Eraser for conversion pencils

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I am aware of the conversion assemble that is available to turn a pen into a pencil.
From my understanding it is a twist style pencil
Where and how to you get an eraser designed into the pen?
To convert a pen into a pencil I think it is fairly important to have an eraser.
Any thoughts
I would appreciate your ideas
Thanks
 
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why cant you have the eraser the same way as a standard pencil kit. It usually has a cap over it(in this case it would be the finial of whatever pen kit you are using). I would love to hear some other ideas on this as well, Calling all master pen-to-pencil converters out there!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
 
Kevin, I wanna say I found a tutorial for a pencil conversion on the sierra pen in the PMG library. I will go look and post the link here for ya
 
But the sierra conversion to a pencil still does not include an eraser. And, now there are sierra pencils and this conversion is not needed. To get an eraser it is necessary to purchase a pencil kit and not do a conversion. To get an eraser designed into a conversion requires more designing.:biggrin::biggrin:
Do a good turn daily!
Don

Here is that link in case anyone would like to view it: http://penmakersguild.com/video/hettel1.mpeg
 
Virgil - That is exactly my point
If you are converting a different twist pen other than the Sierra - A twist pen that does not have a pencil option at all - It is a simple process to use the conversion piece, I understand that much....
But you are still without an eraser???

can anyone come up with a solution to convert a pen (that does not have a pencil option) into a pencil?
Say it is for the purpose of needing a pen and pencil set?
Would it be a poor design to require the user to remove the finial end cap in order to click the advancement of the lead and access the eraser when needed?
I have an idea / solution for the conversion - hoping to get some additional input.
Ideas - comments regarding the idea in general.
Thank you in advance for your help and comments
 
But the sierra conversion to a pencil still does not include an eraser. And, now there are sierra pencils and this conversion is not needed.

Yeah I know, I just merely trying to reach out to anyone that may be able to enlighten us on new ideas. Kevin has come up with a great modification on a pen design that does not has a pencil kit and that is why this question has come to light. Sorry for throwing that out there Kevin, but its a great idea to me and I would like to see you be able to make these final issues corrected/perfected!:redface:
 
...and is why I do not do conversions. If I sell a pen and pencil set (and I don't remember the last one I sold) I only offer them where there is a pencil option. So, I'm not very helpful.
Do a good turn daily!
Don



Virgil - That is exactly my point
If you are converting a different twist pen other than the Sierra - A twist pen that does not have a pencil option at all - It is a simple process to use the conversion piece, I understand that much....
But you are still without an eraser???
 
Depends to whom you speak and ask!:biggrin::biggrin:
I meant I don't do pencil conversions. I do plenty of conversions and modification, but not to pencils.

65GTMustang: I do not consider having to remove a pen part to make the eraser useable as a bad design. I can remember when the cap of a mechanical pencil had to be removed to access the eraser. This may still be a feature on some pencils. Removing an end cap or finial to access the eraser is also an acceptable design feature also. Pencils come with the eraser exposed and hidden. Good luck with your design. I look forward to seeing your new creation.
Do a good turn daily!
Don

...and is why I do not do conversions. If I sell a pen and pencil set (and I don't remember the last one I sold) I only offer them where there is a pencil option. So, I'm not very helpful.
Do a good turn daily!
Don

Gees Don, what good are ya?!:confused::biggrin::tongue:
 
Cindy - I have the Cross conversion pencil - and you are correct about it having the eraser - However the issue of the finial cap covering the eraser and the end of the pencil in order to advance the lead is the issue of
'Is it a bad design or cumbersome thing to remove the finial in order to use the pencil"
Thanks for your comments
I will be posting pictures soon
 
All of the high mechanical pencils that I use have a cap covering the eraser. It fills two purposes-it keeps the eraser clean and prevents it from being knocked out of the pencil.
The idea of the eraser being covered is how most mechanical pencils work, but most of them have he end either twisting or propelling the lead by pushing. Can you get enough friction on the end of the converter to advance the lead by twisting? If I like a pencil it would not bother me to have to take the cap off to advance the lead, but I think that is probably a personal preference issue.
 
Interesting thread. Perhaps I could shed a little light here because I was the guy who created the Sierra conversion.

When the sierra pen was introduced in the latter part of 2005 or the early part of 2006 (my memory is a little hasy on the exact time) I thought it would be the perfect kit for a pen & pencil set because 1 blank could make both so the chances of a good match would be increased. It also seemed to be a good fit in either a man or woman's hand so I thought that my chances of selling to men & women would be increased. I also wanted to see if I could make the conversion so that the pen was not "damaged" and could be converted back to a pen if you so desired and I believe that I succeeded in that aspect. In addition, I wanted to create a design that was simple enough that a person who could follow basic directions could make the conversion with a minimum of tools so that I could give back to the community that taught me so much. I believe that I also succeeded there.

My target buyers were the Doctors, Lawyers, Dentists & Engineers who I normally sell to. We all know that Engineers never make mistakes so an eraser is not necessary for them :eek:. You usually cannot read a Doctors or Dentists handwriting anyway so you would never know that they made a mistake and an eraser is not necessary. A lawyer would not be able to erase a mistake because that would be altering a document and we all know how honest they are :cool: so an eraser is not necessary. So, for my targeted buyers an eraser was not a necessity and it was left out. :wink:

My biggest selling point with the set was that If you wanted a pen & pencil set you had one in the size of the sierra, which at the time was the smallest pen with the exception of the atlas & the original wall street pencil which I believe was only sold by woodcraft and had a cross mechanism which I did not care for. Oops, I got off the subject. My selling point was that you could have a pen & pencil set or you could remove the pencil mechanism and could put the ink refill back in and have two pens (read as His & hers set). That worked very well when the wife was standing right there. Truth be told, I did find a way to attach an eraser to the sierra kit but It was far beyond what the average pen turner had available to them as far as equipment was concerned so I never published it. I did have a guy who took my conversion and began competing directly with me when I was selling at shows so when people came to me asking why his pens were $10- $15 less than mine I pointed out that his did not have an eraser and mine did. However I found that the pencil with an eraser did not sell that well for me because of the added costs in converting to the eraser and the fact that it was no longer a "convertible pen" I abandoned that design rather quickly.

You also have to remember that this all happened back in 2006 and since the pen turning world has progressed by leaps and bounds since then I think this is probably outdated information. As Don pointed out you can now get a sierra pencil (I think it comes with an eraser) from many suppliers so my conversion is no longer necessary to create a sierra pencil.
I hope that I might have inspired someone out there to experiment and see what they could produce.

Kevin,

I like your conversion and if you would ever like to discuss anything about the conversion please feel free to drop me a line and I would be happy to discuss.
 
WELL THAT SAYS IT ALL FOLKS
Thank you
That was very good information - you can't get more accurate info then straight from the horses mouth.
Thanks
I will PM shortly - I so have a few other die bar questions.

Thanks to everyone - Please continue to comment - The info has been great!!!
 
FWIW, I still prefer the Schmidt DSM 2006 in a pen kit over a pencil kit. Even though I don't get an integrated eraser, the mechanism has a higher quality feel and will (I believe) last longer.

Regards,
Eric
 
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Eric
I must agree with you on that one
I simply used a slimline pencil mech.
They are much use in the slimline that they come with.

I am going to try to convert a 2mm lead pencil for just for giggles into a squire.

The Squire part on this project is important becasue it was a specific request. Being able to change the crystals out for
genuine Sapphires was something that needed to be done.
Plus the owner is VERY HAPPY! with the set
 
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