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With Facebook in the news because it is going public and the kid that started it is about to become one of the worlds richest folks maybe it's worth a conversation.

This wasn't my idea another member suggested it in another thread... but what is your opinion of Facebook?

I personally am not using it or twitter or any other similar service - no particular reason I just don't like that sort of thing. My wife uses Facebook and seems to enjoy playing scrabble there. I don't think she does much communicating other than that though.
 
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I'm a member, and use if very consistently. I log on about once every other month.:wink: The only reason I even joined is because of some other programs that give enhancements through facebook. I even use another e-mail address for it so my regular e-mail isn't clogged up with facebook notices.
 
I do not use it all that much (I used to play alot of a game called Mahjong) but if you have moved away or others have moved away, it is a great place to find old friends or classmates.
 
I have an Acct. I have heard horror stories about folks not getting jobs and such because of BS posted so I stear clear for the most part. I log in every couple of months and see what my daughter is doing and posting but that it. Been thinking about one for my pens though.......some folks have had good luck with it.
 
I'm on facebook although I never use it. 99% of the content is crap IMO!

On the flip side my wife uses it to keep updated with her friend in Hong Kong.

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Russianwolf said:
Facebook is about to lose a bunch of its current members. They are forcing a new format on people and the format is difficult to navigate. When they force the switch in the next couple weeks, I'll be gone.
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EverytimeI log in it is different. It is turning into a myspace, and we see where they are today. Now that they are going public they have to follow the money and Tweens & Teens are where the money is for this type of site. It used to be a nice Professional site but once everyone migrated from Myspace to Facebook it has gone way down hill.
 
It think this was a way after the 911 to control and know what people are doing at all times. When they passed the law of eavesdropping and they got resisted by people that it was unconstitutional they had to come up with a way to control what people doing on day to day basis. By creating this tool you go on there and on your own will spill out everything that there is about your day to day life. Now, no one can tell that oh, well you guys are eavesdropping on me. Not just many years ago there were nothing like this around, and you woke up and went about your bus. as usual, and if you wanted to keep up with your friends then you picked up the phone and called them or wrote to them. Now, everything is on line and there are no privacy about anything anymore. also, as the result of face book and tweeter (specially) folks are on the comp or cell phones more than they should and not paying attention to others even when they are driving and it has created more severe accidents than before. On the other hands I think it has taken away from family gathering times and interactions, since now everyone is on a cell phone tweeting or on the face book.
The other thing to consider is that before the TV went digital they had no way of knowing who was watching what and now you are controlled by a box that they have control of and can tell exactly what you watch and what you like since it reports your TV station surfing at all items. So, again more control of human lives.

Please, note that this is my opinion and it may not suite your thought so don't go attacking.
 
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I use it-also not happy that they keep changing the formatting BUT it is a great place to showcase and sell your pens!! I have gotten many custom orders, increased my visiibility and networking! I also have an etsy site that, when I list a pen, I can "share" on FB. It has been a very positive experience for me overall!!
 
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I use it-also not happy that they keep changing the formatting BUT it is a great place to showcase and sell your pens!! I have gotten many custom orders, increased my visiibility and networking! I also have an etsy site that, when I list a pen, I can "share" on FB. It has been a very positive experience for me overall!!
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Jennifer, I agree if it was only used for that kind of purpose, but you know people put more info. about their lives and thoughts that they should and gets them in trouble once it is on line then you can not take it back.
 
Phillip-that's true-but there are a great many that enjoy using it for good and not evil ;). You can also have a personal page as well as a page for you business and have it solely for your pens etc. I have both and for me it works well! It's no different Han anywhere else as farad having " spoilers" out there- but you can block them too :)
 
I have an account but I really don't participate all that often. Mainly I just see what friends are up to. I'd be perfectly fine without it.
 
I work on/with computers every day.........have no need/want to spend more time on them via 'Facebook', 'Twitter' or any other social networking site!

