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If you are JUST going to do mandrel turning and you plan on getting a drill press, you won't need a chuck. I went without for some time. I bought the Teknatool Supernova 2, a solid chuck for a mini lathe. I do small bowls on it, as well as drilling when I need extra precision (had to buy pin jaws though, which were $50 themselves!).

The mandrels are all pretty similar, whether you get them from Woodcraft or Arizona Silhouette or Bear Tooth Woods or PSI. Just get the regular mandrel, not the 'adjustable' one. Make sure it fits your lathe (MT#2 for the jet).
 
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Craigslist has great deals every so often. OLDER craftsman tools are a good buy the newer ones are crappy. A good table saw and some jigs makes life a lot easier when doing segmenting work. A work bench made from an old solid core door works well for assembly and smaller tools. Look around a lot of the things you will need hit the trash every day. (dumpster diving can be very rewarding) I have gotten a lot of walnut, black ash, oak, and other wood free. Check other web sites Lumberjocks has a man selling mahogany for $.10 a pound. Shop freugal and then as you get better buy better.
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Thanks for the additional advice

I will likely start with Pens and move up from there. I dont mind spending even $100 a month its just the initial spending that will be big and I want to make sure I get a majority of what I need.

Once I am ready to buy Ill probably hit up the pawn shops that are on my drive home from work and hit up craigs list and ebay as well.
 

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My long answer to what can be a complicated question

I approached starting up the same way that you are. I spent about three weeks reading many posts here to determine what people used and like and the various techniques that were being used and then came up with my own mix. I really wanted to get started, but wanted to minimize the cost where possible.

This forum and its many contributors was invaluable to me, so I will take the time to reciprocate by offering my advice and how I solved the same problem you're facing. By the way, it isn't a problem, but rather just the somewhat puzzling beginning of something you will enjoy for a lifetime! Whatever you buy, you will someday find something you want or like better to replace it, but buying the best of everything up front can be daunting.

The lathe is the centerpiece of it all in my mind, so I didn't skimp here - I bought a Jet Mini lathe with variable speed and have NO regrets. The on/off switch failed after 1 year (likely due to my wet fingers), but under the 5-year warranty, Jet quickly replaced the part. Who gives a 5 year warranty these days? I made an extremely sturdy stand for it using an ~11" * 4' oak stair tread (sold at Home Depot) and 4"x4" fir posts for the legs/cross pieces and bolted it to the wall in my shop for greater stability (it was already very stable). If you don't have a saw, such stores will make one or two cuts for you, and you might get them to make a few extra just by asking.

I already had a miter saw and use that to cut my blanks - a hand saw would do if you want to put off a saw purchase (SERIOUSLY). I INVESTED in a Bealle collet system. I turn my blanks between centers (at HIGH speed) down to the diameter of one of the collets for this system (usually the 3/4"). If you miss the 3/4" stop, you have to turn down to the 5/8". I then insert the blank into the collet and drill (at LOW speed) using a drill bit and chuck mounted in the tail stock. The drill (not rotating) is moved slowly into the blank and if all is lined up, it is extremely precise (MUST have the turned blank inserted straight into the collet). I use the collet system to hold the barrel trimmer as well. Although some do this strictly by hand, I usually do it at HIGH speed, stopping just short of hitting the tube, and will then do the rest by hand.

I use the lathe for pen assembly as well. I used to use the mandrel and bushings to hold the pen body and would press the parts on using a piece of wood between it and the tail stock, which I could slowly turn, but recently came across this ultimate assembly tool, which I now use exclusively and like very much (so I will plug it again):

http://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/s...en_Ultimate_Assembly_Tool___pen_ultimate?Args=

I initially started out with a cheap 3 tool set (gouge, skew and parting tool) from Woodcraft, but much later bought a 6 piece set by Penn State (also cheap), as well as ONE expensive Sorby gouge along the way. There is no doubt that the Sorby tool is assembled in a better way than the others, but the other tools are all HSS as well and have worked very well for my purposes. Besides the way the tools are inserted into and retained in the handle, I couldn't find a reason to pay the higher price for the more expensive tools. Those with more experience and/or the true woodturners can probably give you plenty of reasons why the more expensive tools are worth the price (which I wouldn't dispute).

