Lunatics have taken over!

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Well for my $.02, when we get to the point that someone is offended by the American flag, then it is time for someone to move!
It is the Christmas holiday, so I call it Christmas. We put up a Christmas tree to celebrate Christmas, so I call it a Christmas tree. Pluto did not change one iota when we stopped calling it a planet.
Now let's all chill out and get out in the shop and turn some nice looking pens!
 
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Keith if your would learn to read you will see that I never called you stupid but if the hat fits wear it, I only stated that before posting know the facts because perpetrating a hoax won't do anyone of us any good it just divides us more. Your so way out of line when you managed to totally discuss me by calling into play with words like stupid, unintelligent when all was said do you believe all you hear and read, that asked a question but if you think it means your stupid that it must be. When some one calls me stupid for defending my President against a hoax it just shows that my saying is totally correct you can't be fixed. When George W. Jr. was president I also defended him from the ignorant people that called him names, said he was less then intelligent and he was nothing but a reformed alcoholic, he was our duly elected President and as an American I will stand by both Republican and Democrat alike, do I have to agree with all they say and do absolutely not, but I will make damn sure of myself before I show bias and your bias is evident in every word written by you....Yes again I say read my signature line it fits you to a tee.
 
W3DRM said:
Well, with your post it becomes crystal clear that your feelings and political beliefs come from the liberal side of things. Being that this is America you are FREE to do that BUT, don't put everyone who has an opposite side of the aisle belief, in the category of being stupid. I find your statement to be insulting to my intelligence. If you were to take the time to LISTEN to both sides of the issues, you just might learn something and change your mind about some of the issues this country is currently challenged with. Perhaps you feel threatened by the "right wing" ideology of smaller and less power for the government.

This country was built by individuals NOT GOVERNMENT beaucracy. This country is what it is today because of individual accomplishments NOT BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION in every aspect of our lives. We, as American citizens, can and have built a nation that does very well when the FREE WILL of its citizens are allowed to run their businesses and lives without GOVERNMENT DICTATES.

Plainly put, the GOVERNMENT has NEVER successfully run anything efficiently! Just look at Social Security, Medicare and any other GOVERNMENT run entity and you will find it has failed miserably. Why? Because POLITICIANS are NOT BUSINESSMEN/WOMEN and never will be. As another example - do you remember a few years ago there was a huge uproar over the GOVERNMENT putting restrictions on everything manufactured that could be picked up by a child - even our pens and pencils. It was a knee-jerk reaction by the GOVERNMENT (to a lobbyist group) over some Chinese imports of childrens toys. The GOVERNMENT decided it HAD TO CONTROL ALL MANUFACTURING of anything that a child may be able to pick up. Now, that was pretty silly (in your words) when you think about the ramifications of such a law that was quickly put together. The politicians didn't even give a single thought to how it would impact the US manufacturing community. They only wanted to REACT to a perceived problem. I don't know what happened to that proposed law but it is just another example of how our politicians try to get involved with and control everything we do.

As the right-wing conservatives have been saying for many many years, let the private sector develop and run healthcare and private businesses without GOVERNMENT intervention and we will once again flourish as a nation.

The last I heard, the politicians we have elected are supposed to be there to "serve the people" and to do their will, NOT TO DICTATE THEIR OWN WILLS ON THE PEOPLE. When the politicians call us "UNAMERICAN" when we peacably assemble to protest something we, as citizens don't agree with, it's way past time for a major CHANGE in our political representatives - THEY have lost touch with the will of the American public - you and me...

Again, I quote from our own Constitution...
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You are completely mistaken in your assumptions about me, but I don't have time or inclination to go through all of this nonsense.
 
OKLAHOMAN said:
Keith if your would learn to read you will see that I never called you stupid but if the hat fits wear it, I only stated that before posting know the facts because perpetrating a hoax won't do anyone of us any good it just divides us more. Your so way out of line when you managed to totally discuss me by calling into play with words like stupid, unintelligent when all was said do you believe all you hear and read, that asked a question but if you think it means your stupid that it must be. When some one calls me stupid for defending my President against a hoax it just shows that my saying is totally correct you can't be fixed. When George W. Jr. was president I also defended him from the ignorant people that called him names, said he was less then intelligent and he was nothing but a reformed alcoholic, he was our duly elected President and as an American I will stand by both Republican and Democrat alike, do I have to agree with all they say and do absolutely not, but I will make damn sure of myself before I show bias and your bias is evident in every word written by you....Yes again I say read my signature line it fits you to a tee.
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I blocked signature lines because I think they are frivolous, so I won't be reading yours and do not give a merry damn what it says. Thanks for your input. You say one thing, then when challenged, say something different. Whatever. Have a nice day.