Want to know what's going on in my life? Drop me a line, pick up the phone or come on over! Visit a spell, take a load off.....enjoy each other's company!

I like to keep my private life, just that......'Private'!



Barney
 
I have it! I primarily use it for posting some of my new work before it shows up on IAP!~ and to keep up with family and friends, but i dont post like some people do where they give everyone a blow by blow account of their daily life.
 
I am on it and aside from the daily changing of things it has been helpful. I have located long lost friends and keep in touch with distant relatives and friends. It is a great place for me to post my political and social comments. They even have a pen turning group that has almost no restrictions, unlike IAP.
 
I have been known to call facebook 'the devil', but mostly I don't feel that way. Facebook doesn't actually cause problems. Bad behavior by some people causes problems. The fact that some of this bad behavior happens on facebook is ancillary.

For isntance, some people have lost jobs or been denied a job due to junk that they posted on facebook. Those people should have either locked down their account better or not posted the harmful bits.

Some people have 'connected' with people through facebook and ended up having an affair. Facebook didn't cause this problem. Those people were just cheaters.

I use facebook. I find it useful to share things with my family such as pics of our kids. I am certainly not a heavy user of FB as I don't have much time in my life and don't really typically have much to say about myself.

Russianwolf said:
Facebook is about to lose a bunch of its current members. They are forcing a new format on people and the format is difficult to navigate. When they force the switch in the next couple weeks, I'll be gone.
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I felt the same way as you do, based solely on the complaints that I've read about it. This morning, however, I got curoious and took a look around. I kind of like it. In fact, I liked it so much that I just switched to it.

It took me a few minutes to drop down the timeline and 'hide' things that I didn't want on it. These were old posts that weren't really interesting or important. What I was left with was the history of my life for the last few years including loads of pictures of the kids all laid out on the timeline so you can quickly skim through them and watch them grow. Awesome. There's also pics from trips that we took a few years ago, but only posted to facebook last year. I'm going to have to take a moment to track down the dates of those trips so I can change the dates so they fall correctly on the timeline. The ability is a very nice feature, in my opinion.

The thing about timeline is that it's just a change in how other people will view your page. It's a really nice change, in my opinion. No changes were made to the newsfeed.
 
Really Phillip there is very little difference between participating on Facebook and participating here. There's just the matter of deciding how much you want to share with the world and which website you want to share it on. I personally don't share silly little day-to-day details on my life and am not worried about ANY of the things that I do happen to share.

I do feel you are being a little on the paranoid side with your first post... If someone is doing something serious enough that the government is going to want to keep an eye on said person, then that person almost certainly won't be posting that activity on Facebook. I dunno...
 
phillywood said:
It think this was a way after the 911 to control and know what people are doing at all times. When they passed the law of eavesdropping and they got resisted by people that it was unconstitutional they had to come up with a way to control what people doing on day to day basis. By creating this tool you go on there and on your own will spill out everything that there is about your day to day life. Now, no one can tell that oh, well you guys are eavesdropping on me. Not just many years ago there were nothing like this around, and you woke up and went about your bus. as usual, and if you wanted to keep up with your friends then you picked up the phone and called them or wrote to them. Now, everything is on line and there are no privacy about anything anymore. also, as the result of face book and tweeter (specially) folks are on the comp or cell phones more than they should and not paying attention to others even when they are driving and it has created more severe accidents than before. On the other hands I think it has taken away from family gathering times and interactions, since now everyone is on a cell phone tweeting or on the face book.
The other thing to consider is that before the TV went digital they had no way of knowing who was watching what and now you are controlled by a box that they have control of and can tell exactly what you watch and what you like since it reports your TV station surfing at all items. So, again more control of human lives.

Please, note that this is my opinion and it may not suite your thought so don't go attacking.
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I'm not following.

I am in control of who views my facebook page and what I post to it. How is my right to privacy being violated?

Similarly, my home has three TVs, each with a TiVo box that is constantly recording two channels regardless of whether the TV is turned on or I have any interest in the program being recorded. How is my life being controlled?

