the inks or in pencils, the lead. It will be interesting reading the comments and responses. I think somewhere in your report you need to mention the lack of cursive writing these days and the use of the pen has been taken over by the pushing of keys or buttons or even the sound of the voice. I wish you luck. Hope you share the results when all content is aquired.
 
Good luck with your paper! Feel free to use or refute the thoughts below.

From my standpoint there are a few areas in pen making that are unique for sure. First and foremost that comes to mind is how we refer to the different types of pens. "Sierra" could a distinct brand name but it's also the name of a full class of pens that share common design elements and are marketed by various manufacturers or retailers under different names. In no particular order you have sierra, diamond knurl, gatsby, wall street, etc. You could make the same case for some of the slimline designs too but I think sierra is maybe a better illustration. My wife has lived with a woodworker and pen maker for a long time and still asks me to show her what a pen is if I refer to it by the brand or type.

Use of the term "blank" is another one. To a pen maker it's word used to describe the medium the body of the pen is made from but within "blank" you can have qualifiers for wood, segmented, resin and several sub categories under all of those for things like label cast, stabilized etc.

As far as common values and conventions, all of us are striving to make things that people can use and display with pride (no one has time or cash for an ugly pen). People who truly love to write value a pen for the feel they have while using it and the joy of writing with something that is artisan made. Many times pens are given to recognize life events or significant things. I've routinely made pens as thank you gifts and congratulatory gifts for graduations or achievements. I am dating myself but it used to be routine to give a pen and pencil set for high school graduations too.

Other unique things could be the tooling or methods to do things too. Celtic knots are not 100% unique to pen making but I rarely see them outside of pens. The Beall Pen Wizard has been a topic of conversation lately and it's a pretty darn unique tool.
 
We frequently talk about "sand through" - sanding through the newly applied finish coat all the way down to the blank. We also often suggest that you "paint the hole" - painting the inside of the drilled hole in a pen blank. "Acrylic" gets used to broadly reference any kind of plastic and not just true Acrylic. FOG wood (Found On Ground). MicroMesh (Referring to the sanding process and not the brand name MicroMesh sanding material). Kitless (or more controversial, Bespoke) - pens made from scratch without the benefit of a kit of parts/accessories. I'm sure there are a bunch of things. - Dave
 
Wow.....interesting idea and request. The initial post immediately pushed me to Wikipedia for a formal definition of 'discourse'. I can't say that I have ever used the word discourse in a sentence but instead find myself frequently talking about people with 'common interests '- usually now in my retirement when referring to things I do for my hobbies. The terminology use varies by hobby, but I agree that certain items, ideas, or methodologies vary and are often specific to only one. Woodturners often discuss 'brown and round' meaning a plain wooden bowl vs what others outside the hobby might jump to. Owners of older homes moan about 'knob and tube' meaning an often-dangerous antiquated form of electrical wiring, not what a knitter might think. Pen makers vs pen turners often use different terms for the same thing - just at a different viewpoint and often with different positive or negative meanings.

Looking back to my professional career in the software security space, I think it was pretty much the same. Fellow wonks knew what was meant when someone called you a 'wonk'. They didn't get insulted - in fact usually it was used as a compliment. The word 'paranoid' took on whole new meanings - usually inferring someone was thorough and well thought out, not a walking disaster. 'Quality code' was a definition as much as an adjective.

So I guess my comment for your paper is that people interpret 'discourse' into their points of view, education, or career path among other things - making things often mis-understood or translated in their minds often resulting in emotional or confrontational situations vs someone just talking. Few if any words in the dictionary have one specific meaning - each needs a frame of reference - defining 'discourse I guess......

Have fun - guess the penmaking forums are 'pushing the envelope'.....lol

Kevin
 
One word that I use in pen turning but can also be used anytime when you're dealing with wood is chatoyance. Sometimes I'll point out how a pen has chatoyance to someone, and they'll ask me to repeat it several times. This is quite possibly a word that you may not have heard before if you haven't immersed yourself in pen turning.
 
Thanks Kent for making the mention of the Beall Pen Wizard. Being sad to say that yes, it's not be produced any longer, but also sad that there's many of them out there that are just sitting in a corner of someones shop collecting dust. I'm about a month now into my new (used) Pen Wizard and I'm thrilled at the daily things I learn about it. Don't think anyone could scratch the surface on it's capabilities and the many things it has the potential to accomplish in the pen making world. I'm hoping to see more people get it back out, dust it off and learn new things about it they may have not tried. Also hoping that the day comes that Lee Valley Tools that own the rights of it they acquired from Jerry Beall upon his retirement may once again market the machine. I'm sure improvements can be made and costs can be cut using today's modern technology. Would love to see the machine resurrected once again.
 
