You can post that in Casual Conversation or Penturning or wherever you feel you'll get the best response. There is no dedicated forum for those sort of posts. There just aren't enough of them to warrant a separate section.
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glycerine
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shadetree_1
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Jeff,
Can you make it so that when a person reports his post as closed that it is closed and moved to the closed file right away, as opposed to waiting for the mods to move it ? That would help to ease the crowding in the classifieds, because as most everyone that posts in the classified will attest to, sometimes it takes a couple of days for the mods to move the posts and if I understand the new rules correctly, with the limit on posts , you can't post a new one until the old one has been moved by the mods?
I understand that the mods have lives to live also and do this in what spare time they have,( and if they have a family, or a business, that time is very limited,) this would allow the little guys like me, to be able to offer more to the members.
I don't turn anymore as with Lindas illness we can't afford the tools, but we still get a kick out of seeing our woods turned into a beautiful pen.
I hope this can be done.
Thanks
Joe and Linda
from Wittmann AZ
Can you make it so that when a person reports his post as closed that it is closed and moved to the closed file right away, as opposed to waiting for the mods to move it ? That would help to ease the crowding in the classifieds, because as most everyone that posts in the classified will attest to, sometimes it takes a couple of days for the mods to move the posts and if I understand the new rules correctly, with the limit on posts , you can't post a new one until the old one has been moved by the mods?
I understand that the mods have lives to live also and do this in what spare time they have,( and if they have a family, or a business, that time is very limited,) this would allow the little guys like me, to be able to offer more to the members.
I don't turn anymore as with Lindas illness we can't afford the tools, but we still get a kick out of seeing our woods turned into a beautiful pen.
I hope this can be done.
Thanks
Joe and Linda
from Wittmann AZ
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OK guys and gals, it seems that the "hot blooded" reactions to the new classifieds rules by some of you, are dissipating as expected, there are many upset people out there that are reacting upon their own interpretation of what the new rules are but, let me give you a free piece of advice, spend the time reading this threat from the very first post, even before you have read Jeff's new classified rules, located under "rules" (I put this here as I, and many others had a hard time in finding its location, initially...!), seat back, digest, and have a coup of coffee, then read the new rules, you will be glad that you took the time...!
I have certainly did that and when I decided to read Jeff's new rules threads, the whole thing made a lot more sense...!
I find myself in a predicament, not in relation to the "pay if you want to sell...!" or "advertising costs money ...!" but in relation to what is considered "advertising"...!
There as been a few examples discussed in this thread, which I have some issues but, in my particular situation, where I participate directly and indirectly with so many facets of the pen making world. As an IAP member, I post in all sorts of subjects, I offer suggestions on pen making procedures and wood turning in general BUT, my strongest contribution and ability is in providing people with information about wood as a natural product.
That, takes me to the next step which is, making those woods available to anyone that wants them, regardless of location so, in between my experience as a wood worker and my passion for woods, I find myself talking about them "extensively", at the first opportunity.
Do I only talk about the woods that I sell...??? absolutely not, and in most cases, the last thing on my mind is the commercial/business side of things, where I openly speak about the product and its applications and not how much of it I have and how I can sell it to you.
In "some people" opinion/views, If I'm talking about it is because I want you to buy it, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince them that they couldn't not be further from the truth, however, I'm not going to accept that as the reality.
With the new Classifieds rules, the confusing and some times personal interpretation of what one can consider as "advertisement", and the attempt by Jeff to "control" some of the "wild birds around" (and please, don't make to explain what I mean, here...!), something that even I could see, as "sneaky", I'm a little concern on how, I'm going to be interpreted as...!!!
Stop talking about what I know best, is not an option, ain't going to happen, unless I'm banned (that has happened before...!), my tendency to evidentiate what I do and say with pictures, has got me in hot water many times before, while some members, wouldn't have it in any other way so, my concerns are not of a serious nature but are of interest to me so, I would like hear Jeff's and others with a hand on the pie, opinions...! What do guys like me should do...???
Actually, the first thing that I wanted to write at the beginning of this post was a question, which I don't recall to have read the answer anywhere yet (I may be wrong...!), the question is this, when are these new rules going to the activated...???
I apologize by focusing my post on my situation as a member and a vendor, there has been other very personal examples explained and discussed here so I hope that I'm not out of place...!
Cheers
George
George
The new rules begin Oct 1.