You know that this thread has gotten whacked out beyond all reasonability when some goofball accuses me of being a liberal.
 
Somewhere along the way DOING THE RIGHT THING was overtaken by DOING WHAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO and thanks to our increasingly litigous society, everyone is afraid of not being politically correct......
Sad, very sad.
 
Rights, rights rights. Too many rights and not enough responsibility or respect.

Get a load of this: At a school in Sydney, Australia, A gang of young Muslim thugs (9-10 year olds), abused threatened and chased a fellow student of Greek background because he was eating a salami sandwich during Ramadin!. This was an insult to Allah.

The ring leader of this posse was suspended. I wonder what the further consequences will be??
 
Texatdurango said:
Man............ has this thread gotten derailed!
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Sorry Sir, This thread was derailed from the very first post.

Both you and I have been around long enough to know that threads like this usually go south very quickly. We have not learned from history so we must repeat it again and again.

It has been a few weeks since there was a real knock down drag out flamewar on the site so I guess the time is due for another one.



One reason why I listen to music on the way home.............


"I can tell my brother by the flowers in his eyes, On the road to Shambala
I can tell my sister by the flower in her ear, On the road to Shambala"
 
WOW.... Why are all of you so mad? You woke up today, have a home, and a computer on which your typing on, and own shoes, and I bet a car. Thats better than 2/3 of the world's population. Calm down and turn some pens my friends. :)
 
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mywoodshopca said:
Edit: Read a few of the latest posts, and see where its going off track. My post was responding to the origional post on page 1 by George.
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Conversations in a forum have a way of doing that.. come to think of it,
so do conversations in person. If discussion was forbidden, it would be
posted in a blog rather than on a forum.
 
jkeithrussell said:
You are completely mistaken in your assumptions about me, but I don't have time or inclination to go through all of this nonsense.
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If my assumptions was incorrect, I am sorry. However, they were based on your own words which seem to indicate you are a liberal. If not, then you are most certainly talking like one when you use words such as "the evil right wing media..." and "thoughts are dictated by talk radio or (gasp!) Fox News...".

I my opinion, those are not comments from a conservative-minded individual. So, I'm confused as to "what" your real position is relative to the subject. I do agree that folks have jumped to some conclusions in responding to the posts in this thread and that they should do some research before touting something as being the truth.

jkeithrussell said:
I don't have time or inclination to go through all of this nonsense.
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Aha, yet another very interesting phenomenum I have observed when talking with liberals is that they absolutely detest being challenged or questioned about why they feel the way they do about a subject. It seems to be beneath them to enter into any discussion that may put them on the defensive. They label it as "nonsense" or "I don't have time". Several of my personal friends at home are very liberal but refuse to sit down and discuss any of their views on political matters. But, it's okay when they blast away at me and others. I don't understand why there is this double standard...

I'll bet you will never hear or read the article that Fred posted regarding the impact of Muslims in England and Europe in the mainstream media. Before posting this reply I searched for "Geert Wilders" name on FOX News, NBC, ABC and CBS. Guess what? - of all the US news sites I searched only that "evil" Fox News had any hits on his name. Fox returned 109 hits but none of the other mainstream media outlets showed anything. Sorry, I am wrong, the NY Times website did have an article on him and about how he was banned from the UK due to his radical position on Islam. There were numerous other hits from the BBC and UK based sites. He was banned from England for a period of time because it was felt his platform was dangerous to the public and would incite unrest amongst the Islamic population in England. I have several friends in England who are scared to death of what they are seeing and what is happening in their own country before their own eyes there.

And yes, this thread is getting pretty bizarre but it is really showing the amount of frustration going on both here and abroad. People are beginning to wake up and see what has been happening around them and they don't like what they see.

Anyway, I'm going back to turning (probably at 10,000rpm to get rid of some of my frustrations...) :wink:
 
Don -- I wasn't going to post any more to this thread, but I want to save you from further embarassment. It's called sarcasm. If you would take a moment to read the entire post, in context, you would see that it is a sarcastic comment. I am not a liberal, and I do not need your lectures about the merits of liberalism versus conservatism. I am probably the most conservative person you could ever hope to meet. Now, I'm officially done with this thread.
 
mywoodshopca said:
True.. but some say some stuff online they wouldnt say to the persons face.. that will never change until a way is developed to be able to smack someone upside the head through their monitor :biggrin:
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You don't have a "Pimp Slap" key on your keyboard? The one that makes
the boxing glove come out of the other person's monitor?

