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sbwertz

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Got two big wood wins this week.

Finally got the desert ironwood cut up.

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And got a truckload of beautiful carob last night

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The ironwood has been cut for 7 years, but the carob is green, brought down by a recent storm.
 
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Sharon, someone is watching over your shoulder.(Oh , it is just me). Cut, cut, cut. Blanks, blanks, blanks.

Nice pot at the end of that rainbow. Congratulations.

Ray
 
Hi sbwertz

Wow, you are so lucky that I'm soooo far away from you...!:eek::wink::smile:

Now, that my kind of treasures, I would love to be able to cut/slice it all for you, just for the enjoyment, I may consider to ask you to swap a small half log with me, with something that you would like to have from my neck of the woods. I love the fact that, you as a woman, can show to a lot of guys, how its done, in regards to hunting the wood and get it landed at your feet, yeah, I like that...!:wink::biggrin:

That Carob wood is not green as such, that wood is mostly dead wood, the tree should have been dead for some time when the storm knocked it down, you can see from the bark that, the tree couldn't be alive or at least, all those limbs from where those logs were cut from, I get all the time tree that have forked into 2 or 3 main trunks and that, one or more dies and some are still alive and very green however, those sort of trees more often than not, don't survive long, whatever killed one or more limbs, will kill the remaining ones, sooner or later. There is also the fact that, the dead limbs tend to snap easily and most time, ripping a considerable area of the trunk they are attached to, leaving any alive wood cells expose to all sorts of contamination, most times my fungi and wood borers, killing the remaining tree as a result.

Anyway, sorry for the "brake down" of events as I know them, based on what you showed us..!

I'm certain that, you will have a "few" blanks to play with and to share with everyone here on IAP, huh...???:wink::biggrin:

Great score, indeed...! congrats

Cheers
George
 
Very nice pile of wood. I know you will Ido good with it. Show us a few pens when you are rested of cutting and start turning.
 
George, you are right! My moisture meter says 9 percent on the carob, and it won't even move off the zero mark on the ironwood. GREAT. I can start turning it right away!
 
Alankulwicki........don't forget the rest of us snow bound turners here in MN.

Great find there Sharon......beautiful wood.

Don't worry, Wayne. I think about my fellow Minnesotans often. :biggrin:

Like when I went golfing a few days ago and when I went fishing yesterday (and I didn't have to drill a hole in the ice:eek:).

I'll get my payback when I return home and it's 10 degrees...
 

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Wow, I'd love to be able to take a couple of pieces back to Minnesota with me on Saturday. :biggrin:

Where are you?

I'm at my in-laws in PHX (near Baseline and 24th St.)
Got room in your suitcase for a small piece? I'm at 19th and Bell road, north of town. Just curious...how are you at a Polish victory lap?

That's very nice of you Sharon. I wasn't expecting you to offer up some of the wood to me.:smile: If we can figure out a time tomorrow morning, I would love to take a piece home.
I've already got a few small pieces of Mesquite from my brother-in-law but there's always room for more.:smile:

Thanks!
 
Wow, I'd love to be able to take a couple of pieces back to Minnesota with me on Saturday. :biggrin:

Where are you?

I'm at my in-laws in PHX (near Baseline and 24th St.)
Got room in your suitcase for a small piece? I'm at 19th and Bell road, north of town. Just curious...how are you at a Polish victory lap?

That's very nice of you Sharon. I wasn't expecting you to offer up some of the wood to me.:smile: If we can figure out a time tomorrow morning, I would love to take a piece home.




I've already got a few small pieces of Mesquite from my brother-in-law but there's always room for more.:smile:

Thanks!

emailed you with my phone number
 
Sorry George, I cut some of the carob and it is certainly not dead. 21 percent on my moisture meter on the surface of the freshly cut face.
 
Sorry George, I cut some of the carob and it is certainly not dead. 21 percent on my moisture meter on the surface of the freshly cut face.

Hi Sharon,

No need to apologise, I can't be always correct even though the pics tell me a slight different story...!

When I say "green/live wood" it means wood from an alive tree, most moisture meters will read the green woods, at about 38% to 40%. When a tree die, and loses all its leaves and bark start to dry and break apart, the wood inside is called dead wood, nature will take some time to totally dry the wood right to rotten/dust even if the tree stay standing up which most time, is knocked down by wind or fall under its own inability to support its own weight.

So, if a tree dies, and the wood becomes dead wood, the moisture content in the wood on cutting/processing, will depend upon many factors, time since the tree died, climate, it still standing or on the ground, etc...!

You are not going to find that many woods that will read zero (0)% on a moisture meter, measuring its MC% content by inserting the meter probes into the outer surface of an old log, is not accurate, you need to expose the log wood by slicing it however, you have to also remember that, any wood dead or alive, fresh or old, will maintain a higher % of moisture at its centre so, when you slice a log/slab/thick board in half, the "FRESH" wood will always ready higher MC% content, and will continued to do so until the wood stabilizes to atmospheric ambient temps, or in a simple language, when the wood is exposed to air for a little while, sometimes a day is all its needed so, if you probe the Ironwood on a fresh cut and close to its pith, you will read more than zero (0)

So, the 21% MC you just read, is a proof that, the wood is dead and not green anymore, it has lost a considerable amount of moisture because the tree that log come from, has stopped to be live, for some time...!

I hope this makes sense to you...!

If the wood measures 21% MC at its centre/fresh cuts, that wood will measure 15% or less in a week or two, particularly if you slice the wood into oversized pen blanks, that wood is already half dry so, getting it to the average workable MC% of approx. 10% or so, won't take long.
You have also to consider the possibility that the wood is wet, by being expose to rain or other, in these few months...!

This is not a matter of who is right or who is wrong, I simply made some suggestions based upon my observation of the pics you shared with us, and my experience in these issues however, not being able to actually test/examine the wood with my own hands and eyes, is always a margin for error...!:wink::biggrin:

Either way, if you have enough of the Ironwood to around, I would like to swap one half log with any of my woods you may be interested on...!:smile:

PS: Actually, having a slice that matches the size of a small flat rate box, is all I would need...!

Cheers
George
 
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When I think of "dead" wood, I think of the mulberry tree I cut down that had been standing dead for several years and all the bark had fallen off! Or the ironwood that has been cut for 7 years and reads 0 on the meter even after being out in the rain. Of course it is dead, it is off the tree, but it is still too wet to turn right now.I probably should have said "dry" instead of "dead" in my post.

The people who brought it said that it was live and bearing leaves when it came down and was cut into chunks, but that was a few months ago during our monsoon. The ends of the old cuts read 9.8 percent, and the fresh cuts read 21.8 percent. It feels very wet to the touch, and the cuts are fibrous, not clean cuts like in dry wood. I am going to cut some blanks and stack them to dry, and put a few in the dehydrator to dry. It would be ok to rough turn bowls now, but I wouldn't want to try anything else.

I'll PM you about a trade.
 
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cut up some of the ironwood

I basically sacrificed an old bandsaw blade to cut up a small piece of the ironwood. It was kind of punky in the middle, so I decided to just cut it up into pen blanks. Got three really nice blanks and some others that will need some stabilizing/infilling. (Misted with some water to show up the grain better.)

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