Did you read the Product Reference Rules?
I think it clearly addresses your questions, but I am always interested in specific new words that make things clearer. Maybe the reason it's not crystal clear is that I am not good at explaining what I think is common sense. I realize what is common sense to me may not be to anyone else! :biggrin:
Talk all you want about wood. Educate us, help us use it, share your knowledge. Just don't post links to your IAP sales or off-site product catalogs, prices, or blatantly shout that you sell what you're discussing.
Does that clear it up at all?
OKLAHOMAN
Member
Placeing an ad once a week!
Joe that's a good question and I also would like that done. If I want to post an ad once a week on Friday in the regular classified and report each week that the previous weeks ad is to be closed Thursday so I can place my new ad on Friday will we be allowed to place the new ad if the Mods haven't closed the old ad?
Joe that's a good question and I also would like that done. If I want to post an ad once a week on Friday in the regular classified and report each week that the previous weeks ad is to be closed Thursday so I can place my new ad on Friday will we be allowed to place the new ad if the Mods haven't closed the old ad?
Gin N' Tonic
Member
Hey!
How about those Packers!
Where's the pickle pen when you need it.
How about those Packers!
Where's the pickle pen when you need it.
Texatdurango
Member
Hey!
How about those Packers!
Where's the pickle pen when you need it.
Now just how many do you think will remember the pickle pen? :biggrin:
Would a new moderator, one that is primarily responsible for the threads in the classified be in Order. Some one who has the time to continuously monitor the site? Or at least is on here almost all the time?
ed4copies
Local Chapter Manager
Regarding closing old ads, it seems, as a practical matter, that if you request an ad be closed on Thursday, then place an ad on Friday, the only way the Friday ad would be deleted is by a mod.
IF this were to happen, you could courteously explain you asked for the past ad to be closed, yesterday. I am confident the mods would check and realize you complied with the rules, and close one and restore the new one (if it has already been deleted).
No real harm done.
Seems we (vendors) should be prepared to "roll with the punches" for a while, let the Mod team do their jobs.
I'm pretty confident they will be attempting to ASSIST us in this transition, not fight us!!!!
Once again I would like to thank all the folks who help run the IAP and, once again, reiterate Exotic Blanks will be happy to pay for ads to support the IAP!!! And no, this will not affect our participation in the Bash.
Like all changes, let's give this a chance!! So far, Jeff and the others seem somewhat flexible--as problems develop let's allow them to SOLVE the problem with mutual co-operation.
I think they will!!
IF this were to happen, you could courteously explain you asked for the past ad to be closed, yesterday. I am confident the mods would check and realize you complied with the rules, and close one and restore the new one (if it has already been deleted).
No real harm done.
Seems we (vendors) should be prepared to "roll with the punches" for a while, let the Mod team do their jobs.
I'm pretty confident they will be attempting to ASSIST us in this transition, not fight us!!!!
Once again I would like to thank all the folks who help run the IAP and, once again, reiterate Exotic Blanks will be happy to pay for ads to support the IAP!!! And no, this will not affect our participation in the Bash.
Like all changes, let's give this a chance!! So far, Jeff and the others seem somewhat flexible--as problems develop let's allow them to SOLVE the problem with mutual co-operation.
I think they will!!
OKLAHOMAN
Member
I totally agree with all you said, just was thinking that if there were a way that an ad could be closed without adding to the Mods already heavy work load. Classic will as you said will" roll with the punches" and happily will pay for advertising to help benefit the IAP. In no way was I saying that the Mods Job wasn't going to be done in a acceptable manner, just wondering if there was a way we could help.
ed4copies
Local Chapter Manager
Roy,
I was not attempting to take shots at you or any other comments made.
Just an observation about "normal reaction to change".
First we don't like it.
Second we resist it.
So, we've gotten past that in the past two days, so now "let's help make it work"!!!
ALL of us, not you or me or any other ONE person.
I was not attempting to take shots at you or any other comments made.
Just an observation about "normal reaction to change".
First we don't like it.
Second we resist it.
So, we've gotten past that in the past two days, so now "let's help make it work"!!!
ALL of us, not you or me or any other ONE person.
