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wood-of-1kind said:
What happens if someone is FALSELY accused?
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Well think about it Peter...... that's why when someone reports one of the Unscrupulous, living-under-a-rock, low life slimeballs, they do so privately to a forum rep who's job it would be to look into the alligations.

I doubt VERY SERIOUSLY your typical member would go to the bother of filing false accusations against someone knowing they would be proven wrong in an investigation.
 
skiprat said:
Texatdurango said:
the best I can figure out, there at at least eight camps with some members belonging to more than one camp! :biggrin:
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Let me guess....:biggrin:

1. Narcissists
2. Demi-Gods
3. Wannabe Moderators
4. Resident Idiots
5. Over-rated Member/vendors
6. Egomaniacs
7. Scum and Crooks
8. General memberships

and maybe

9. All of the above

LOL, I don't mind admitting I'm an 8 with a bit of 6 thrown in for good measure. Mmmm, ok, add a smidgen of 4 as well.:biggrin:
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Heck Nine has been my favorite number since the White Album, I wanna be a 9, except I don't want any part of moderating!!
 
aahhh George, you are forgetting group 5.

If you are lucky enough to live in this group then even true complaints become false.

''''I mean for goodness sakes man, they are a pillar of our society, it must be you at fault, it couldn't possibly be them. Now shut up'!!!'''
 
I was born a 4 and never grew out of it. Come to think of, I never want to grow out of group 4. "I am what I am, and that's all that I am." Who remembers that?
Charles
 
skiprat said:
aahhh George, you are forgetting group 5.

If you are lucky enough to live in this group then even true complaints become false.

''''I mean for goodness sakes man, they are a pillar of our society, it must be you at fault, it couldn't possibly be them. Now shut up'!!!'''
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Now that's funny there, true but funny! Or is it sad but true? :biggrin:
 
It is no secret among the Management Team that deadbeat, low-life, lyin, cheaten, thieving, dirtbag, bottom feeders who do not live up to their obligations to others tend to.............................................................................irratate me. Let me make it real clear that I know that there are occassions where legitimate circumstances prohibit completion of a trade, etc. but there is rarely an excuse for no communication.

I, with the support of the management team have been attempting to make it a little less easy for people to take advantage of others on the IAP, but only while involved in IAP Activities. I've always been of the opinion that private transactions between individuals were just that and people should understand the risks associated with conducting business on the internet. Reading this thread has caused a light-bulb to illuminate. I may be going about this the wrong way. So, let me refine the idea you all sparked and present it to the management team.

Alice, thanks for bringing this issue to the forefront. If you want to PM the name to me I will do what I can to contact the...................person..........and talk.

Jessee, PLEASE let me know who stiffed you during the PITH so I can make sure he will not stiff anyone else.

Thanks.
 
Even if you ban or blacklist someone, they can still register with another name or email address. Can you ever really stop the determined person who wants to take advantage of others? I do hate seeing this happen but unfortunately there are people in the world who just don't care about having any morals. It is so nice to find a site like this one where most all are genuinely nice.
 
mbroberg said:
It is no secret among the Management Team that deadbeat, low-life, lyin, cheaten, thieving, dirtbag, bottom feeders who do not live up to their obligations to others tend to.............................................................................irratate me. Let me make it real clear that I know that there are occassions where legitimate circumstances prohibit completion of a trade, etc. but there is rarely an excuse for no communication.

I, with the support of the management team have been attempting to make it a little less easy for people to take advantage of others on the IAP, but only while involved in IAP Activities. I've always been of the opinion that private transactions between individuals were just that and people should understand the risks associated with conducting business on the internet. Reading this thread has caused a light-bulb to illuminate. I may be going about this the wrong way. So, let me refine the idea you all sparked and present it to the management team.

Alice, thanks for bringing this issue to the forefront. If you want to PM the name to me I will do what I can to contact the...................person..........and talk.

Jessee, PLEASE let me know who stiffed you during the PITH so I can make sure he will not stiff anyone else.

Thanks.
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Hey.............. we might just have one of the "Magnificant Seven" onboard afterall! :biggrin:


Mike, as you stated, it's not up to the IAP to police and play big brother by watching over private transactions between members since we are all adults and SHOULD know the dangers of dealing in cyber space.

That said, where I see a problem is the ever increasing mindset that we, the IAP membership is just one big happy family. With that thinking, I believe some might take their gaurd down and extend a little more trust than they usually would elsewhere on the internet. So, it's sorta the IAP's doing that we're so trusting of each other!:wink:
 
Mike, I know you'll do your best to help resolve this unfortunate situation.

Elody, I know you don't wish to reveal the identity of the traitor...oops, I mean trader, but would you let us in on their end of the deal? 300 corian blanks for how many cast blanks? If need be I'd be happy to help fill in some of the blanks you've lost out on.
 
one thing that has not been mentioned is that someone offered to trade something that they did NOT even have. i'm willing to bet that they did not tell Alice that they had not made the blanks yet.
so let's use some common sense here. if you ain't got it do not offer to trade it or sell it and no one will be out anything. i'm still out from a trade that will be soon three years old. the guy needed that slimline cross clip yesterday so i quickly sent not only the clip but a whole flat rate box of assorted blanks. six months later he actually posted "do i owe someone a trade" and i believe it was texatdurango that stood up for and pointed him back to the original posts. by the way thanks tex. but as of today he has not sent anything heck i don't even remember what he was to send lol.
 
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For what it's worth, I've engaged in dozens of trades with other members, in addition to being both a buyer and seller of goods through the classifieds more times than I could count. I have never had a bad experience over the roughly 5 years I've been a member, though I have had a few members I've decided to avoid based on other postings I've seen. By and large, I'd guess 98 to 99+% of the transactions here work well, which I think is phenomenal and a positive reflection on the forum and membership. That said, there obviously are times that a transaction does not meet expectations, whether due to a complete failure to deliver (regardless of what underlying circumstances might be the case) or due to perceived or actual perception that goods have been misrepresented. Addressing issues with vendors utilizing the classifieds already has a venue, with opportunities to provide vendor reviews. More difficult to monitor is just the type of situation communicated by Alice. For consideration, I am suggesting that we provide a method to indicate a member has unfulfilled obligations outstanding. We have an easy way to tag a post and forward to the attention of the moderator, along with info on which terms of use we believe the thread violates. Would it be possible to flag a member profile, and have a similar pop-up appear that allows one to send details to the moderator team? And from there, if after a review the mods communicate with the member in question and make a determination of the validity of the underlying complaint, and if the determination is that the complaint is valid, flag the members profile as having unfulfilled obligations? Maybe shade the box on the left of posts that indicate username, avatar, and other info such as post counts, location, and join date in yellow or light red, indicating there are unresolved issues related to prior commitments? I know there are any number of reasons why life can change on you unexpectedly, and so would look for something more low key than a "wall of shame". I do feel, though, that if a person can't meet past commitments, they should be flagged as a warning to other members to avoid entering into additional trades/transactions until past commitments have been satisfactorily resolved. Just my three cents worth.
 
Texatdurango said:
skiprat said:
Group 10. Crap stirrer

..and not the first time either, :wink:
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But I prefer to think of myself as "Thought/action provoker" rather than stirrer.
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To-may-to, To-mah-to, Po-tay-to, Po-tah-to.... Crap stirrer, Thought/action provoker..... whatever you want to call it, you're in group 10 as well, George!!:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 
lwalden said:
......To-may-to, To-mah-to, Po-tay-to, Po-tah-to.... Crap stirrer, Thought/action provoker..... whatever you want to call it, you're in group 10 as well, George!!:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
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Gee, I was just kidding, do you really think I'm in group 10? :eek: I thought I was just your average run-of-the-mill plain ole number eight! :wink:
 
Ed,
I will never say I am even-handed, but a welch is a welch (No disrepect to most of the people from Wales). Ask any service member if negative reinforcement works ON OCCASION.

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JerrySambrook said:
Andrew (Maxwell_Smart007),
On occasion, negative reinforcement is a viable and constructive option.

We seem to let it be a way of life against vendors here on many occasoiins, so why should not a person be able to "call out" a fellow member here, when the same circumstance arise?
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Jerry, my friend, you know not everybody is as "even-handed" as you (oh most moderated member:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:). If we "call out" people on the forum, the result will be a separation of the membership into "camp A" and "Camp B", and the great fight ensues!!

Then, about four days later, the "dead horse" cartoon arrives and the sides go back to their daily jobs---laying in wait for the next opportunity to "get that no good SOB (depending on whether you were camp A or B, it could be SOA)"

Let's TRY to avoid that----as Alice has done here, thank you for the very appropriate and genteel approach, Alice!!

(but do let Mike know who is the offender, please)
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I vote for a list too, how many of us have sent a little box of goodies to another IAP member as a surprise, I would hate to be sending one to a member who has deliberately duped another member! :mad:
 
OK Guys, I just got home from a long day of trimming a house I have under construction. The proper way of dealing with this is to report it to me or Jeff. If it is an official IAP activity, then report it to Mike.

