Don Wade
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Why not use gun metal instead of blk ti with the cost differential?
Don
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Has anyone actually experienced gun metal wearing noticeably?
Thanks Dean, and thanks for drawing that distinction.
PSI offers the "funline" and their regular line. I have never used their gunmetal, but I sold hundreds of their TiGold slims, with the TN on the clip. Never had one come back. Only thing I had against them was the TN.
Just checked their website and, interestingly, they offer gun metal in their FunLine AND in their regular line. Suppose these are EQUAL in quality? If yes, why the price difference?
If not, shouldn't they have different names?
But if they are NOT equal in quality, and they are both called "gun Metal", how can we deduce whether gun metal is good, or not?
See the problem?
Just checked their website and, interestingly, they offer gun metal in their FunLine AND in their regular line. Suppose these are EQUAL in quality? If yes, why the price difference?
http://woodturning.pennstateind.com/gun-metal
They call the one a "Trimline" and there are several cigars and other "prestige" pens in gun metal. Then there are the "Funline" too.
http://woodturning.pennstateind.com/gun-metal
They call the one a "Trimline" and there are several cigars and other "prestige" pens in gun metal. Then there are the "Funline" too.
Their regular line used to be from Taiwan and a I think most if not all of them still are. Their funline have always been made in China - that was the difference in price.Thanks Dean, and thanks for drawing that distinction.
PSI offers the "funline" and their regular line. I have never used their gunmetal, but I sold hundreds of their TiGold slims, with the TN on the clip. Never had one come back. Only thing I had against them was the TN.
Just checked their website and, interestingly, they offer gun metal in their FunLine AND in their regular line. Suppose these are EQUAL in quality? If yes, why the price difference?
If not, shouldn't they have different names?
But if they are NOT equal in quality, and they are both called "gun Metal", how can we deduce whether gun metal is good, or not?
See the problem?
I have thought the same thing about their chrome comfort grip. They are only offered in the funline not regular line. I always assumed chrome was very durable so I'm confused as to why they won't guarantee it. Made me wonder if the components are of a lesser quality, but not sure how that would be...
Mike,
I've carried SEVERAL gun metal pens, but I don't use just one pen, so I'm probably not going to "wear out" the plating. I just wonder if anyone actually HAS worn it out.
Then, my next question will be: Whose pen was it? Rizheng, Dayacom, Berea or unknown (CSUSA could be China or Dayacom). It's time we stopped generalizing and look at specific pen sources and their strengths and weaknesses. I believe one vendor has better quality than the next---but we all call the pen a "sierra" so the confusion continues.
What is the problem with Chrome? I've always thought is was a great pen material.
They need someone to send them the address of the trade mark registration office.Yes, I understand Berea is trying to "reclaim" their names. Would certainly remove some of the stigma brought on by the imitations that have used "Sierra" and "Cambridge" and "Ultra", etc.
Yes, they were CUSA kits from a couple years ago, the newer stuff seems to be better so probably a change in formula.Has anyone actually experienced gun metal wearing noticeably?
I do not remember where I read it, but apparently Gun Metal is Chrome with a treatment to turn it dark....is it correct??? I have read a lot about the durability of Chrome....why Gun Metal (if Chrome) do not have the same durability????
I do not remember where I read it, but apparently Gun Metal is Chrome with a treatment to turn it dark....is it correct??? I have read a lot about the durability of Chrome....why Gun Metal (if Chrome) do not have the same durability????
Gunmetal and black chrome are two different plating
I do not remember where I read it, but apparently Gun Metal is Chrome with a treatment to turn it dark....is it correct??? I have read a lot about the durability of Chrome....why Gun Metal (if Chrome) do not have the same durability????
The major difference between the so called funline (cheap low quality) & the others is the way they are plated. The better pens are rack plated this done by putting the individual parts on large racks. These racks are insulated except where the part contacts the rack & the hooks that the rack hangs from. The rack is lowered into the plating solutions and hung from copper bars that are positively charged there are two other bars on the sides of tank that have a negative charge. The solution that has the metal dissolved in it is conductive. The cheap ones are barrel plated. They dump the parts into a barrel that has electrodes inside, it is lowered into the solution and rotated. the same reaction takes place but the current is less & the electrical reaction is not constant hence lower amount of metal sticking to the parts. but it is much cheaper since you do not have to pay someone to rack & unrack the parts
Thanks Smitty....I do not remember where I read it, but apparently Gun Metal is Chrome with a treatment to turn it dark....is it correct??? I have read a lot about the durability of Chrome....why Gun Metal (if Chrome) do not have the same durability????
Gun metal is not a chrome based finish. It is a "black" nickel plating designed to imitate Black Ti.
Has anyone actually experienced gun metal wearing noticeably?
Hi Jerry, I won't dispute what you say and I don't pretend to be a plating expert. I found a source that said gunmetal or gun metal on pens is a "black nickel" plating (I had the quotes wrong in the first post) and about the same wear characteristics and some of the softer metals. I Googled "black nickel" - and they seem to be saying it is a nickel/zinc plating that has much worse wear characteristics than nickel.Sorry Smitty "Gun metal is not a chrome based finish. It is a "black" nickel plating designed to imitate Black Ti."
Gun Metal or gunmetal is an alloy of 88 percent copper, 10 percent tin, and 2 percent zinc. In some cases, the zinc is replaced with lead. In other cases there is lead added with the zinc as well.
If it was a nickel-based alloy, then it would have very good wear characteristics.
Sorry