Pen_Turner_Dan
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Scam or real? I found websites that sell real, giant tusks for thousands of dollars, but I am after a few chunks for guitar knobs. What's a good website and how do I know I am not getting scammed?
Mammoth Ivory
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Muggsy1776
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Contact Alaska Horn & Antler- 38778 Sterling Hwy Soldotna, AK 99669
(907) 262-9759
When I was up there I came across this little shop and it is FULL of rocks, fossils, antlers, etc. I bought a small piece of mammoth ivory for pens (that I have yet to make). I bought antlers and soapstone and shipped it back just to make pens from.
(907) 262-9759
When I was up there I came across this little shop and it is FULL of rocks, fossils, antlers, etc. I bought a small piece of mammoth ivory for pens (that I have yet to make). I bought antlers and soapstone and shipped it back just to make pens from.
Pen_Turner_Dan
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How was the pricing? Small shop you say?
Joe Burns
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Pen_Turner_Dan
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Not sure why it's called "fossil mammoth" and says it's softer. Idk I'm not into buying from a commercial site. :/
Haynie
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PM RickP
Pen_Turner_Dan
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Did, is he a seller?
Pen_Turner_Dan
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Okay topic switch, Narwhal, good for pens?
PTsideshow
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CITES
the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora, also known as the Washington Convention.
It is estimated that 46,750 mammoths have been excavated during the first 250 years since the Russian occupation of Siberia.
In the early 19th century mammoth ivory was used, as substantial source, for such products as piano keys, billiard balls, and ornamental boxes.
Some estimates suggest that 10 million mammoths still remain buried in Siberia.
It can vary in color, depending on where and what minerals are in the earth. I have some that is dark grey and other that is a very nice aged yellow. Since the fossilized materials are from extinct animals they are not lited, and therefore not subject to the CITES treaty.
Items pre treaty 1973, also can be owned , but it depends on the history of the item and the customs, or fish and wildlife agents understanding of the laws. And it can and does get messy.
Russia, Siberia is currenty the largest exporter of fossil material.
The CITES treaty of 1973 has had some changes, along with in "1997 CITES parties agreed to allow the populations of African elephants in Botswana, Namibia and Zimbabwe to be "downlisted" to Appendix Two which would allow international trade in elephant parts." You also have "designated importing country" and the exporting countries have to register their stock piles. It does get very confusing. Since Japan is the largest importer, for use in their seals etc.
Narwhal ivory
Trading continues today between Greenland and other countries, with Denmark by far being the leading purchaser.There is an international export ban of narwhal tusks from 17 Nunavut communities imposed by the Canadian federal government. The Inuit traders in this region are challenging the ban by filing an application with the Federal Court. The Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans restricts the export of narwhal tusks and other related products from these communities, including Iqaluit, the territorial capital.
Tusks in good condition are valued at up to $450 CAD per meter. The ban affects both carvings and raw tusks.
The Canadian government has stated that if it fails to restrict export of narwhal tusks, then the international community might completely ban exports under CITES.
Tusks are still allowed to be traded within Canada.
Here is The US treaty Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:
Ivory Identification Guide - U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Forensics Laboratory is INTRODUCTION TO THE IVORY IDENTIFICATION GUIDE
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the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora, also known as the Washington Convention.
It is estimated that 46,750 mammoths have been excavated during the first 250 years since the Russian occupation of Siberia.
In the early 19th century mammoth ivory was used, as substantial source, for such products as piano keys, billiard balls, and ornamental boxes.
Some estimates suggest that 10 million mammoths still remain buried in Siberia.
It can vary in color, depending on where and what minerals are in the earth. I have some that is dark grey and other that is a very nice aged yellow. Since the fossilized materials are from extinct animals they are not lited, and therefore not subject to the CITES treaty.
Items pre treaty 1973, also can be owned , but it depends on the history of the item and the customs, or fish and wildlife agents understanding of the laws. And it can and does get messy.
