My New Table Saw SUCKS!!!

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Gotcha!!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

My new table saw got replaced by this monster! Safety and health over a nice "I want it..."

No complaints from me!

Dedicated ducts are are ready to be glued, blast gates are almost done...

Ordered the electrician to put in a new dedicated circuit, plus some extra tasks...

Went from 30 microns to 1-2 microns... (I'm good with that!).

Did a quick test with a self-made plug... It REALLY SUCKS!!! :smile::smile:
 
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Beautiful machine !!........but where does the operator of the lathes, etc. stand ? Looks a lot like my shop.No room for large dust collectors . No guests aloud ....to hazardous !!!!! I am sure you will work things out ! I just got a new table saw ( $200 ) ....a portable one that I can operate outside in the beautiful weather in Florida.
So far it is still in the box. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and keep turning for 2015 .
Joe
 
That's awesome nice, Mark - congratulations.
I have a similar project in the works, but I'm just getting started on mine. Mine won't be anywhere near this nice, but I'm going for 1-2 microns also.
 
Nice! Looks like it could suck small animals and children into it. Be careful.

(unless of course that's the point)
 
wood128 said:
Beautiful machine !!........but where does the operator of the lathes, etc. stand ? Looks a lot like my shop.No room for large dust collectors . No guests aloud ....to hazardous !!!!! I am sure you will work things out ! I just got a new table saw ( $200 ) ....a portable one that I can operate outside in the beautiful weather in Florida.
So far it is still in the box. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and keep turning for 2015 .
Joe
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Hi Joe. It will go in an adjoining room! I coupled all machines and one extra port for a sweeper hose all with 4" plumbing pipe and blast gates. I tried turned it on just to test the furthest opening and it is a big improvement over my previous 30 micron unit. After it is out of the workshop, I actually have a lot of space: 14' x 19'. I will glue all the piping now and wait for the electrician to put in some dedicated lines/fuses. I can do simple electricial work, but this I want done correctly.

Chris: Yes it is loud, and the motor takes 1-2 seconds to come up to speed. Being in the next room it will be great though.
 
I've got a friend that runs a large mill-work shop. Their main line is, get this, 48" in diameter. They thought they may have to put fall harnesses on the workers to strap them to their workstations.:smile:

Interesting note from the owner was that the extra suction pays off fast because of less heat in the tooling, therefore reducing tooling costs dramatically, so no you can never have too much...
 
Just noticed this thread and have to mention a few things. Setting up a dust collector is more involved than one thinks if you want to get full efficiency out of the collector and do it safely. You just do not go buy plumbers pvc and glue them together. Someone here mentioned they too will be setting up one in the future. Well i hope you do some homework.

From the photos shown I see a few choke points right off the bat. The tees used are not efficient. The 90 degree bends are not efficient and you will be surprised about how much air flow is lost. The blast gates are notorious for getting debris stuck in them and not closing all the way so air flow is lost too. If the shop is small you are better off doing a straight run of the main trunk and branching off will flex hose designed for dust collecting and keep the amount of fittings to a minimum. The bigger the better.

Remember also grounding is important when using pvc. Static electricity can be hazardous. You will notice how much those ribbons from acrylics being turned stick to the pvc. If done correctly there is no better way to get rid of the dust at the source than a well tuned dust collector system.

Just noticed there are duel outlets on that unit. Use that to your advantage.

Good luck with the install and here is some reading info that maybe helpful to you and others. Also there are a ton of threads on this topic in the archives of the site and also think in the library. Use the search feature to find them. makes for good reading.

Dust Collection Research - Ducting
 
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Just noticed this thread and have to mention a few things. Setting up a dust collector is more involved than one thinks if you want to get full efficiency out of the collector and do it safely. You just do not go buy plumbers pvc and glue them together. Someone here mentioned they too will be setting up one in the future. Well i hope you do some homework.

From the photos shown I see a few choke points right off the bat. The tees used are not efficient. The 90 degree bends are not efficient and you will be surprised about how much air flow is lost. The blast gates are notorious for getting debris stuck in them and not closing all the way so air flow is lost too. If the shop is small you are better off doing a straight run of the main trunk and branching off will flex hose designed for dust collecting and keep the amount of fittings to a minimum. The bigger the better.

Remember also grounding is important when using pvc. Static electricity can be hazardous. You will notice how much those ribbons from acrylics being turned stick to the pvc. If done correctly there is no better way to get rid of the dust at the source than a well tuned dust collector system.

Good luck with the install and here is some reading info that maybe helpful to you and others.

Dust Collection Research - Ducting
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Thanks for the suggestions John!

Nothing is glued in yet, so I can still modify and return stuff not needed.

I'll check out the link, Thanks.
 
mark james said:
jttheclockman said:
Just noticed this thread and have to mention a few things. Setting up a dust collector is more involved than one thinks if you want to get full efficiency out of the collector and do it safely. You just do not go buy plumbers pvc and glue them together. Someone here mentioned they too will be setting up one in the future. Well i hope you do some homework.

From the photos shown I see a few choke points right off the bat. The tees used are not efficient. The 90 degree bends are not efficient and you will be surprised about how much air flow is lost. The blast gates are notorious for getting debris stuck in them and not closing all the way so air flow is lost too. If the shop is small you are better off doing a straight run of the main trunk and branching off will flex hose designed for dust collecting and keep the amount of fittings to a minimum. The bigger the better.