MesquiteMan
Retired Head Moderator
There is no automated way to do it. I do believe that with the changes to the rules to prevent advertising and the subsequent "fighting in pms" that occur due to dealing with this advertising, that we will be freed up more to deal with closed ads. Some folks have been posting and closing 2 ads PER DAY. There was no ramification to not getting right on moving the ads so sometimes, we allowed them to set until it was more convenient for us to move them. With the new rules, we understand that not moving the ads will cause issues for the person wanting to create a new ad so you will see the ads get moved much more quickly. However, if I see or get complaints that we are not responding quickly enough, I will certainly ad another moderator. My goal is to have all closed ad request handled in less than 2 hours, hopefully quicker.
If you were to expect a dedicated moderator to move ads that is here most of the time (remember this is an international site so it would have to be 24/7) then we would have to go to a schedule with assigned shifts. This gets into the realm of a job and you will not find anyone who is willing to volunteer their time and have to have a set schedule that is dependable. That would mean we would have to start paying the moderator staff. Either that or bring on 10 new moderators to try to make sure someone is always here and that would be a complete nightmare.
As is now, myself and my 2 assistants all receive an e-mail every time a post is reported, including closed ad request via the yellow triangle. I know that Dean and myself at least both have that e-mail set to come to our iPhones (that Jeff pays for...just kidding). That means I get an e-mail 24/7 anytime someone reports a post. As long as I am not out hunting or fishing where I do not have my phone with me, I can deal with the request right away via ForumRunner. So basically, we are on call 24/7 already for the most part.
If you were to expect a dedicated moderator to move ads that is here most of the time (remember this is an international site so it would have to be 24/7) then we would have to go to a schedule with assigned shifts. This gets into the realm of a job and you will not find anyone who is willing to volunteer their time and have to have a set schedule that is dependable. That would mean we would have to start paying the moderator staff. Either that or bring on 10 new moderators to try to make sure someone is always here and that would be a complete nightmare.
As is now, myself and my 2 assistants all receive an e-mail every time a post is reported, including closed ad request via the yellow triangle. I know that Dean and myself at least both have that e-mail set to come to our iPhones (that Jeff pays for...just kidding). That means I get an e-mail 24/7 anytime someone reports a post. As long as I am not out hunting or fishing where I do not have my phone with me, I can deal with the request right away via ForumRunner. So basically, we are on call 24/7 already for the most part.
Dave Turner
Member
After reading and re-reading the product reference rules, I interpret them to mean:
Outside the classified forums, a member is not allowed to reference any individual or company with whom they have a beneficial relationship. As long as no reference is made, those with beneficial relationships are encouraged to participate.
Definitions:
reference - to mention a name, pseudonym, website, other identifying information (such as proprietary product names), or provide a link to a web page related to that individual or company.
beneficial relationship - you or a close relative directly or indirectly benefit if that individual or company increases business
Is this a reasonable paraphrase of the rule?
Outside the classified forums, a member is not allowed to reference any individual or company with whom they have a beneficial relationship. As long as no reference is made, those with beneficial relationships are encouraged to participate.
Definitions:
reference - to mention a name, pseudonym, website, other identifying information (such as proprietary product names), or provide a link to a web page related to that individual or company.
beneficial relationship - you or a close relative directly or indirectly benefit if that individual or company increases business
Is this a reasonable paraphrase of the rule?
My rotary dial phone doesn't receive texts for some reason (yes, I still have a rotary dial phone)...so I don't get to move posts as quickly as Dean and Curtis - but I help as best I can...
I'm not on 24-7, but we'll do our best...a small degree of patience will be necessary, however...(tough in this 'I want it done now' cutlure, admittedly)
As long as everyone realizes that we're here as volunteers, ready to help, things should go smoothly.
I'm not on 24-7, but we'll do our best...a small degree of patience will be necessary, however...(tough in this 'I want it done now' cutlure, admittedly)
As long as everyone realizes that we're here as volunteers, ready to help, things should go smoothly.
ed4copies
Local Chapter Manager
That phrase, alone will cause some problems. So, take it with a grain of salt. Berea asserts that the names of some of their pens, including "sierra" are "proprietary". Others would assert that they have equal right to the name.
We are not always aware of the battles that are raging over words we think we know how to define.
Just an observation.
wood-of-1kind
Member
Hey!
Where's the pickle pen when you need it.
Now just how many do you think will remember the pickle pen? :biggrin:
I remember it. Do I get a prize??:wink: And, NO I don't want a pickle pen as the prize.:biggrin:
Dave Turner
Member
Agree. Bad choice of words. Should read "(such as product names associated with less than three vendors)".