I can tell you that had I bought the 6 piece Benjamins Best Midi tool set (the Penn State set purchased via Amazon.com) as my first purchase, I wouldn't have needed the other 4 tools. The 6 piece set duplicates those tools and adds a couple of gouges and a scraper. The roughing gouge is excellent for taking the square blank down to a cylinder (its all in the name) and the scraper turns out (no pun intended) to be very useful/fast to get the pen blanks down near to their final size, where I then let the skew take over. I used to do much of this work with the skew and found that it took much longer to do. And sometimes, all would be going well and it would catch (because I was getting impatient or not paying attention).

As for sharpening, I haven't yet, and have made over 170 pens. I do hone before making every pen using a medium then fine honing stone. I'm sure that I would notice a difference were my tools to be truly sharpened, but if/when (likely when) I finally do that it will be using sandpaper on a flat granite surface. I'm not ready to get into the sharpener business and fear that I would be taking off way more metal than is necessary.

Good luck.

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Thanks for the detailed reply

Hey Jason thanks for the detailed nice reply.

Ive adjusted and looked around a bit more and this is what I have so far:

Lathe: http://www.amazon.com/1014VSI-10-Inc...0622841&sr=8-1 $460

Turning Tools: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47066 $45 ($25 Savings...HSS set to start with)

Sharpening: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=36799 $10 ($230 Savings!...will use these until I can upgrade to a wheel)

Drill Press: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=44505 $90

Table: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=93991 $120

Pen Blank Drilling: http://www.pennstateind.com/store/DR...cid=4026108121 $50

Mandrel: ?

Chuck: ?

Sawing: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=37022 $6 (Found one cheaper...$14 savings)

Barrel Trimming: http://yourdonspens.com/TiNTwistBit.html#Pen_Mills $15 + shipping (Thanks Alpha...$15 savings)

Sanding: http://www.pennstateind.com/store/PK...cid=4026108121 $14

http://www.pennstateind.com/store/PK...cid=4026108121 $23

Tube Insertion: http://www.pennstateind.com/store/PK...cid=4026108121 $10

Assembly Press: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=38183 $8 (ThanksAlpha...$36 savings)

Blanks: Prices vary but I will try to get a bulk deal on eBay to start with

Pen Kits: Vary, but will probably start with Slimlines

CA/BLO: Pick it up at a hobby store or Walmart

So Im looking at spending around $800 right now but think I can cut it even further. I also want to try and get an air filtration set up as well.

What else can we do to cut costs a bit?

Im looking at drilling on the lathe, so I need to ad gear for that but I am not sure exactly what I need but I know it will cut out the $90 Drill Press and $50 Blank Vice so if it can be done for under $140 it is an upgrade and saves space.

Any thoughts?
 

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I caught the drill chuck yesterday but needed to know what else I needed on the other side. It seems like the post you gave is the cheapest option I have been able to find thus far.

Still though, $90 total rather than the cost of the Drill Press and the blank vice is pretty good.

So some other equipment lists I am looking for;

Mandrel-less chuck and end and dust collection.

Also, it seems like there may be a cheaper pen tube insertion tool out there, any ideas?

Thanks for the link Alpha.
 
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Just don't knock the bottle over:tongue:

I stand all 3 open bottles in my open HF drill bit case. All the bits are on swing outs so there is nothing in the bottom to get glued, and they are confined.

The only thing that has been inadvertantly glued was a blank to a thumb. Then for 3 or so hrs I just walked around the shop like I was holding a, well, stick in my hand.
 

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Sweet that cap is free with the CA :)

Another $10 saved!

Ive been painting miniatures for years, nothing like having little metal spears stuck to your fingers for half a day.
 

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Josh,

Just some random thoughts.

Your lathe choice sounds like a good one, but I can't believe the cost. Unfortunately, last year this time it was selling for $329 at Woodcraft!

I love the miter saw, and especially the price. That's a GREAT solution.

Mandrel: I bought the adjustable one from Woodnwhimsies. You're able to quickly let out only as much mandrel as needed - great if you're making multiple pen styles.