Remember also grounding is important when using pvc. Static electricity can be hazardous. You will notice how much those ribbons from acrylics being turned stick to the pvc. If done correctly there is no better way to get rid of the dust at the source than a well tuned dust collector system.

Good luck with the install and here is some reading info that maybe helpful to you and others.

Dust Collection Research - Ducting
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Thanks for the suggestions John!

Nothing is glued in yet, so I can still modify and return stuff not needed.

I'll check out the link, Thanks.
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That was one of the reasons I mentioned it. :smile:
 
jttheclockman said:
mark james said:
jttheclockman said:
Just noticed this thread and have to mention a few things. Setting up a dust collector is more involved than one thinks if you want to get full efficiency out of the collector and do it safely. You just do not go buy plumbers pvc and glue them together. Someone here mentioned they too will be setting up one in the future. Well i hope you do some homework.

From the photos shown I see a few choke points right off the bat. The tees used are not efficient. The 90 degree bends are not efficient and you will be surprised about how much air flow is lost. The blast gates are notorious for getting debris stuck in them and not closing all the way so air flow is lost too. If the shop is small you are better off doing a straight run of the main trunk and branching off will flex hose designed for dust collecting and keep the amount of fittings to a minimum. The bigger the better.

Remember also grounding is important when using pvc. Static electricity can be hazardous. You will notice how much those ribbons from acrylics being turned stick to the pvc. If done correctly there is no better way to get rid of the dust at the source than a well tuned dust collector system.

Good luck with the install and here is some reading info that maybe helpful to you and others.

Dust Collection Research - Ducting
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Thanks for the suggestions John!

Nothing is glued in yet, so I can still modify and return stuff not needed.

I'll check out the link, Thanks.
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That was one of the reasons I mentioned it. :smile:
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I Read the link... Now my head hurts :rotfl:! Great article that I'll be rereading before any final install!

I'm pretty good with the suggestions, just wondering about the static issue. Will have to think on that one. This is for small amounts of work.
 
Mark I understand about the static issues and there is debates out there weather it is necessary or not because of the size of the shop but to me better to be safe than sorry. Most people just run a ground wire along the pipe run and branch off from it to the equipment. My dust collector is 6" metal main run and I branch off using hoses as I said. I took a ground wire to my water pipe where the service comes in. Being metal I only needed to ground the end.

Just keep in mind those blast gates. They will need to be cleaned now and then. After you get this one the next good tool is a air cleaner and it will catch all that fine dust the dust collector will not get especially when using a tablesaw or mitersaw. Dust collectors are a good tool but not a cure all. Good luck.
 
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Mark I understand about the static issues and there is debates out there weather it is necessary or not because of the size of the shop but to me better to be safe than sorry. Most people just run a ground wire along the pipe run and branch off from it to the equipment. My dust collector is 6" metal main run and I branch off using hoses as I said. I took a ground wire to my water pipe where the service comes in. Being metal I only needed to ground the end.

Just keep in mind those blast gates. They will need to be cleaned now and then. After you get this one the next good tool is a air cleaner and it will catch all that fine dust the dust collector will not get especially when using a tablesaw or mitersaw. Dust collectors are a good tool but not a cure all. Good luck.
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I already have a ceiling mounted air filter Jet (1 micron) and it is amazing what the outer filter looks like after 1 month. I do check that regulaily.

My wife loves your suggestions but is still going to increase my life Insurance and home owners policy :giggle:
 
Mark,

As one who has done a lot with dust collection, I recommend you DO NOT glue any of the joints. Just tapping them in tightly with a mallet is usually plenty to keep them from coming apart. This way you can easily make changes in the future without having to replace everything. If you are worried about leaks at the joints, you can always caulk outside with a cheap latex caulk. I did that on my original setup but when I redid all of my ducting a few years ago, I did not mess with it and none of my joints leak.

I agree with JT on the 90 degree bends. Try to avoid them at all costs. Here is a general pic of my shop with piping. Just showing to to give you some ideas. My ducting is primarily 6" with 4" drops at the machines but the ideas are all the same. Reading the link JT provided is the best suggestion.

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I can only wish I had a shop that size:rolleyes: Like i said grounding is debatable at best. I realize size and volume play important rolls but my motto is always err on the side of caution and would never tell anyone to not do it. Your shop is so small it would take no effort at all to do some sort of grounding. I do not know where your located and what your humidity levels are but those are factors also. Dry air to begin with is an ingredient along with the dry materials you are drawing through there.

I was also going to suggest not gluing the joints because with PVC it is pretty tight joints to begin with and yes some caulk or duct tape will seal if need be.

One other thing to make note of because I think you mentioned it was you are putting the dust collector in another room. That is a nice feature but beware of where you put it and things to consider. ease of cleaning, noise, dust escaping from it and believe me that does happen, and also air flow. These are things you should find somewhere in that article.

Good luck and you are doing a good thing to help yourself enjoy the hobby even more so.
 
Thank you folks for all the suggestions! This was very helpful.

The joints will be easy to switch out to eliminate choke points and have smoother transitions. I'll ponder/research the static issue, and pressure fit the tubes!!!

It's nice to have advisors that have done this before. :highfive:

Oh... Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays!!!
 
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