Many specialized communities had adapted words to apply to their specific environment. Pen makers have inherited words from the 1800's through the 1900's. We also use words from the wood working, metal working, and wood turning communities.
 
One area of penmaking language that may be particularly useful for your essay is the debate surrounding the terms "kitless," "custom," and "bespoke." These words are commonly used within the penmaking community, but even experienced penmakers do not always agree about what they mean.

"Kitless" generally describes a pen made without a conventional commercial pen kit. The maker ordinarily fabricates the barrel, cap, threads, finials, and often the section. However, nearly all such pens still contain some commercially manufactured components, such as the nib, feed, converter, refill, spring, or clip. This creates an obvious question: how many purchased components can a pen contain before it is no longer truly kitless?

Some members consider a pen kitless as long as its primary structure and design were created by the maker. Others draw a stricter line and distinguish among "kitless," "less-kit," "modified kit," and "customized kit" pens. Brass tubes are another point of disagreement. Some makers believe a truly kitless pen should not contain them, while others see no problem using tubes as internal supports.

The term "bespoke" is even more controversial. In its traditional sense, bespoke means something made or commissioned for a particular customer according to that person's specifications. Under that definition, a kitless pen made for inventory would not necessarily be bespoke. At the same time, a pen made from a commercial kit might arguably be bespoke if a customer selected its materials, colors, dimensions, engraving, and other features.

Within penmaking, however, "bespoke" is sometimes used as a synonym for kitless, custom-made, fully handcrafted, or made from scratch. Some makers believe it appropriately distinguishes their work from pens assembled from commercial kits. Others regard it as a confusing or pretentious marketing term that does not accurately describe how the pen was made.

I found several earlier IAP discussions that illustrate this disagreement:

  • Define A Bespoke Pen — This two-page 2020 discussion contains several competing definitions. One member humorously observed that "there are as many meanings for bespoke as there are ways to apply a CA finish."
  • New Forum for Kitless? — When IAP considered creating a dedicated forum in 2021, choosing its name produced its own debate. When "Custom / Kitless / Pens" was suggested, one member replied, "As long as BESPOKE doesn't appear, I'm good."
  • What Constitutes Kitless? — This 2016 discussion asks whether a pen can still be kitless if it contains brass tubes, a commercially manufactured clip, or other purchased parts.
  • Kitless Pen — This 2010 thread discusses the distinction between "true kitless," "less-kit," and modified or customized kit pens. One experienced member said that an earlier attempt to reach a consensus definition had failed.
  • What Is a Kitless Pen? — Members in this 2013 discussion disagree specifically about whether brass tubes must be omitted for a pen to qualify as kitless.
  • Kitless Explanation — When someone asked whether IAP had a generally accepted explanation of kitless, the response was, "A true definition, not really."
  • Opinions Wanted—When Is a Pen Considered "Kitless"? — This discussion dates back to 2009 and asks when a substantially altered kit pen crosses the line from "modified" to "kitless."
I think these debates provide a very good example of how language functions within a discourse community. These labels do more than explain how a pen was constructed. They can also communicate a maker's ideas about originality, craftsmanship, authorship, skill, and even the perceived value of the finished pen.

An outsider might assume that "kitless" and "bespoke" have simple, universally accepted definitions. An experienced IAP member knows that either word can begin a lengthy debate. That debate is itself evidence of a discourse community developing, using, and negotiating its own specialized language.
 
"Pen turning, unlike most other forms of woodworking, especially flatwork or cabinet work, allows the artist to use scraps of wood which otherwise would be discarded. Even the smallest of pieces can be integrated into pen design and creation; essentially pen turning conserves and repurposes precious and rare species allowing them to be treasured in an "everyday use item", rather than locked up behind a glass display case."

"Pen turning is often looked down on or dismissed by other woodturners, yet in it's simplest form is a segment of the hobby which gives near instant gratification and audience amazement. This allows an artist to set up a lathe at a craft fair or holiday expo and turn a finished, usable pen in less than 10 minutes. Handing it to a potential customer or giving it away to a fascinated audience member, is unique within the woodworking community."
 
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