I can't comment on the barrel trimmer you've selected; it looks like the first that I purchased, but seems to have a price that is too good to be true. I can tell you that I recently upgraded from a four blade to a six blade (from Packard Woodworks) and love it. I've never used a two blade trimmer, but imagine that it could be difficult to use. For the same reason, I think the 6 blade is smoother in its operation than the 4 blade and I rarely had any trouble with the 4 blade (but it was damaged by me by accident so needed to be replaced) - but there are 6 blades to be sharpened!

Tube insertion: I've recently switched from CA to epoxy. I hate the mess of epoxy, but have not had any of the problems I had experienced when I used CA. Since using the epoxy I have been plugging the ends of my tubes with various things (most recently Playdoh). As a result, I haven't had much use for the insertion tool (since both ends are plugged). When I used CA, you have all the time in the world to be careful (and I didn't need to plug the tubes) and the insertion tool was great to have.

Pen kits: you've probably read that Slimlines are the easiest, but for the life of me, I've never figured out why. I would argue that a pen with a one piece body is EASIER. With slimlines, you have two pieces (both of which have to be successes for the pen to be a success), that you are going to attempt to match and you will be doing a lot of turning to get them down to the final size. One mistake and you have a potentially unmatched segment looking for a twin and you may find yourself needing another tube. You will also use most of the standard size blank to make it, and if one or both are sacrificied during the turning process you may find yourself using ANOTHER blank to make another segment (non grain matched or pattern matched). In contrast, some of the single piece kits allow you to make TWO pens from one standard size blank. The slimline kits may be cheaper than most others, but that is the only advantage I can think of for starting with them. It wasn't until I turned many other single segment pens that I ever attempted a slimline, and I was glad that I hadn't started there.

Jason
 

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Jason & Josh,

I can't comment on the barrel trimmer you've selected; it looks like the first that I purchased, but seems to have a price that is too good to be true. I can tell you that I recently upgraded from a four blade to a six blade (from Packard Woodworks) and love it. I've never used a two blade trimmer, but imagine that it could be difficult to use. For the same reason, I think the 6 blade is smoother in its operation than the 4 blade and I rarely had any trouble with the 4 blade (but it was damaged by me by accident so needed to be replaced) - but there are 6 blades to be sharpened!
You can get both 4 & 6 blade heads from the member that link is from, and although it seems too good to be true, its true... He skipped the 'middleman' and is selling at much closer to cost. I can personally vouch for the person selling.. The post office ripped open a package and some of mine fell out.... And Daniel took care of it!

Pen kits: you've probably read that Slimlines are the easiest, but for the life of me, I've never figured out why. I would argue that a pen with a one piece body is EASIER. With slimlines, you have two pieces (both of which have to be successes for the pen to be a success), that you are going to attempt to match and you will be doing a lot of turning to get them down to the final size. One mistake and you have a potentially unmatched segment looking for a twin and you may find yourself needing another tube. You will also use most of the standard size blank to make it, and if one or both are sacrificied during the turning process you may find yourself using ANOTHER blank to make another segment (non grain matched or pattern matched). In contrast, some of the single piece kits allow you to make TWO pens from one standard size blank. The slimline kits may be cheaper than most others, but that is the only advantage I can think of for starting with them. It wasn't until I turned many other single segment pens that I ever attempted a slimline, and I was glad that I hadn't started there.

Slimlines are CHEAP.. The main reason that this is a reason to start there... However, this raises a good point that wasn't brought up that i recall... whatever kit you choose - GET EXTRA TUBES.. They are cheap.. So if you run out of kits, you can continue turning while waiting for more (and other reasons).

Dean
 

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I think most everything I have read has stated that they are not the easiest kit to make and being cheap was why they were so popular. Most Starter Sets come with them as well.

I will likely pick up a few kits to try out, as well as a stopper kit. Hopefully Jason wont mind too much on Sunday as I will likely have a ton of questions for him about all of this. Getting my actually hands dirty will help a lot too.
 

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Hi Josh,
When I got started turning pens, I'd seen a demo in person, talked with the turners there. I'd read a few months of stuff here and did some price comparisons. The biggest expense is the lathe. Watch the ads in your area.

As far as everything else, a lot of people sell some great stuff for reasonable prices here in our classified section. The first set of tools was an HHS from Rockler.

I didn't have a drill press or even a chuck for my lathe. I used by hand drill. I used a large clamp for my pen assembly and my buffing system was (and still is) based on the wool paint rollers sold at Lowes and Home Depot. My second purchase after a month was a skew and gouge each costing more than the initial set.