Believe me, we do take these things seriously and have taken action many times in the past that no one was aware of. Alice contacted me about a problem many months ago and I sent the person a PM. I did not hear back from Alice so I assumed it had been taken care of. I am not sure if this is the same person/situation or a different one. Alice, if it is the same person, please let me know via PM and send me the name again as well as any PMs you may have. I will take it from there.

As for others...if you have gotten the short end of the stick, PLEASE let me know. We can't fix something if we are not aware of it! We have dealt or attempted to deal with any and all issues that have been brought to our attention.

Like said above, transactions are between members so there is nothing we can do about the transaction but I guarantee you, if it is not rectified, the offending person be ejected from the site. We have done it before and will not hesitate to do it again. We already have provisions in the TOS and AUP to handle this and do not need any new rules.

As for a list, that isn't happening! (that is, unless Jeff decides to do it!)
 
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Texatdurango said:
MesquiteMan said:
.....As for a list, that isn't happening! (that is, unless Jeff decides to do it!)
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Party Pooper!
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I guess everyone with a pitch fork and torch has to go home now. :eek:


On a serious note:
IAP is one of the few Internet forums that has evolved into an adoptive family of sorts. This would explain why people take it to heart when one of our own gets taken advantage of. While this is a good thing, at times many of us (us means me too) tend to think with our hearts and not our heads.

Alice, please PM me your address. I cannot replace 300 blanks, but I can soften the blow and maybe restore some of your faith in the members here. The way you handled yourself expresses class and that deserves to be recognized.
 
has anyone evere considered the postal system?

I have bought and traded on quite a number of occasions and at least 50% never made it to my door.

Yes, granted, I live in a country where it is the norm to pilfer through others post and help yourself but even if it was the exception to the rule, it must happen other places too.

Perhaps I am being stupid and in fact I too have been duped on more than one occasion but I dont believe this to be the case.

So in your axe murder trials you have going on here, spare a thought for the guy that says he has sent it for he may telling the truth.



"ya'll will be given a fair trial and hanged in the mornin!"
 
terryf said:
......So in your axe murder trials you have going on here, spare a thought for the guy that says he has sent it for he may telling the truth.

"ya'll will be given a fair trial and hanged in the mornin!"
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See, that's what's good about the plan we were discussing. Getting something lost in the mail once... that's understandable IF the problem is communicated, twice.... well, I don't know, let's watch this guy, three complaints from three different people.......Name on the wall for all to see!

But it looks like it's not going to happen but at least the bad guys know we're on to them now so bad guys be vewy vewy careful who you try to pull one over on!:tongue:
 
Most are honest

I think most are honest which is why my business has an unconditional return policy and I usually replace missing parts with a whole new kit. But, I do occasionally get stiffed, it's upsetting but that's life. All I can do is make sure that I never stiff anyone else.
 
Smitty37 said:
But, I do occasionally get stiffed, it's upsetting but that's life. All I can do is make sure that I never stiff anyone else.
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So it goes to show. be the stiffer, not the stiffie. :biggrin:......

No wait.. Be the stiffie.....:wink:

Great people here.
 
I have had plenty of things go bad (group buys) in one way or another. One of them drug on for months. Not one time did I have anyone contact me and say "Hey are you ever going to send my stuff"? I believe there is one reason for it. Communication, just stay in contact and let people know what is going on. They get behind you and even jump in and give a helping hand. I also agree with George. There has been a lot done on this group to foster trust, their are those that will take advantage of it. Time to be as good at protecting ourselves as we are at helping others. Otherwise the trust will simply get stuffed back in it's nice safe spot and everyone will start requiring shipping confirmation and declared values on trades. I woudl hate to see it come to that. This group is something special.
 
I e-mailed Curtis with the persons name. I did find out that someone else had the same problem with one sided trade and I believe the person has been banned from the site earlier. I see now I should have said something to Curtis or Jeff before. I guess I just kept thinking the person was having some problem and couldn't send anything.
I love this site and the persons here and find it troubling that someone would invade our space for something like this.
Several persons have offered to send me something. I find this sooooooooo sweet but I am fine and the thread wasn't about not getting something but more about someone cheating me.
Like I said it is disturbing. If it happens ever again I will bring it to Curtis right away, but I am still going to trust first.
Thanks everyone for the support and feedback
Alice
 
terryf said:
has anyone evere considered the postal system?

I have bought and traded on quite a number of occasions and at least 50% never made it to my door.

Yes, granted, I live in a country where it is the norm to pilfer through others post and help yourself but even if it was the exception to the rule, it must happen other places too.

Perhaps I am being stupid and in fact I too have been duped on more than one occasion but I dont believe this to be the case.