Russia, Siberia is currenty the largest exporter of fossil material.
The CITES treaty of 1973 has had some changes, along with in "1997 CITES parties agreed to allow the populations of African elephants in Botswana, Namibia and Zimbabwe to be "downlisted" to Appendix Two which would allow international trade in elephant parts." You also have "designated importing country" and the exporting countries have to register their stock piles. It does get very confusing. Since Japan is the largest importer, for use in their seals etc.
Narwhal ivory
Trading continues today between Greenland and other countries, with Denmark by far being the leading purchaser.There is an international export ban of narwhal tusks from 17 Nunavut communities imposed by the Canadian federal government. The Inuit traders in this region are challenging the ban by filing an application with the Federal Court. The Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans restricts the export of narwhal tusks and other related products from these communities, including Iqaluit, the territorial capital.
Tusks in good condition are valued at up to $450 CAD per meter. The ban affects both carvings and raw tusks.
The Canadian government has stated that if it fails to restrict export of narwhal tusks, then the international community might completely ban exports under CITES.
Tusks are still allowed to be traded within Canada.
Here is The US treaty Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:
Ivory Identification Guide - U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Forensics Laboratory is INTRODUCTION TO THE IVORY IDENTIFICATION GUIDE
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Muggsy1776
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@pen_turner_dan I paid probably $30-50 for a scrap end that was left over from someone else's jewelry project. It's big enough for a wall street, or the top to a Jr Gent. It's not cheap but it's not very expensive.
Ankrom Exotics
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Probably not a scam. I see entire tusks routinely at knife shows and they can cost many thousands of dollars.
For smaller quantities you might try Fine Turnage Productions.
www.fineturnage.com
For smaller quantities you might try Fine Turnage Productions.
www.fineturnage.com
Rick P
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Materials from any endangered species are tricky and heavily overlapped as far as who has jurisdiction over them. Stock piles of some that existed before the ban are OK others aren't.
Extinct animal remains are also heavily regulated and have to come from private lands in most cases. Fossil Ivory from mammoth mastodon and walrus is legal and well within regulations as long as it is gathered properly. The hard parts of a walrus are OK as well and jaw bone is really nice to work.
Extinct animal remains are also heavily regulated and have to come from private lands in most cases. Fossil Ivory from mammoth mastodon and walrus is legal and well within regulations as long as it is gathered properly. The hard parts of a walrus are OK as well and jaw bone is really nice to work.
Pen_Turner_Dan
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Thanks guys, you all helped alot!
fitty
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+1 for Fineturnage. My father has used Charles for many years for knife blanks. Worth a look. I'll be posting two pens I recently made using mammoth ivory.
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Pen_Turner_Dan
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Sweet! Post them here! I'd love to see them!
fitty
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The first if the PSI Broadwell Art Deco FP will Buffalo Horn and Mammoth Ivory. I used some of my whiter ivory to pull the white out of the buffalo horn.
The second is a Broadwell Art Deco BP with Mammoth Ivory. This piece had more of a caramel color. I had a longer piece of a tusk, which I sanded flat and glue two pieces together.
The second is a Broadwell Art Deco BP with Mammoth Ivory. This piece had more of a caramel color. I had a longer piece of a tusk, which I sanded flat and glue two pieces together.
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Pen_Turner_Dan
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Wow, amazing. Hopefully I can create such work later on! Where did you buy it? 
fitty
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Being a knife maker, my dad had purchased around 35 lbs of mammoth ivory about 10 years back. It was expensive at the time, but is probably worth 3 to 5 times what he paid.
He sent me a few pieces for me to work with...so it was free.
He sent me a few pieces for me to work with...so it was free.
Pen_Turner_Dan
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Nice. :biggrin: Yeah I am hopefully going to have some Mammoth Ivory within the next 6 months for guitar volume knobs.
Awesome pen again!:clown:
Awesome pen again!:clown: