1JaredSchmidt
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My dad and I have been thinking of getting a bigger lathe. Is this lathe a good choice? Thanks! http://www.grizzly.com/products/Variable-Speed-Lathe/G0456
Originally posted by 1JaredSchmidt
Why is that Ron?
Originally posted by 1JaredSchmidt
Why is that Ron?
Originally posted by Rifleman1776
Originally posted by 1JaredSchmidt
Why is that Ron?
Because I recommended them.
Originally posted by Ron in Drums PA
Originally posted by 1JaredSchmidt
Why is that Ron?
There is a reason why Grizzly has good customer service, they need it.
* The fit on their lathes are sloppy out of the box
* The hole in the banjo for the tool rest is undersized, so you will not be able to upgrade to a better tool rest.
* I've heard many people who have owned Grizzlys that they would never buy another lathe from them again. I've never heard anyone ever say this about a Nova, Jet, Rikon or Powermatic.
Originally posted by Rifleman1776
Originally posted by 1JaredSchmidt
Why is that Ron?
Because I recommended them.
Nothing personal Frank, I just disagree with the advice you give. There have been times I agreed with you, but you seem to forget that.
The guy runs a more American company than many "American" companies can claim to be anymore. By this I'm talking about the overall company, not the place were things are made. Once upon a time, "Made in America" meant quality and service (the reason I drive a 40 year old AMERICAN truck), now for the most part it's a bad joke.Originally posted by Rifleman1776
Not stated here, I'm not trying to put words into Ron's mouth. But, some people have told me they hate the Grizzly company because of the name of the owner (hope I spell it right) Shiraz Bilola. He is of mid-eastern ethnicity (Iraq or Iran). To some people that justifies hate. As I see it, he has become an American and an American success story. He supports conservative political issues, including the 2nd Amendment. His company exudes good service, good products, great value, friendliness and the essence of free enterprise. If you hate that, well, that's your problem.
Originally posted by Kalai
I tried a grizzly lathe about 7 years ago I think, I did not get there top lathe but I did not get the cheapest either, anyway when I got it I was very unhappy, it was a piece of junk, so I got grizzlys top of the line lathe and that was junk too. I must say that the lathes they have now look better and I have heard some good things about them, it looks like it might be a good lathe to get but I have not tried any of there newer lathes but I must say you can not beat Powermatic or General, I have both of them and they are great, I also have delta and rockwell lathes and they are good too. it all depends on what you are going to turn, I make a living turning so I need good lathes and I have tried many different lathes and turned thousands of bowls, I hope you find my input usefull, aloha.
Kalai
Originally posted by Rifleman1776
Would you please be specific about the "junk" comment?
And, it should be pointed out there are thousands of dollars difference in the prices of the Griz and PM or General.
Originally posted by Kalai
Hi, I did not like the motor, it was not a continous duty and not very strong (reminded me of sears maximum developed motors), the tool rest was to small and the cast iron it was made from striped to easyly after tightening, the cast iron over all seemed not very good, it is easy to damage compared to some other cast iron I have had, the tail stock is not acurate, and after trying the top of the line model I found myself wanting to go back to my old delta and rockwell or even a sears lathe. Remember I do a lot more bowls than pens and like I said they seem to be a bit better now, atleast they look like they are made better now but I still will not buy another one to find out. I find it better in the long run to spend a bit more money in the begining to get good tools. This is my opinion and it is based on there older grizly lathes NOT the newer ones, and I should point out that I was surprised and just figured that grizly was just starting out in the wood lathe aspect and needed to learn a bit, because before I had the grizly lathes I had a sander and planer and was satisfied, I also seen and used the 14" bandsaw and it seemed good too.[8D] aloha.
Chris
Kalai
Yeah, some can, others would only be buying maybe a d0zen of any tool, so no, they would not and they are the one's I think make the "better" product. Leerjet for example doesn't make 10000 jets a year with the kind of interiors that scream over the top excellence (burl woods all over the place), but the ones they do make are prestine.Originally posted by Ron in Drums PA
[Russianwolf
These big companies you listed not only have buying power, they can demand certain specs on the equipment they purchase and reject containers full of equipment that isn't to spec. Don't be fooled into thinking that they are buying the same product as we can though the catalog.
Originally posted by Kalai
Hi Frank, that is a nice offer, I will take you up on that if I ever visit your area. If you ever come to the Big island of Hawaii I hope you look me up, aloha.
Chris
Kalai
i agree. had one, never again. got rid of it as fast as i could.Originally posted by Ron in Drums PA
Originally posted by 1JaredSchmidt
Why is that Ron?
There is a reason why Grizzly has good customer service, they need it.
* The fit on their lathes are sloppy out of the box
* The hole in the banjo for the tool rest is undersized, so you will not be able to upgrade to a better tool rest.
