Home Surveillance, input needed

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I have been debating this for a while and I think I am finally ready to get one installed. I mainly want cameras to cover the exterior of the house (I have a lot of 1st floor windows), the carport area and the doors. I already have a monitored alarm system so am looking at cameras both as a deterrent and to record anything if it happens.

So questions are:
- Any first hand experiences with a system/company?
- Anybody have a system/company they recommend?
- Must haves and not necessary?
- Indoor cameras for when I am out of the house? yes/no?
- and anything else I should be aware of, ask for or avoid?

Thanks, Eugene.
 
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I have installed a few of these for friends and the ones they have bought are from Costco, fairly inexpensive and quite a few cameras. These were wired systems but there are ones out now that are wireless. All of these cameras are controlled from your PC with the supplied software and have the capability of sending alarms to your mobile devices. Fairly easy to install. Some of these systems out now have unbelievable resolution unlike some of the footage you see on the cop shows on TV from surveillance cameras.lol
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If I was doing it again (and I probably am shortly), I think I'd probably go with Power-Over-Ethernet cameras. Even the wireless have some type of power supply. With PoE, it's a wired system but the network cable carries the power. The power can be 100m (330') away from the camera. BUT that does mean you need a different switch than the common desktop switches at BestBuy. It would need to be able to power the device, or you need power "injectors" but that's less than optimal. It's a bit more expensive but where I want some cameras now, I don't have power anywhere nearby... Of course, you could mix standard wall-wart type cameras with PoE cameras where power isn't available.

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There's no reason you couldn't use a hybrid setup.
Data AND power nearby = wired, standard power camera
Power but no data = wireless
data but no power = PoE
Nothing = your choice - run power or data or both
 
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There is a lot of options out there. If you are ok with "decent" resolution and wired cameras - you can get some stuff for a really reasonable price.

I set up this one: https://www.q-see.com/products/product_description.php?cId=128&pId=269&id=128&pid=108

*400 line cameras (roughly the same as standard def tv)
*records to built in box
*can check into and even playback remote recorded stuff on my iphone
*can setup alerts if desired
*can "block" parts of the screen to not fire off motion detection (very nice feature that not all systems have)

I got that in a 4 camera setup for $200. One in the front of the house, one in back, one in the shop and one in our living room. Being wired, the power runs with the cable and so I only needed power near the recorder (which I did hide pretty well since then its likely to not be found.)

I wanted a little piece of mind, but couldn't justify a monthly cost or higher priced cameras, but it does come in handy to know I can get alerted and/or look whenever I want from my phone.
 
Yes, I have some good experience with them in my line of work. Here is some of the lowdown that I tell everyone.

Not all recorders are the same, your #1 key critical aspect is PLAYBACK and SEARCH. When you need to pull up an event in the past you do not need to be fiddling with the search feature nor spend much brain power in figuring out how it works. Those situations you are stressed out and you will not be thinking clearly, so any thing overly complex in usage should be a red flag of what not to buy.

Things you should look for is the search/playback software that shows a time based graph based on motion activity PER CHANNEL. That way you can quickly look at camera 1 and say oh! at 2:37am there was some activity, lets see what that was. To many search features are scaled down where you must enter the camera and the start/stop time frame then play it back at normal/double/triple speed until you find the real event time. Honestly no one has time to do that when you will be needed that playback footage.

Second thing is all to many times people like to show the monitoring stations to 'help reduce crime' as they put it. What really happens is you show the viewing locations and where you need to be to avoid the cameras. In short, put that crap up and out of viewing reach. In fact put it in a safe where it would not be stolen in a break in (yes I have had several clients with cameras have the dvr stolen because they were out in the open and was the 'hey we have cameras!' slap in the face.)

Remote view is one of the strongest features you can employ. I have some offices that are now in less savory locations in the area so they use the remote feature of the camera to see what is going on before they get there. Showing this info on the iphone, ipad, remote PC, tablet etc. should also be looked at.

Cameras can be a very bad thing if used improperly (i.e. red light cameras) or a very good think if used properly.

I had one client with a camera at home, it picked up a car driving up and down the street, backed into their driveway then turned around. License plate was on camera and very clear to read. One guy got out, face very clearly defined, kicked in the front door and took every electronic item they had, jewelry and 2 firearms. Video was given to the police, they ran the plates and went to make an arrest. Instead of arresting 2 people they arrested 12. Inside the house they found it had 1,000 stolen TV sets and there was another 2 suspected houses with loot just as equal which they were selling to anyone. The police had no clue this ring was operating and not a bad deal for $600.