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Security is a big problem .. If you put personal stuff out there it automatically become public ..
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How does it become public? You have control of who views your page and what they are allowed to see. It seems to me that it's actually somewhat less public than if you were to email the same message to those same friends.

Of course, if someone chooses to not take advantage of the privacy settings and post something that he/she ought not to, that's a flaw in that person, not facebook.
 
I use Facebook quite a bit for a couple of reasons.

One to connect with friends, family and long out of touch classmates. Generally, for those that don't use it, every time someone posts a status update or uploads a photo, all your "friends" is Facebook get to see it. This often extends to friends of friends, but that deeper than I intend to go with this reply.

The other reason is, I was able to set up a separate "fan" page for my woodworking/penturning in order to post separate updates and relevant topics to that page. People can "like" that page to see updates or not as they see fit. It's been a nice simple way for free advertisement, and provides links to the sites where I sell my pens.

So it's not a bad thing, and everything's free. I tied my account to a little-used Hotmail account, so I don't get any email spam coming from Facebook as well.

What I DON'T do is waste my time playing games on it. And in order to see the real updates of my friends and such that I want to see, I use an option to block every game update or invitation that comes my way. So in the end I just spend a short amount of time checking on friends updates every day, maybe posting something for myself, then I jump over here to I.A.P. forums to see what's going on! :biggrin:
 
76winger said:
I use Facebook quite a bit for a couple of reasons.

One to connect with friends, family and long out of touch classmates. Generally, for those that don't use it, every time someone posts a status update or uploads a photo, all your "friends" is Facebook get to see it. This often extends to friends of friends, but that deeper than I intend to go with this reply.
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You can adjust your settings to keep 'friends of friends' from getting your updates.
 
I found it creepy - and I don't care if my friends are eating a sandwich or petting their cat.

I've deleted my account...I don't feel the need to collect 'friends' who I don't really speak with anymore, or "Like" (which is now a Verb, apparently) a company just to have access to their sales...

Not my cup of tea at all!
 
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Really Phillip there is very little difference between participating on Facebook and participating here. There's just the matter of deciding how much you want to share with the world and which website you want to share it on. I personally don't share silly little day-to-day details on my life and am not worried about ANY of the things that I do happen to share.

I do feel you are being a little on the paranoid side with your first post... If someone is doing something serious enough that the government is going to want to keep an eye on said person, then that person almost certainly won't be posting that activity on Facebook. I dunno...
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Paranoide I am not, I have seen the world become from total freedom to what it is now. There used to be that you shook hand with people and did bus. with them and went to work W/O anyone checking on you every second. There used to be more one on one contact between people and interaction. Also, people wrote to each other that showed some love and caring (that's why you came here for pen making to make a writing instrument to encourage people to write again). Now it's all this. I am all for finding friends and keep up with old lost friends, but other aspects of it that some users have turned it too I am not in agreement. Look at twitter, why should you care if a guy (in a commercial tweets about eating pancake) and then brags about how many "like" hits he gets, or who went where and what they are doing. Look at what is doing to our kids that their social skills are going down the tubes.
 
FaceBook is the perfect place for those without social lives to post what they are not doing.

1:41 pm - Lonely Loser checked in at the work cafeteria .

1:59 pm - Lonely Loses checked in at the public toilet at XYZ building. Click here to "like".

After work he plans to grow some imiginary vegestables and care for some virtual fish!

Geez dude, read a book!
 
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Phillip: I hope you don't mind my feedback on your comments. I just feel so differently about it all...

My response to your interaction issue is that the same can be said about every technological advancement that ultimately leads to less direct interaction. From radio to telephone, to TV (and all the advancements therein), cell phones, computers/internet in general, and any type of social interaction that now takes place on computers (including forums). Are these all hurting us as a species? These are all generally great advancements as far as I am concerned.

As for the "big brother is watching" issue... . I really think the government has bigger priorities than monitoring the hundred million daily posts on Facebook. I don't think terrorists are making any plans on there.