So in your axe murder trials you have going on here, spare a thought for the guy that says he has sent it for he may telling the truth.



"ya'll will be given a fair trial and hanged in the mornin!"
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I just want to add this. I recently did a trade in which the good ole USPS managed to loose 1/2 of. I received my package but my swap partner did not. Well guess what? My partner is not upset. You know why? The answer is because when contacted by him about it, I did what was right, and paid for the item I received. Now, in this case, I did insure the item and that process is ongoing (fun as it is) so even though the process is a PITA I will eventually get close to back to square. My point of this is simply this. If you have legit reasons for "stuff" happening, you simply stay in communication and get it fixed. Mistakes do happen. Sometimes it just happens. This is the exception and should not happen often 9especially with the same person). I would fully support a process being in place where a 3rd party (IAP admin or such) helps research the transaction, assists in its resolution, and for those that are found to have not been on the up and up, especially for repeat "situations", should be flagged in some way so until the outstanding issue is resolved, they probably should not continue trading/selling other stuff with other members. Now I know it has been said that private transactions between members are not really IAP issues. Well in fact, if the members are interacting through the use of the forum, it is in fact an IAP concern. I do not feel there needs to be a public "black list" for each and every "trade gone bad", but perhaps a policy governing how these members are to respond to and correct these situations might need to be considered. I know there have been members "BANNED" in the past, this will most likely happen again, such is how it goes. In some cases perhaps such a policy would have, upon the first occurrence, put the member on notice that this is not the place for this kind of activity and if they want to continue to benefit from the group they should understand they are going to be held accountable for handling themselves appropriately. This could lead them to become a valued member of the group or alternately, they would move on, knowing they would be watched too closely to "pull" anything else. This is all of course, just my opinion. I'm sure others may feel differently.
 
Well one thing everyone can be sure of, Radams won't be duping anyone anymore. I don't know how many times he was on the verge of being banned and it finally happened. I suffered a huge loss but as said before I'm not going to be sceptical about future trades.
 
As Alice said, the person she had a problem with is no longer a member at IAP. This person was banned about 6 month ago and unfortunately, Alice may have been caught in the crossfire. I have offered to make her whole on behalf of IAP due to the situation.
 
hunter-27 said:
I would fully support a process being in place where a 3rd party (IAP admin or such) helps research the transaction, assists in its resolution, and for those that are found to have not been on the up and up, especially for repeat "situations", should be flagged in some way so until the outstanding issue is resolved, they probably should not continue trading/selling other stuff with other members.
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Landon, This already happens pretty much as you "suggested". When we are notified of a classifieds issue that is not rectified, we contact the person and ask for their side of the issue. We then give them XX amount of time to make it right and tell them they are no longer allowed to use ANY of the classifieds section including trades and giveaways until the situation is rectified. We do not ban them until it is determined that they are just NOT going to come through and have no intentions of honoring their commitments. WE WILL NOT tolerate dishonest business practices.
 
MesquiteMan said:
hunter-27 said:
I would fully support a process being in place where a 3rd party (IAP admin or such) helps research the transaction, assists in its resolution, and for those that are found to have not been on the up and up, especially for repeat "situations", should be flagged in some way so until the outstanding issue is resolved, they probably should not continue trading/selling other stuff with other members.
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Landon, This already happens pretty much as you "suggested". When we are notified of a classifieds issue that is not rectified, we contact the person and ask for their side of the issue. We then give them XX amount of time to make it right and tell them they are no longer allowed to use ANY of the classifieds section including trades and giveaways until the situation is rectified. We do not ban them until it is determined that they are just NOT going to come through and have no intentions of honoring their commitments. WE WILL NOT tolerate dishonest business practices.
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Agreed, maybe if this policy were made more readily open and obvious to all, including new members that may not know about it at all. Everyone then would know exactly what standard we expect and exactly what procedure to follow to rectify and given situation. Not to add to the moderator duties further, if there were a "screening process" to help the lines of communication get established, then perhaps the admin would only need to be used in extreme cases. I think being more open about the standard we expect, might quiet these types of issues some. Just a couple thoughts. I have said my piece, thanks for listening (reading).
 
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keithkarl2007 said:
Good luck with it Alice. I traded stuff with RAdams and never received anything back. He is banned now so there is no way to contact him. I hope whoever it was that mistreated you is still active.
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Can you still use the "send message via email" option instead of PM, does that still work when someone is banned?
 
An "official" list might not be created, but someone could always mosey on over and create a new thread with a few member names posted in it!
 
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No he is no longer on the board so he can't be Pm,d. I can't find the messages we exchanged, they seem to have disappeared but Alice has kindly sent me his postal address to contact him.
 
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