This prevents people from plugging products that only a few sell, which is equivalent to plugging the vendors themselves. Whether you want to make it three or some other number is open for discussion, but I think a number should be set.
I agree
PSI also claims some but not all of their names as proprietary. An interesting problem might be that business relationships do not have to be disclosed and frequently are not. For good business reasons two vendors may not want to disclose that they are cooperating in some business activities.
lunch
I think I'll have a pickle for lunch. Vlastic Kosher Dill I believe - not as good as we got from the NY street vendors, but not bad.Hey!
Where's the pickle pen when you need it.
Now just how many do you think will remember the pickle pen? :biggrin:
I remember it. Do I get a prize??:wink: And, NO I don't want a pickle pen as the prize.:biggrin:
Andrew_K99
Member
Careful, I don't think Vlastic paid for that ad.I think I'll have a pickle for lunch. Vlastic Kosher Dill I believe - not as good as we got from the NY street vendors, but not bad.Hey!
Where's the pickle pen when you need it.
Now just how many do you think will remember the pickle pen? :biggrin:
I remember it. Do I get a prize??:wink: And, NO I don't want a pickle pen as the prize.:biggrin:
soligen
Member
Careful, I don't think Vlastic paid for that ad.I think I'll have a pickle for lunch. Vlastic Kosher Dill I believe - not as good as we got from the NY street vendors, but not bad.Hey!
Where's the pickle pen when you need it.
Now just how many do you think will remember the pickle pen? :biggrin:
I remember it. Do I get a prize??:wink: And, NO I don't want a pickle pen as the prize.:biggrin:
Talk about thread divergence LOL ..... Should we now just all all the new classified rules the "Pickle Rules"?
ed4copies
Local Chapter Manager
I hope they didn't pay for it---their NAME is misspelled!
Tough rule to figure
I am having a hard time digesting the reference rule - I am going to use you for an example Ed...
Ed sells a lot of things I have bought blanks from Ed that I use for my personal pens and do not resell - I don't sell pens very much either and don't offer them for sale at all any more.
I buy other things from Ed that I do resell. I also compete with Ed on a couple of items
Does this rule apply to commenting about blanks or just to the items I resell. I have no dog in the hunt with respect to the blanks exotics sells.
I already don't comment on competing products so that's no issue for me.
The items I resell I can't make reference.
A lot of people here buy blanks for resale as part of the products they make for sale. Are they all prohibited from making reference to where they got the blanks?
This isn't a big personal issue for me because I seldom reference other vendors but it does look like it could be a cat with it's tail caught in the washing machine (wringer type like my mom had).
I am having a hard time digesting the reference rule - I am going to use you for an example Ed...
Ed sells a lot of things I have bought blanks from Ed that I use for my personal pens and do not resell - I don't sell pens very much either and don't offer them for sale at all any more.
I buy other things from Ed that I do resell. I also compete with Ed on a couple of items
Does this rule apply to commenting about blanks or just to the items I resell. I have no dog in the hunt with respect to the blanks exotics sells.
I already don't comment on competing products so that's no issue for me.
The items I resell I can't make reference.
A lot of people here buy blanks for resale as part of the products they make for sale. Are they all prohibited from making reference to where they got the blanks?
This isn't a big personal issue for me because I seldom reference other vendors but it does look like it could be a cat with it's tail caught in the washing machine (wringer type like my mom had).
No relationship
True but I have no known relatives on either my side or my wife's side of the family who work for, deliver to, own stock in or wave as they drive past the Vlastic factory.
I must add a disclaimer though - with a name like Smith I do have to acknowledge that there is a definite probablility that I have at least 2 or 3 third cousins once or twice removed who do. My father had 14 aunts and uncles and over 70 first cousins, My mother had 8 aunts and uncles and over 60 first cousins (all of those are 1st cousins once removed to me. I had 20 aunts and uncles and 60 first cousins. So a little arithmetic reveals that down one or two generations I have one big batch of cousins - not to mention my neices and nephews along with the grands and great grands.
Careful, I don't think Vlastic paid for that ad.I think I'll have a pickle for lunch. Vlastic Kosher Dill I believe - not as good as we got from the NY street vendors, but not bad.Hey!