The more you turn, the more you will have a feel for what works best for you. The best thing you can do before you buy buy buy is to get together with someone in your area who may let you have a bit of hands on experience. Woodcraft stores have classes you can take part in as well.

GOOD LUCK.
 

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More research into pricing and what not

Lathe: http://www.amazon.com/1014VSI-10-Inc...0622841&sr=8-1 $460

Turning Tools: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47066 $45 ($25 Savings...HSS set to start with)

Sharpening: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=36799 $10 ($230 Savings!...will use these until I can upgrade to a wheel)

Drill Chuck: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=42340 $7

Table: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=93991 $120

Mandrel: ?

Chuck: http://www.woodcraft.com/product.aspx?ProductID=146801&FamilyID=20042 $78

Jaws: http://www.woodcraft.com/product.aspx?ProductID=146804&FamilyID=20042 $21

Sawing: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=37022 $6 (Found one cheaper...$14 savings)

Barrel Trimming: http://yourdonspens.com/TiNTwistBit.html#Pen_Mills $15 + shipping (Thanks Alpha...$15 savings)

Sanding: http://www.pennstateind.com/store/PK...cid=4026108121 $14

http://www.pennstateind.com/store/PK...cid=4026108121 $23

Tube Insertion: http://www.pennstateind.com/store/PK...cid=4026108121 $10

Assembly Press: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=38183 $8 (ThanksAlpha...$36 savings)

Blanks: Prices vary but I will try to get a bulk deal on eBay to start with

Pen Kits: Vary, but will probably start with Slimlines

CA/BLO: Pick it up at a hobby store or Walmart

I think I am pretty locked in for what I need to get started...any additional things I am missing?
 

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The only think I would change is you are MUCH better off here at IAP over ebay for blanks. There is alot of good vendors as well as there is some of us who might be willing to send you some starter stuff for just the price of shipping or not much higher than that. (I personally could send you some corian and wood for just shipping costs)... Landfilllumber would probably have a really cheap starter box ... and when you get to acrylics check out exoticblanks.com (pr_princess on here).
 

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I was looking at some bulk boxes on eBay just to burn through to practice on. I saw one auction for 150 some odd maple/oak blanks for like $11. (Cant remember exactly what kind of wood it was)
 
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I was looking at some bulk boxes on eBay just to burn through to practice on. I saw one auction for 150 some odd maple/oak blanks for like $11. (Cant remember exactly what kind of wood it was)

Make sure you check what the s&h is going to be before you bid. Several (many) people on ebay mark-up their s&h to make a profit.


On your list, I would also take a look at the Rousseau WorkBench System, from Woodcraft. You have to get a top or use some 3/4 plywood, but the bench is sturdy, and you can get the wheel kit to add later. I have my Steel City on one made with the 20" & 28" extenders and the wheel set (I have 2 little Wiltons sitting on the second shelf) so the thing will handle the load. A doubled plywood top that is cut at 24" x 40" and the 2 shelves cut to fit. The cost is about the same but you have more options. You do loose the vise, but you can add a Groz later if necessary. You can drill your own holes in the top for bench dogs.

http://www.woodcraft.com/product.aspx?ProductID=148371&FamilyID=20346
 

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My suggestion after years of making pen.
save the money on the band saw, drill press and blank vice for now and invest it in a good lathe and a Barracuda or Nova chuck with a jacobs chuck for your tail stock. drill on the lathe and you have added a lot of other features to your lathe with just this one accessories. You may even find you do not want to drill any other way. Cut blanks with a miter saw even is it is a hand one until you can get a better method. I do not like the powered miter saw for blanks but cut them with a radial arm saw all the time.
after a good lathe and a way to drill blanks I suggest just a few of the most necessary turning tools and a good method of keeping them sharp. the wolverine and tormek systems are both popular and expensive. there are knock off versions of both. I would simply tackle each purchase individually and ask questions about each here on the group. I own the Wolverine sharpening system and like it, but it is a high speed sytem and many do not like that. It makes overheating the cutting edge easier to do. I think you woudl out grow the pre drilled blanks in a hurry but they could be an answer for your first couple of dozen pens. you will soon be eying all that stufff that takes precision drilling and all that and I really think you will be a step ahead if your tool purchases are in that direction as much as possible.
Low price does not necessarily mean a cheap tool. But you do have to know what you are looking at to tell the difference. If in doubt find someone that is not to help make the final decision. nothing is worse that socking all your play money into tools and then spending all your time fighting with them.
one of P.S.I. starter set has a lathe that is the same thing as the Jet that is so popular around here. I woudl honeslty recommend you go a step or two higher in lathe sizes than the little pen lathes though. You are likely to be suprised at what you end up trying to do with it in a very short time.I personally turn pens on a 12X48 lathe. I also can turn table legs on it if I want.
 