* I've heard many people who have owned Grizzlys that they would never buy another lathe from them again. I've never heard anyone ever say this about a Nova, Jet, Rikon or Powermatic.
Originally posted by Rifleman1776
Originally posted by 1JaredSchmidt
Why is that Ron?
Because I recommended them.
Nothing personal Frank, I just disagree with the advice you give. There have been times I agreed with you, but you seem to forget that.
there are exceptions to every rule.Originally posted by Ron in Drums PA
I firmly believe that you get what you pay for. Sometimes the cheapest product will wind up costing you more in the long run in either down time or upgrade. Of course a tape measure is a tape measure no matter where you buy it from.
BTW - Martin Guitars was once on Grizzly's list on companies, I wonder why they are no longer present.
I know there are people who purchase only on price and then justify what they buy as the "best deal"
Originally posted by loglugger
I get really tired of hearing "you get what you pay for" anyone that pays quite a bit less for anything is taking a chance that it is going to have something not up to par. There are some really good buys that with a little adjusting and fine tuning you will have a tool as good as the best of them. If you don't know anything about machinery then you should pay the price and get a good one out of the box, if you are willing to take the time and do the adjusting and fine tuning you can make a good tool out of some of the cheaper not so good tools.
Bob
Originally posted by Ron in Drums PA
I firmly believe that you get what you pay for. Sometimes the cheapest product will wind up costing you more in the long run in either down time or upgrade. Of course a tape measure is a tape measure no matter where you buy it from.
BTW - Martin Guitars was once on Grizzly's list on companies, I wonder why they are no longer present.
I know there are people who purchase only on price and then justify what they buy as the "best deal"
Originally posted by Ron in Drums PA
Originally posted by loglugger
I get really tired of hearing "you get what you pay for" anyone that pays quite a bit less for anything is taking a chance that it is going to have something not up to par. There are some really good buys that with a little adjusting and fine tuning you will have a tool as good as the best of them. If you don't know anything about machinery then you should pay the price and get a good one out of the box, if you are willing to take the time and do the adjusting and fine tuning you can make a good tool out of some of the cheaper not so good tools.
Bob
What a sad state of affairs.
Is this what consumer expectations have fallen to in this country?
We buy something new than have to fix it before we can use it?
I don't know about you folks, but this scares the bejabbers out of me.
Originally posted by Russianwolf
there are exceptions to every rule.
I've used tablesaws that ranged in price from $100-2000. The $2000 saws are very nice, but the saw I have cost $300 new (Ryobi) and provides beautiful, repeatable cuts on everything I use it for. I've even resawn 16/4 Wenge with it and while not the fastest on the cut, it did a great job of making an overlapped cut that only needed light sanding to smooth to a glue joint. I'll replace it at some point, but the replacement will be a $3k+ Euro style saw (reason, nothing else offers the features to replace my current saw's features).
I also have a Hitachi 12 inch bandsaw that you would be hard pressed to beat for anything less than three times the price. I can even put a riser block in to to raise the max cut to about 11 inches. The only thing I wish it could do is take a nice thick resaw blade, but for $115 hey, I can forgive that.
You can't account for the stupidity of stasis symbolsWanna compare the "get what you pay for" of the $20,000 Jeep Wrangler and a $100,000 Hummer H1?
and even the best of machines need to have a periodic tune up. vibrations and other bumps and things knock them out of alignment and simple wear also. There isn't a machine available that's an out of the box flawless machine and will stay that way forever.Originally posted by loglugger
quote Ron, What a sad state of affairs.
Is this what consumer expectations have fallen to in this country?
We buy something new than have to fix it before we can use it?
I don't know about you folks, but this scares the bejabbers out of me.
Ron, if I can save money with some adjustment and fine tunning them I will do it. Like I said if you don't have very much experince with the machine you are buying then it would be better to spend the money.
Bob
Originally posted by loglugger
Ron, if I can save money with some adjustment and fine tunning them I will do it. Like I said if you don't have very much experince with the machine you are buying then it would be better to spend the money.
Originally posted by Russianwolfand even the best of machines need to have a periodic tune up. vibrations and other bumps and things knock them out of alignment and simple wear also. There isn't a machine available that's an out of the box flawless machine and will stay that way forever.
Originally posted by wizical
after reading all of these posts and seeing what everyone has gone through with their equipment. this is just my opinion....If you have to call a company over and over again cause your equipment is failing, and they do it with a smile, that tells me their customer service might be great, but their equipment must not be first rate. there is nothing wrong with calling them every so often, but if you have to call them repeatedly to have something fix, you need to get some new equipment. And yes, it should work right out of the box, sometimes you need to fine tune, but not call the companies customer service as soon as you get it.
I own a NOVA DVR XP Lathe and within the two months, the motherboard was fried. They replaced it with no problem and that is what happens with electronics, but if I have to call them over and over again about this lathe. Then I would have them replace the whole thing or refund my money. but that is my opinion and words.