Where's the pickle pen when you need it.
Now just how many do you think will remember the pickle pen? :biggrin:
I remember it. Do I get a prize??:wink: And, NO I don't want a pickle pen as the prize.:biggrin:
True but I have no known relatives on either my side or my wife's side of the family who work for, deliver to, own stock in or wave as they drive past the Vlastic factory.
I must add a disclaimer though - with a name like Smith I do have to acknowledge that there is a definite probablility that I have at least 2 or 3 third cousins once or twice removed who do. My father had 14 aunts and uncles and over 70 first cousins, My mother had 8 aunts and uncles and over 60 first cousins (all of those are 1st cousins once removed to me. I had 20 aunts and uncles and 60 first cousins. So a little arithmetic reveals that down one or two generations I have one big batch of cousins - not to mention my neices and nephews along with the grands and great grands.
tbroye
Member
17 days left. Let's keep the thread going.
hmmmm
Of course it is - they are not paying me to advertise - if they want it spelled correctly they need to at least send me a cents off coupon.
glycerine
Member
Ah ha! Our first loophole. So if you referred to "exotics" as "eggs hot ticks" then you wouldn't be breaking the rules...
:biggrin: 
Dave Turner
Member
"Outside the classified forums, a member is not allowed to reference any individual or company with whom they have a beneficial relationship. As long as no reference is made, those with beneficial relationships are encouraged to participate." (I'm quoting myself here - this isn't the official rule)
My take on this (which is probably worth the paper this is written on):
Merely buying products from a company does not establish a beneficial relationship as long as you are getting the same treatment as anyone else in IAP. If you are getting a special deal that others in the community cannot get, then you have a beneficial relationship.
In your specific case, you state that you compete with Ed on a few items. This establishes a beneficial relationship. Theoretically, if Ed's business does poorly, you have the potential to benefit on those competitive items.
As long as you don't reference Ed's business or your own business, you can comment on whatever you want. You can also comment on any products as long as they are not relatively exclusive to Ed's or your business.
I'd be interested in Jeff's take on this.
Dave
Texatdurango
Member
Ah ha! Our first loophole. So if you referred to "exotics" as "eggs hot ticks" then you wouldn't be breaking the rules...
Jeremy don't give the vendors any more ideas, Im sure they already have the rules totally figured out as well as all the loopholes and ways to get around them! :biggrin:
Remember, it was either Jeff or Curtis who said several pages back that most of these changes we're experiencing were caused by a few bad apples. Keep in mind that we still have the same barrel and the same apples are still in it......... even the bad apples!
edman2
Local Chapter Leader
As I read these rules they apply only to sellers about products they tend to gain income from. As a non seller, I can reference my source for blanks, kits, etc as long as I don't editorialize (X vendor is wonderful, good looking, and hand delivers my stuff all the way across the country). BUT, I can say this is a (kit name) with (blank name) from (vendor name). That will answer many of the questions that always come when a pen is shown.
If I want to tell how wonderful X vendor is, I can use the Cheers and Jeers forum under those rules.
If I want to tell how wonderful X vendor is, I can use the Cheers and Jeers forum under those rules.
Padre
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Curtis, you and the other mods do an incredible job, and get a lot of grief for it. But, thank you for doing it.
ed4copies
Local Chapter Manager
Notice a theme??
A handful of people complain about advertising.
A handful of people complain about the mods.
Maybe we are approaching this wrong---get rid of the "handful of people"!!
A handful of people complain about advertising.
A handful of people complain about the mods.
Maybe we are approaching this wrong---get rid of the "handful of people"!!
Texatdurango
Member
Or, stop bickering!
I like my option!
I like my option!
Timebandit
Member
Me three!!!!............but I will tell........it was Mesquiteman, Mesquiteman AND Mesquiteman............there out to get me to tell you :biggrin:
A few posts back you said you never bought anything from me....well you did, you just haven't paid me yet.:biggrin::biggrin: OK so technically it was a trade....
LOL!! Yep theres a Loopole!!! No money was exchanged!!!:biggrin: It was a trade........................that will be fullfiled this week:redface::biggrin:
bitshird
Member
OK I'll comment on my feelings about this debacle, I do have a dog in the hunt, and I'll pay the price for the premium adds.
I hate to say this, but I agree with Ed. Get rid of the few bad apples. Let us not forget that one of the finest most creative and innovative pen turners was booted off the site, AND he was a definite value, and a tremendous loss to us all.
