Cloning Wooly Mammoth

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I am very active in public side of setting hunting regs and conservation projects here in Alaska. The Musk Ox on the slope are presenting us with a rather bizarre paradox. Western herds are growing like gangbusters! Just doing wonderfully! Eastern herds are disappearing quick! Very quick in fact I have noticed a sharp decline in the areas of the slope I hunt and I only make the trip north 4-5 times a year. One of the bio guys spotted a brown bear hunting them. ears dont normally wander that far north to hunt Musk ox, wolves are there normal predator. The theory is that the bears have figured out that there is easy game just north of where they normally hunt and the brown bears are decimating the population. My all time favorite arctic critter! I used to beg my Dad to take me to Alaska when I was a kid so I could see one! First time I saw one in the wild was the second time the sight of a wild animal brought tears to my eyes, first was a blue whale. I had been told well into my teens by the scientific community both animals would be gone before I ever had a chance to see them.
 

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Guys Bison are not extinct by a long shot, in fact I put in for a hunt permit for them every year here in Alaska. Keep in mind that any species reintroduced after even 1,000 years is no longer a native species, it's an invasive one! Ask the folks on the old mississippi how the asian carp are woking out for them!

So glad this got back to a fun little "what if" theread!

Rick, In Chernobyl Russia or Ukraine, actually the entire region the Bison herds are making tremendous comebacks even with the radiation from the melt down, Wolf's are still growing in numbers, but not as fast as the Bison, and so far they all appear to be doing fine, it's amazing to see Animals survive and thrive where humans can't except for short intervals. The Biologists are wondering why the wild life has been able to endure in the area.
Oh and so far those stupid (YES I said the S word) silver Asian carp are still staying south down in Louisiana, but give them time, kind of like the Pythons or Boa Constrictors in the Everglades are spreading as well.
So I'm wondering if we are also an invasive species?? That would explain a lot!!

Kind of the same thing when they experimented with Africanized Honey Bees........whops....they excaped.....

We were told not to worry, they won't like the cold.....well, they're still making their way north....not good for our domestic honey bee population!

It's not nice to fool with 'Mother' nature!!!


Barney
 
Think of the possibilities. Mammoth burgers at Micky D's :eek: How many thousands of starving children could be fed on a herd of these. :smile-big:

Cons:
The biggest and worse one I can think of is methane. Cows are a huge producer of the green house gas methane. Imagine what a large herd of the would do to global warming, not to mention the smell. :biggrin:

Anyway, I had fun reading this. It was like a History Channel vs. Nat Geo debate. We have some pretty intelligent and informed people on here.
 
Beware of claims that "common sense" is the best course of action. There was a scientist a few years back who had an idea that sick people should be given strong poisions to cure them. Curing sickness with something that could kill? Common sense? To much suprise it worked, now we call it chemo therpy. Common sense foils too many wild ideas before they get a chance. Personally I find common sense to be overated.
 
Chasper I am not trying to be argumentative, honestly I am not.......however drugs like cisplatin attack fast growing cells. The forms of cancer it is used to treat are clusters of fast growing cells. When you look at how the drug effects the cells of the body it does make sence.
 
Not likely

More than 90% of the worlds species have already gone extinct the last 200 years have not seen much of an acceleration when compared to the Permian extinction or any of the several other mass die offs mother nature orchestrated. We have screwed things up to be sure but only human arrogance would put our ability to kill at the same level as the comet that wiped out the dinosaurs over night! Only propaganda would ignore the progress we have made since the 50's.......it has been 44 years since the Detroit river caught fire and several species including the Bald eagle and all of the great whales, have made a stunning come backs!

I saw a blurb on the news that scientists actually are about to attempt cloning Wooly Mammoth's HOW Stupid can educated supposedly intelligent people get, do you suppose there was a reason they became extinct in the first place?? they say they will have one on the ground within 3 to 5 years. And some of you think I'm Nuts?? what about them???
the nice thing is think of all the Ivory Whoopee!!!!!!