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I just read through all this - I'm sure you've realized there's a ton of experience and wisdom to be found here - but I had to laugh given the huge amount of information you got and the subject you used for your topic...

Just a little additional 2 cents:

- Somebody recommended a diamond sharpening pad - 2nd that suggestion, it's a very inexpensive way to have an absolutely necessary sharpening capability - you can spend more later. You can also find an inexpensive set at a Woodcraft store. For a gouge you'll also need a slipstone to clean the edge up on the inside of the gouge - also inexpensive.

- I've never drilled on my lathe, and definitely should learn how - but one thing I do like is having equipment set up that I don't frequently have to reconfigure. I leave the centering vice set up on my large dp most of the time - I have a 2nd bench top dp that I leave set up for barrel trimming - the only thing I ever change on my lathe is between a mandrel for turning and a dead/live center set for applying CA finish. probably not a huge time savings if you're doing several pens at once because you can do each task for a full set of blanks and not change out constantly - but I find it very convenient.

- I think I remember you mentioned a work bench? I do my work in a small 1-car garage and need to get things out of the way quickly. An inexpensive and very flexible way to have table-top work space is to get some of the folding plastic sawhourses and just put a 2x3 or so piece of particle board between them. I also bought a stanley "fat max" utility table that also folds to about 6-7" wide. it's very stable and I use it both for the desk top dp and for a small mitre saw when i'm cutting blanks. Just a thought - big work benches are, well, big...

Anyway, have fun!!
 

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Josh,

I just received an e-mail from Jet that announced a sale on one of their $2,000 lathes (not right now, but thank you!). Included in that message was a link to one of their HOW-TO videos on the lathe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks_SJcAyPtI). It might give you a better idea on what does what and what you might like to get. Once at youtube, you'll see other videos listed in their Shop Class series that are worth watching - on tools, sharpening, etc..

I didn't mention it earlier, and I can't recall if anyone else already did, but dust (wood in particular; and some are far worse than others) is something you best not breathe in. The first video describes masks and briefly shows the Jet air filtration system.

I bought one the Jet models (via Amazon) at the time I purchased the lathe for just over $200. Its incredible how quickly it can clear the air in a 10' x 10' room of particulate matter (the stuff you CAN see - the really bad stuff is smaller and can't be seen, but much of it CAN be filtered by these systems).

Related to the dust business, I have a dust collecting shroud just behind the lathe that is hooked up to my shop vac to draw in much of the dust/turnings. The Jet filters the air of what the vacuum didn't draw in. By the way, Woodcraft sells a very useful device (and I just noticed that Sears sells the same thing for a little less - $20) that plugs into one of your outlets. The device has two outlets - you plug your lathe into the top one and your vacuum into the bottom one. Then, every time you turn your lathe on the vacuum will turn on. There has to be enough current draw by the lathe though, so it may not actuate the vacuum at the lowest speeds. For example, when I am about to drill a hole in an acrylic blank I have the lathe set at the lowest speed and when it is turned on the vacuum doesn't come on. As soon as the bit makes contact with the acrylic, there is more resistance, the motor of the lathe has to work harder, and draws more current, which then allows the device to "magically" switch the vacuum on, right when needed. When the lathe is switched off, the vacuum remains on for an additional few seconds, which is usually just the perfect amount of time.

Hope this helps.
 

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To be clear, the device I just described is the one found at Woodcraft (http://www.woodcraft.com/product.aspx?ProductID=147369&FamilyID=5855). The device I just saw at Sears this past weekend does not look the same, and I can't recall if it has the same or MORE outlets, but it likely works on the same principle.