After saying all of this, I just want to add that although I have a Facebook account, I almost never post a status update and only check once every day or two. This is because I agree with not caring how many pancakes so-and-so ate, etc... Many people share a lot more than I can be bothered with knowing but I still feel that Facebook is a pretty good thing.
 
I use facebook every once in awhile. Mostly to post pens and new ideas I'm cooking up/see what others are making. Most of my friends on facebook are other woodworkers. I dont post much other than my pens. I comment on others work.

I dont play the games and such, but my wife plays a couple under my account.

I've never been worried about the privacy issue. I'm never doing anything to be concerned about so worry about meaningless who's watchin who stuff. If big brother wants to watch you....... he's gonna watch whether you have a facebook account or any other website account. If I knew he was watching I'd invite them in for coffee and maybe a sammich...

Phillywood.... as far as the social skills of kids. That all falls onto parents. Period ! Not schools/websites/ect ect ect. Parents fail their kids more than any other entity in their lives. Blaming a website for the lack of social skills of kids is just another parent making an excuse as to whats wrong with their kids...
 
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Phillip: I hope you don't mind my feedback on your comments. I just feel so differently about it all...

My response to your interaction issue is that the same can be said about every technological advancement that ultimately leads to less direct interaction. From radio to telephone, to TV (and all the advancements therein), cell phones, computers/internet in general, and any type of social interaction that now takes place on computers (including forums). Are these all hurting us as a species? These are all generally great advancements as far as I am concerned.

As for the "big brother is watching" issue... . I really think the government has bigger priorities than monitoring the hundred million daily posts on Facebook. I don't think terrorists are making any plans on there.

After saying all of this, I just want to add that although I have a Facebook account, I almost never post a status update and only check once every day or two. This is because I agree with not caring how many pancakes so-and-so ate, etc... Many people share a lot more than I can be bothered with knowing but I still feel that Facebook is a pretty good thing.
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Keith, I don't mind it at all. I am an open minded person. I am not against technological advancement. I can appreciate them and you can tell I am now using it to make this comment. It's just how it got to this point that we have gotten so involved with it is beyond me.
Don't get me wrong I have made some great friends here that I would have never met them has it not been for the technology. Just what us the consumers have done with some of technology amazes me.
The guy who invented the face book was a drop off out of Harvard and now we the consumers made him one of the top 11 richest in the world.
 
Like many others I think it's a waste of time!

My daughter convinced me to join a few years ago so we could see what each other was doing. That lasted for three or four days and I got tired of having her write on my board when she took the kids to soccer or went to the hairdresser AND I was expected to let her know what I was doing every fifteen minutes. She kept tabs on facebook through her cell phone data plan, no wonder her cell phone bill was over $250 a month!

It also didn't take long to see my email account filling up with emails from TOTAL STRANGERS wanting to be FRIENDS becuase someone they knew had an uncle who had a friend who knew someone I knew..........totally useless nonsense as if having 28,312 friends meant something.

Then there was the phase last year or year before last when almost everyone on IAP wanted to be friends on facebook... even those who wouldn't speak a kind word to me here were emailing friend requests, and they all had sites full of pens they wanted to sell.

Nope, not my cup of tea!
 
I also got persuaded to join and even said hello once or twice, but in all honesty I think those sites are best left to teenage girls.

When I get a periodical 'friends' request emailed to me, I simply just press the 'accept' button so I don't offend anyone. I don't visit FB anymore.

However, I do have one particular fool that is a member here that hates my guts so much he even said he hoped we would meet one day, so he could sort me out. :rotfl: I haven't 'accepted ' his several friends requests:rolleyes:
 
Facebook has generated over $1000 in revenue since I started my page. I also have been helping multiple newbs with their turning issues through the social networking site.

I like it!!

Anyone want to be my friend?!
 
Never joined and don't think I will, my wife is on there all the time and when I call her on it see says what about you and the IAP???????????:eek::eek::eek:
 
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