This isn't the first time in history when the unenlightened masses have concluded that scientists and thinkers of all types were "stupid." In most cases the accusers were motivated by religious beliefs, nationalism, or a combination of both; pretty much the same as today. Great thinkers have been executed, kicked out of their churches and otherwise demonized for their theories. We are currently in a time when it is the scientists who are mocked and ridiculed for the hypotheses they advance and the experiments they propose.

It could be as much as 99% of all species that have ever been documented are now extinct and the majority of them died off in one of the extinction events. However, the extinction events were hardly overnight occurrences; the End Permian extinction event probably occurred in multiple waves that lasted most of a million years. That is still overnight in geological time. The Cretaceous-Tertiary event probably was triggered by a bolide impact, but the dinosaurs didn't all die overnight. There is good evidence that there were other causal events in the same time era. To say that the dinosaurs died off within a few hundred thousand years would be a better description of the timing than to say overnight.

The Holocene extinction event which we are currently experiencing has been going on for 12,000 or so years and the rate of extinctions during this time period is proceeding at a faster pace than the End Permian which was the greatest of all extinction events to date. If this continues for another million or so years it will easily be the greatest of all extinction events.

While it is unlikely that human involvement was only cause of the extinction of mammoths and other megafauna, there is no doubt that humans hunted them and no doubt that humans have played a role in the extinction of other species over the last few thousand years. I might be stupid, but given that we are killing off species at about the fastest rate ever, I think it sounds like a good idea to work out how to revive them. How stupid would it be to think otherwise?

Animals including mammal hunt other animals including other mammals. Man is not alone in the role of hunter, truth is until man became pretty proficient in making and using weapons he was as likely to be the hunted as the hunter.

Animal life and species come and go and have been doing so for a lot longer than man has been around. Tigers are becoming scarce - they eat people and the people who are likely to be the eatees do not like that so they kill tigers. Tigers are a beautiful animal but I still wouldn't have wanted to raise my kids in the same neighborhood where they live.
 
I wonder if Mammoth tastes like chicken?

Cloning a Mammoth is just plain sexy, much like going to the moon was. Sure they could focus on an ancient slug that looks pretty much like a modern slug, but it wouldn't stimulate the senses in the same way that a Mammoth does.

I don't think that the key to curing cancer or to extending human life will come from Mammoth urine, but the science developed to clone a Mammoth, or even the children encouraged to pursue science as a career because they followed the cloning of a Mammoth, will affect things like cancer research in the future. We don't always know how we will capitalize on what we learn from scientific exploration, but I think we've always found a way to do just that. Not to say that there isn't plenty of stupid science going on in the world, and even more stupid pseudo-science, but I'll save that rant for another day.

Jim in NC
 
Just to move this discussion in a little different direction, say it was possible to clone and reverse the extinction of Neanderthals, and it may soon become possible. Should we do it?

Modern humans probably played a role in their demise, either by cross breeding them out of existance of killing them if that matters to anyone.
 
Just to move this discussion in a little different direction, say it was possible to clone and reverse the extinction of Neanderthals, and it may soon become possible. Should we do it?

Modern humans probably played a role in their demise, either by cross breeding them out of existance of killing them if that matters to anyone.

I take it you've never been to Western Tennessee, we have one of the largest populations of Neanderthals in the United States!! but their constant battles with the Cro-magnons, are proving that the Natural selection theory may be wrong. it's like living near the land that time should forget!! But can't !!!
 
Hmmmmm

Just to move this discussion in a little different direction, say it was possible to clone and reverse the extinction of Neanderthals, and it may soon become possible. Should we do it?

Modern humans probably played a role in their demise, either by cross breeding them out of existance of killing them if that matters to anyone.

That is one hypothsis - to me neither scenario seems to be entirely supported by the fossil evidence. It is known that the Neanderthals did exist at the same time as more modern humans so they are probably not modern man's ancestor as was thought for a long time.

I also hold a personal opinion that before the advent of modern firearms that humans never "hunted" any of those large animals into extinction. They were too hard to kill. One would be unlikely to try to take on a sabre tooth tiger of some of the giant bears for sport. Humans probably killed them if they had to but I suspect they didn't go looking for them very often.
 
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