Its REALLY nice to have this automated. Even though I wear noise cancelling headphones or sound muffling headphones, its still nice to have the loud shop vac off whenever it isn't needed (and to have it come on without me having to think about it whenever it IS needed).
 

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Thanks Jason.

I have a budget set aside for safety stuff (Mask/goggles/ears), not enough yet to get a whole vacuum/air system but its one of my first upgrades I have for saving up.
 

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To be clear, the device I just described is the one found at Woodcraft (http://www.woodcraft.com/product.aspx?ProductID=147369&FamilyID=5855). The device I just saw at Sears this past weekend does not look the same, and I can't recall if it has the same or MORE outlets, but it likely works on the same principle.

Its REALLY nice to have this automated. Even though I wear noise cancelling headphones or sound muffling headphones, its still nice to have the loud shop vac off whenever it isn't needed (and to have it come on without me having to think about it whenever it IS needed).
Even better (well, cheaper anyway) option is to just hard wire an electrical outlet on a switch that your shop vac/DC is plugged into. I did that for mine....did a 3-way switch with one switch right at my lathe, the other one at my belt/disc sander and have piping from my DC to both....I just flip the switch right at the tool when using it, flip it off when I'm done. Cost me about....mmm.....$5 in materials? That's if you're comfortable wiring that up....I wired up my entire shop from scratch, so I've done a couple of outlets before:tongue:
 

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I havent touched electricity since High School Stage Crew...fell off the rafters hanging lights because someone thought it would be funny to turn the electricity back on. Ive never really felt comfortable doing electric work since.
 

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I am more of a tool collector than a wood worker. I did a lot of investigating before buying a lathe.
Some one said, "You can turn little stuff on a big lathe, but you can't turn big stuff on a little lathe."
With that in mind I decided I wanted a JET 1442 Variable Speed lath,
a Talon Chuck and a beginner's set of tools and a JET Drill Press.
I could turn bowls, baseball bats walking sticks or pens.
I already had a 10" table saw, 14" band saw, a dust collector and a combination belt/disk sander.
I went to Woodcraft and Rockler and priced out each item, went home and compared prices.
Then went back and asked for their very best package price.
Rockler won hands down.

I didn't do enough research on turning.
I am too old to do much bowl turning. Too much drying time, I want instant results.
I have turned a ton of pens and a few bowls and bar stool legs.
I am now going to down size my lathe to a Mini Electronic Variable Speed lathe, probable a JET
and sell my table saw. I have a bunch of stuff and going to offer a package on "CRAIGS LIST".

When I sell my stuff then I will buy the mini and just turn pens, bottle stoppers, bracelet helpers
and other little stuff
 
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If you have a shopvac type vacuum with the 1 1/4? hose you can take an empty(sad I am defining that) plastic gallon milk cut off the bottom half and screw it into the rubber sleeve on your hose and you have a scoop collector to sit at your lathe bed.

If your vac hose doesn't have a soft rubber sleeve, well that is what duct tape is for.
 

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The person in the above video is a personal friend. Nick uses jet mini lathes for some of his teaching and to take to classes outside his shop. Recently I was at his shop and found too many similarities to my PSI lathe. I use a Nova for big stuff. Buy what you can afford and start turning. My PSI came from ebay. New. Bought a smaller drill press at yard sale. CA glue and epoxy from local rc hobby shop. Start with one style pen kit and then expand. I use 2 tools for turning. Small bowl gouge for roughing and a skew for finishing up. Skews require practice. My pen press is a nut cracker modified. Craigslist is another good place for tools.
 

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I would like to thank Jason (jclark58) for inviting me over to his house and showing me how to turn a pen.

Got to go over some safety, equipment, wood types, mini lathe and larger lathe, tools, drilling, finish, etc. I also got to bring home a somewhat "ugly" pen in some myrtle(?) and some nice blanks for when I get my own stuff. Think I will get some cheaper wood to practice on before I go for the Desert Ironwood though.

I will get some pictures later, I brought the pen to work and used it for most of the day.

Thanks again Jason
 
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Josh Gertz

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So the Woodcraft sale came and went...

I personally sold some older video game systems and old role playing stuff to pay for a lathe...the people that wanted to buy the stuff wont have money until payday this Friday.../sigh

My wife and I also have yet to receive our income tax returns and my tuition reimbursement hasn't gotten here either.

