Kitless pen threading

[dplloyd]

My question, what size tap and die are people using for the kitless pens? Can you provide some pointers? And lastly, is there a tutorial out there somewhere?

Thanks in advance!

 

[creativewriting]

The Library will have everything you need. Several good articles and full lists of what you will need to get started.

 

[hard hat]

Here's something I've compiled

Thread sizes for pens
Cigar nib and finial - M8x0.75
Cigar transmission - M8x0.5
Jr Gent feed holder - M6.4x0.75
El Grande/ Churchill cap threads - M12x0.8x3
El Grande/ Churchill section - M10x1.0
Schmidt roller/small FP feeds - M6.4x0.5
Large FP feeds - M8.4x0.75
Meisternib - M7.4x0.5
Baron/Navigator front end - M8.4x1.0
Sierra/wall street transmission - M8.5x1.0
Richard Greenwald click transmission - M7x0.75

Also, M12x0.75 and M12x0.8x3 are used for a lot of cap threads and M9x0.75 for finials and sections. Really it's about what fits for the design you want

 

[Displaced Canadian]

There is a tutorial in the library. The best way is to do a little research and just dive in. What kind if pens are you thinking of trying first? I think a good die holder is a necessity. The spring loaded thingy to help stabilize the tap tool is nice as well.

 

[edstreet]

My question, what size tap and die are people using for the kitless pens? Can you provide some pointers? And lastly, is there a tutorial out there somewhere?

Thanks in advance!

For some reason everyone seems to get hung up on the tap/die issue. To be truthful and honest from what I have seen so far it is the #1 hindrance for turners to branch into that section.

What I would suggest is find a nib that you want to build around and work from there. At most you will need 2 sizes, one tap for the nib and one tap/die for the cap. The clip you can use the same tap/die as the cap threads.

Many will give you a huge list of tap/die sizes but once you realize that companies plays the tooling game to keep repeat business, i.e. job security, you start to see how simple it really is.

 

[Bruce markwardt]

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What I would suggest is find a nib that you want to build around and work from there. At most you will need 2 sizes, one tap for the nib and one tap/die for the cap. The clip you can use the same tap/die as the cap threads.

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While I agree completely with this approach (I use a #5 Bock), I think you will need 3 sizes, not 2. You will need a tap for the feed. You will need a tap and die for the nib section to the barrel. I suggest 10mmX1.0. This tap and die can also be used for the finial to hold the clip, assuming you use a clip. You will need a tap and die for the cap to the barrel. I suggest a 12mmX.75.

The tap for the feed is an odd size and you will likely need to buy that from a pen supplier. The others are standard sizes and available from multiple suppliers on the internet. Victornet is who I've used.

 

[edstreet]

What I would suggest is find a nib that you want to build around and work from there. At most you will need 2 sizes, one tap for the nib and one tap/die for the cap. The clip you can use the same tap/die as the cap threads.

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While I agree completely with this approach (I use a #5 Bock), I think you will need 3 sizes, not 2. You will need a tap for the feed. You will need a tap and die for the nib section to the barrel. I suggest 10mmX1.0. This tap and die can also be used for the finial to hold the clip, assuming you use a clip. You will need a tap and die for the cap to the barrel. I suggest a 12mmX.75.

The tap for the feed is an odd size and you will likely need to buy that from a pen supplier. The others are standard sizes and available from multiple suppliers on the internet. Victornet is who I've used.[/QUOTE]

I only use 2 sizes feed size and cap size. No need for a 3rd size but that is design specific to be honest.

 

[Displaced Canadian]

I use 9x1 and 12x1. They work fine for #5 nibs. If you go bigger it wouldn't hurt to go with a finer thread just to leave a little more materiel where it all comes together. I spent the money for the taps for the nibs, I use Bock. You can get by without them by using a drop of shellac but I sleep better knowing that mine are held in by threads. I just got done with a fountain pen, I write notes as I go. If you want I could send you a copy.

 

[Eddie Scott]

Displaced Canadian

Can you please send me a copy as well and then the big question , where did you by your bock nibs and nib holders as i really want to start kit less pens , I live in South Africa and struggle to get going. I have a metal Lathe as i make knives as well , just need the right equipment/tooling for a first kit less pen to get me started. Any help will be appreciated. Metric taps and dies should be available locally , but first need to know what will work before i buy , would like to go for bock nibs as well.
Thanks

eddie scott

 

[mredburn]

http://content.penturners.org/library/general_reference/taps_dies_kitless.pdf
-as a begining, as well there are tutorials under the PEN section of the Library.

classicnib.com for Bock

Meisternib.com for Jowo

 

[dplloyd]

Thanks for the replies all. After Christmas is through this will be my next project attempt.

Hey Monty, any local meetings on the horizon? Maybe this is a good subject to explore?