I don't see any losers here! Very nice pens and I learned a very long time ago to never quit. You quit you give up. You for sure shouldn't give up. I've been doing this wood stuff for well over 40 years and had a lot of really crappy stuff that I ended up throwing in the scrap wood bin. But I'm still at it and will be until I can't possibly do it anymore. So...NO LOSERS HERE.