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Thought this was an interesting concept.................
 

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It also is said to use less energy --- and it is often made overseas and shipped again by boat to get here...
 
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Well if your talking Plastic you might have a point. But the reverse is true for Paper products such as cups. The energy to produce the glass, metal or ceramic cup, the fresh water consumed while washing, the energy to heat that water, the chemicals in the soap, and the waste water treatment practices has a much higher ecological impact than the energy to produce, use and recycle a paper product. I forget the exact time line, but the break even point on a metal Coffe cup vs a disposable paper coffee cup is something in the order of using the metal cup for 100 years.

PS the same scenario exist for disposable vs cloth diapers. The energy to clean cloth diapers by far surpasses the ecological cost of producing disposable ones.
 
yes but....

srf1114 said:
Well if your talking Plastic you might have a point. But the reverse is true for Paper products such as cups. The energy to produce the glass, metal or ceramic cup, the fresh water consumed while washing, the energy to heat that water, the chemicals in the soap, and the waste water treatment practices has a much higher ecological impact than the energy to produce, use and recycle a paper product. I forget the exact time line, but the break even point on a metal Coffe cup vs a disposable paper coffee cup is something in the order of using the metal cup for 100 years.

PS the same scenario exist for disposable vs cloth diapers. The energy to clean cloth diapers by far surpasses the ecological cost of producing disposable ones.
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Those things are hard to calculate at best. It like telling me It costs less to use an electric shaver than a razor. The way they calculate usage it does. As I use it I doubt it.

Take your cup example - my marginal cost of washing a cup is essentially Zero. Why, because we use a dishwasher, we run it once a day and adding a cup does not increase the water used, the detergent used, or the time it takes the machine to cycle or the electricity it takes to operate it. We use a dishwasher because it takes less water and energy than we would use manually (we saw this reflected in our water use and electric bill when we started using one}

So you are looking at the cost of buying a paper cup and disposing of it against the zero marginal cost of using a reuseable cup of any description.
 
I've been using the same ceramic coffee "bucket" for over 14 years. I'm not even a quarter of the way there. :biggrin:
 
Ummmm you guys dont get it! Getting ride of disposable throw away products IS one of the basic ideas behind the "Green movement" exactly because of the facts spelled out in the poster!!!!!

"Reduce, REUSE and recycle".........come on you really think those who want there to be a world worth living in for our children are that STUPID? Cutting down on energy consumption and the impact of shipping virtual everything is the whole idea behind "act locally"..........And that poster came from a pro green web site! It spells out the insanity of our uber consumerist, I'm to damn lazy to wash a dish society.

But thanks for sharring it........sould get a lot of "My time is more important than my childs future" folks thinking.
 
Upon reflection in "the library" it occurred to me that you might actually be expressing suport for what the green movement has been saying for half a century.........if so I am sorry about the tone of my previous post.

I guess I just dont see what your really trying to get at and I reacted from the gut. As I usually do.
 
Rick, actually when I posted this, I just wanted to see what kind of reaction it would generate; and boy, did it. Anyway, I'll do my part as much as the next person. However, the most maddening thing I have run into so far is trying to recycle disposable diapers........kind of like the old raccoon that tried to wash off sugar cubes to eat them. I heard that one when I was just out of diapers, and I still laugh when I see it.
 
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PS the same scenario exist for disposable vs cloth diapers. The energy to clean cloth diapers by far surpasses the ecological cost of producing disposable ones.
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When my son was little, we had no choice but to wash his diapers... he was allergic to the diaper service detergent and paper diapers turned his hinney the color of a beet... I used the old fashion method of soaking, washing and double rinsing using good old fashion Ivory flakes...
 
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TellicoTurning said:
srf1114 said:
PS the same scenario exist for disposable vs cloth diapers. The energy to clean cloth diapers by far surpasses the ecological cost of producing disposable ones.
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When my son was little, we had no choice but to wash his diapers... he was allergic to the diaper service detergent and paper diapers turned his hinney the color of a beet... I used the old fashion method of soaking, washing and double rinsing using good old fashion Ivory flakes...
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All I remember about Ivory was "It Floats" and "It's 99 44/100% pure". Never did say pure what... The other thing I remember is that it burned like crazy if you got it in your eyes.

I don't think disposable diapers were invented yet when my kids were young enough to need them although they might have been coming on the market right around the time the younger ones were coming along.
 
Has anyone considered the phosphates in dishwashing detergent?...might as well put a gun to the head of a manatee and pull the trigger. Or the fact that you are more prone to bacteria with re-usable dinnerware. Also what about the energy used to make the poster or posting this thread. Hmmmm seems ironic. I will keep my plastic spoons and drive my V8 sedan (which is also ironic because it is more environmentally friendly than a hybrid)
I will leave the green propaganda to Captain Planet.
 
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