Oh wait .. that's Windows 9
 
I have read this forum and I find many of the comments insulting and absolutely political. I find the slams about liberalism offensive, I find the insinuations about conservatism offensive. I thought that this was about pen turning, not how to dictate what other people do, think or are. It is stuff like this that makes me move away from participating. Some of the comments made me very sad that some people cannot see beyond the labels and accept each of us as good, genuine, honest people.
 
nava1uni said:
I have read this forum and I find many of the comments insulting and absolutely political. I find the slams about liberalism offensive, I find the insinuations about conservatism offensive. I thought that this was about pen turning, not how to dictate what other people do, think or are. It is stuff like this that makes me move away from participating. Some of the comments made me very sad that some people cannot see beyond the labels and accept each of us as good, genuine, honest people.
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I am aware that it is casual conversation, but I did not know that it was about slamming others, being insulting and generally mean spirited with differing opinions.
 
nava1uni said:
I am aware that it is casual conversation, but I did not know that it was about slamming others, being insulting and generally mean spirited with differing opinions.
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Yes, I am aware as well that some people get heated about topics, but that is why this forum is here for things non-pen turning related. As Jeff has stated previously you can block specific forums from showing to you if you do not like what you read in these forums.

Not everyone will agree on everything every single time. That is what makes this country great. We can all agree to disagree and debate things. While it is sad that things sometimes degrade to the point of namecalling, well...that happens in real life and on forums too.
 
bobleibo said:
everyone is afraid of not being politically correct......
Sad, very sad.
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I agree, it is very sad. But, that definitely doesn't apply to everyone!!!!!!
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There is a vast difference between being respectful and honorable versus being politically correct!!!!
 
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Texatdurango said:
Man............ has this thread gotten derailed!

You know, I really don't think the problem I stated in the original post has that much to do with whichever political party is in office, it's about having too many out of work, desperate and hungry lawers! :eek:

Take a typical school district where perhaps 5,000 kids attend school. Of that number let's say 17 are from a middle eastern country with different religious views than Christianity.

All it takes is one or two of those parents to raise cain with the school board about how their "Rights" are being ignored by having their kiddies exposed to "Christmas"!

Of course it doesn't take much for these parents to find a hungry lawer willing to take ANY case to put money in his/her pocket even if their case goes against what they themselves personally believe.

And the school districts are probably so concerned over budgets, the last thing they want to do is spend more on legal fees fighting these ridiculous law suits or threats of law suits that they just cave in to the .0000236% of the population and pass these pathetic rules!

THAT is where I am coming from.... has nothing to with Obama or the constitution and I really don't see an easy answer other than making each state require lawers to take and pass a few ethics and morals classes before allowing them to hang up a shingle. Some of these law suits these days are way out there!
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George, it isn't fair to pick on lawyers like that!
Just remember that 99.5% of them give all the rest of them a bad name! :biggrin:


(Before I receive the wrath of attorneys or those connected to attorneys, please remember that dentists get picked on all the time too. :rolleyes::biggrin::rolleyes:)
 
I didn't read every post on this thread... I would be reading into next week, but I did read enough to note that in this country, which I love and would never want to live anywhere else, the squeaky wheel get the grease.... if you make enough noise, you get heard, while the silent majority (who has the most power if it were used) says nothing.

This country was established on the rights of the individual to live his life as he saw fit, as long as it did not infringe on the rights of your neighbor.
 
TellicoTurning said:
I didn't read every post on this thread... I would be reading into next week, but I did read enough to note that in this country, which I love and would never want to live anywhere else, the squeaky wheel get the grease.... if you make enough noise, you get heard, while the silent majority (who has the most power if it were used) says nothing.

This country was established on the rights of the individual to live his life as he saw fit, as long as it did not infringe on the rights of your neighbor.
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That is part of the problem, we sit back being decent folks thinking the world will respect us for it while the .0000045% walk all over us with their demands and the sad part is that they are getting regulations changed, laws passed, amendments added to just about every bit of legislation we have and before you know it our first graders will be replacing their Dick and Jane books with a fresh copy of "Koran 101 - it's a good thing" as a way of showing our tolerance to others!

If you think it can't happen.... sit back and watch! I doubt 20 years ago anyone would have thought that being bi-lingual would be a prerequisite to teaching in Texas since so many students can't speak english was far fetched but look at what the various school districts are doing now.
 
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I think this discussion has about played itself out. I'm closing this thread. Complain to me by PM if that bothers you.
 
Dear IAP...

I am sorry this thread went on as long as it did. I had the opportunity to go out of town to go deer hunting and have been gone since last Thursday at noon. I just got back and saw all of the hate and venom in this thread. I apologize that I was not here to put things back on track a LOT sooner before some got slammed and others got thier feelings hurt. Stuff like this DOES NOT BELONG ON IAP! Please think about things before hitting the submit button. Most of the stuff that went on in this thread did not accomplish anything except to cause hard feelings. Thanks for your consideration in the future.

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