Had another client (doctors office) that was having problems with a cleaning company. The cameras were consulted and they discovered the cleaning crew would come in clean the bathroom first then use the same towel to clean every exam room table where patients were.

As for which unit(s) are good there are a number of them. Those with the best playback that I mentioned earlier include companies like Q-see. The better cameras today can show facial features 300 yards away in darkness.
 
Just remember if you connect them to your network anyone so you can access them from remote, so can a hacker. So I would not recommend connecting to the net.
 
I gave this some thought. One night a gol darned mouse set off the alarm at our business at 2:00am. The cop who met me at the shop was a talky guy. He suggested I use motion activated game cameras because the resolution was much higher and ultimately cheaper. After some research I have decided he is right. I have just not gotten around to buying them.

Might be worth thinking about.
 
I would be interested in the logic of cameras. Do you save on homeowners insurance? Do you get your stolen stuff back? I could really use some new stuff, cause the current stuff is pretty old. What if they don't get a license plate or positive ID, well even get a positive ID. Does it help get your stuff back? Just wondering about the real world positive of getting the cameras. I thought about wildlife cameras when my crazy neighbor was spraying Roundup in our yard and poison pellets under the bird feeder to kill our wildlife. That seemed to make sense, but didn't do it. Police were always sympathetic to the pour old crazy guy. So even then, the expense would not have paid off.
 
I would be interested in the logic of cameras. Do you save on homeowners insurance? Do you get your stolen stuff back? I could really use some new stuff, cause the current stuff is pretty old. What if they don't get a license plate or positive ID, well even get a positive ID. Does it help get your stuff back? Just wondering about the real world positive of getting the cameras. I thought about wildlife cameras when my crazy neighbor was spraying Roundup in our yard and poison pellets under the bird feeder to kill our wildlife. That seemed to make sense, but didn't do it. Police were always sympathetic to the pour old crazy guy. So even then, the expense would not have paid off.

Camera systems are not of benefit in all cases. General rule of thumb is entry/exit doors, around safes, anywhere money is handled, storage rooms i.e. drug rooms at dr offices.

The main purpose of a camera is to remove the he said/she said and to show fact.

Just remember if you connect them to your network anyone so you can access them from remote, so can a hacker. So I would not recommend connecting to the net.

Yes and no. Yes because it could possibly be 'hacked' as you say but also NO because one key critical role in security is knowledge. knowing who is in the area serves a very good cause.
 
Smith & Wesson. System works great, never had a problem

Climbing roses works for me. All my windows have big climbing roses in front of them. A burglar is limited to the doors, which have steel security screens. He'd have to be really determined to take on those thorns. Plus I have a large LOUD dog.

I have a security light out at the head of the driveway that has a video camera built into it that is motion controlled. It records on to a SD card. So If necessary, I have a record of everyone who approaches the house, at least from the front.

The roses also have the advantage that from the INSIDE you can simply open the window and throw a blanket or quilt over the roses and push them away from the windows in case of fire.
 
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I have been debating this for a while and I think I am finally ready to get one installed. I mainly want cameras to cover the exterior of the house (I have a lot of 1st floor windows), the carport area and the doors. I already have a monitored alarm system so am looking at cameras both as a deterrent and to record anything if it happens.

So questions are:
- Any first hand experiences with a system/company?
- Anybody have a system/company they recommend?
- Must haves and not necessary?
- Indoor cameras for when I am out of the house? yes/no?
- and anything else I should be aware of, ask for or avoid?

Thanks, Eugene.

Hi Eugene,

First thing is, get away from IP cameras...!

The CCTV systems are the way to go and I spend some money in trying to save money and by cheap stuff, it was all wasted money down the drain until I decided to do what I already know it should be done and purchased a good brand security system that has some great quality day and night cameras.

My only mistake was to buy a 4 camera system, at the time I wanted 6 cameras but today I want 8 so, I will upgrade soon.

The system that I'm talking about is this the brand I mean, many places sell them.

It has everything you need in the kit, you by one with the highest HD capacity and you set it yourself, without any problems, it works 100%...!

Cheers
George
 
Check the Garage Journal board and search for security systems. Folks there have several threads on installing security systems on their garages.

Some discussions even get to the technical details on camera systems, etc.

You'll get the typical responses that don't apply, like get a dog, keep a weapon, etc., like here, but they also have details you may be looking for. I couldn't find it easily, but there was one thread that compared various cameras available in the sets from Sam's and Costco.
 
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