I was really hoping to grab the Jet 1014VSI on sale, the savings would have gone to a band saw or grinder.

Hopefully something will come up once I have the cash in hand...cant wait
 

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Somewhat Finalized List

Lathe: http://www.amazon.com/1014VSI-10-In...ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1240622841&sr=8-1 ($460, though I am hoping for a cheaper price this holiday weekend)

Tools: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47066 ($45)

Chucks: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=42340 ($7)

http://www.woodcraft.com/product.aspx?ProductID=146801&FamilyID=20042 ($78)

http://www.woodcraft.com/product.aspx?ProductID=146804&FamilyID=20042 ($21)

Mandrel: http://www.pennstateind.com/store/PKM-BL.html ($18)

Sharpening: http://www.woodcraft.com/product.aspx?ProductID=148382&FamilyID=20355 ($180)

http://www.woodcraft.com/product.aspx?ProductID=127187&FamilyID=1998 ($31)

Cutting: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=96980 ($140)

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=5394 ($10)

Drill Bits/Barrell Trimming: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=1611 ($50)

http://yourdonspens.com/TiNTwistBit.html#Pen_Mills ($15 + Shipping)

Sanding: http://www.pennstateind.com/store/PKSPSET5.html?mybuyscid=4026108121 ($22)

http://www.woodnwhimsies.com/product292.html?__utma=1.2111330038.1238090587.1241218430.1242681959.7&__utmb=1&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1240564173.5.5.utmccn%3D(referral)%7Cutmcsr%3Dpenturners.org%7Cutmcct%3D%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%7Cutmcmd%3Dreferral&__utmv=-&__utmk=109176326 ($17)

Finishing: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=95709 ($13)

http://www.pennstateind.com/store/LBUFFSYS.html ($55)

http://www.pennstateind.com/store/DEFTOIL.html ($10)

Assembly: http://www.pennstateind.com/store/PENPRESS4.html ($40)

Wood: $100 Budget, want a bulk deal to practice on and than some decent stuff to actually turn into pens

Glue: I saw a link for someone selling CA glue for a good price here but I couldnt find the link after searching.

Kits: Not sure what to spend here...maybe $100 or so to start.

Anyone see any glaring issues with my list? Or alternate suggestions?
 
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Josh Gertz

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For micromesh I would go with this and cut each pad into 1/4s:
http://www.woodnwhimsies.com/produc...php|utmcmd=referral&__utmv=-&__utmk=109176326

You can make your own buffing system for under $40(including the bars of compound).

Instead of the spingloaded pen press, you could use this, it isn't dedicated but...
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=38183

Thanks for the MM link.

I was able to use the pen press to make my one pen so far at another members home and liked it enough to want to spend the extra cash on it. As well as having the extra cash to spend right now.

Buffing for $40? Do tell...
 

Josh Gertz

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Check Craigslist for a bandsaw. You don't need a big saw if you're primarily going to be cutting pan blanks.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/tls/1176093762.html

If you're interested I may be willing to part with the mini lathe that we drilled on. It's not VS but I'd be willing to do a package deal on it with a bunch of accessories.

Jason

Thanks for the link. I may call tonight and see if I can pick it up after work tomorrow, if not there are plenty on there I can look at...for the 140 I was going to spend I could probably get a larger one in case I need it later.

I also sent a PM about the Mini.
 

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Its Starting!

Hey everyone,

So its starting, I had a much larger budget than I previously thought so I splurged on a few things.

I have a drill press and band saw on the way. Im still getting the stuff to drill on the lathe but I figure the drill press could be used for other tasks.

I stopped at Woodcraft on the way home and got a slow speed grinder, wolverine jig, skew attachment and a NOVA Pin Jaw kit.

Ordered the buffing system from Penn State along with a few other things.

This weekend at some point I will be stopping at Harbour Freight to pick up a work bench, tools, goggles, respirator, ear muffs and various other bits.

Finally, I am buying a lathe from another member with a bunch of extras for a good price.

Here are some pictures of my garage right now...its been like this since we bought the house 3 years ago. Time to clean it out! ...and some pics off my loot for the night.

To make things a bit even I bought LOML a sewing machine since hers has been broken for ages now
 

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