I've noticed the largest gripes coming not from many of the Business class dealers and a few questions that actually are valid concerns from some small individuals, that most likely will get hurt with this new policy. I know that some of the business folk do rather well selling their custom cast blanks, and I've seen a few pretty shady postings in places other than the classifieds, These were worded in such a way that they just barely skirted the existing policy's, I'm not going to single out any single person because there have been several, in fact 3 or 4 come to mind immediately.
I do find the nitpicking getting to be beyond monotonous, and plainly isn't going to accomplish any thing, other than roll out more of the B.S that has been coming out of a few posters keyboards who really haven't been here long at all, and almost smells of shill posting, just to keep this stirred up..
This is Jeff's site, we can either play by his rules and quit beating this horse, which apparently died from user stupidity, Or go to another site, there are several, I do feel sorry for people like Alice, and her Corian sales, and also for some of the small sellers of blanks, I don't think they can afford to pay the 5.00 fee, But there is also a free option as I read the DOC (which gave me a headache).
hopefully this will cut down on the MODS getting bombarded with requests to stop user A from posting every time they find some new way of grabbing our cash.
The only problem I see is that the pictures be hosted on the IAP, For me this is no problem, but with only 48 hours to place the red X on a picture of blanks, doesn't seem a long enough period particularly when the user is paying for a week or two weeks on their add.
Jeff, Curtis, Andrew and Dean, I wouldn't be in your shoes if I were to be the one getting the money for the adds!!,
Now back to the conflict.
I'm going to try and do a little work!!
I hate to say this, but I agree with Ed. Get rid of the few bad apples. Let us not forget that one of the finest most creative and innovative pen turners was booted off the site, AND he was a definite value, and a tremendous loss to us all.
I've noticed the largest gripes coming not from many of the Business class dealers and a few questions that actually are valid concerns from some small individuals, that most likely will get hurt with this new policy. I know that some of the business folk do rather well selling their custom cast blanks, and I've seen a few pretty shady postings in places other than the classifieds, These were worded in such a way that they just barely skirted the existing policy's, I'm not going to single out any single person because there have been several, in fact 3 or 4 come to mind immediately.
I do find the nitpicking getting to be beyond monotonous, and plainly isn't going to accomplish any thing, other than roll out more of the B.S that has been coming out of a few posters keyboards who really haven't been here long at all, and almost smells of shill posting, just to keep this stirred up..
This is Jeff's site, we can either play by his rules and quit beating this horse, which apparently died from user stupidity, Or go to another site, there are several, I do feel sorry for people like Alice, and her Corian sales, and also for some of the small sellers of blanks, I don't think they can afford to pay the 5.00 fee, But there is also a free option as I read the DOC (which gave me a headache).
hopefully this will cut down on the MODS getting bombarded with requests to stop user A from posting every time they find some new way of grabbing our cash.
The only problem I see is that the pictures be hosted on the IAP, For me this is no problem, but with only 48 hours to place the red X on a picture of blanks, doesn't seem a long enough period particularly when the user is paying for a week or two weeks on their add.
Jeff, Curtis, Andrew and Dean, I wouldn't be in your shoes if I were to be the one getting the money for the adds!!,
Now back to the conflict.
I'm going to try and do a little work!!
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edman2
Local Chapter Leader
OKLAHOMAN
Member
Works for me, I'll volunteer to moderate the classified:wink:, I see no conflict of interest, we'll do it alphabetically....lets see C comes before E or I :biggrin: Hey that really works for me:tongue:. Just kidding folks, looks like Jeff and the Mods have it covered, thanks Curtis for clearing that up.
, we'll do it alphabetically....lets see C comes before E or I :biggrin: Hey that really works for me:tongue:. Just kidding folks, looks like Jeff and the Mods have it covered, thanks Curtis for clearing that up.
GoodTurns
Member
one of the first rules of business...80% of your business comes from 20% of your customers....we're probably closer to 95% of complaints and "moderatings" coming from 5% of users. Unfortunately, much of society today is governed by the screamers on the fringes or the instigators who just want to pick a fight to see their name in lights and not the masses....
The VAST majority of IAP users are 1) not business sellers 2) happy to work with the rules laid down by our host and 3) grateful for the many thing we gain from the site.
I sell casually, like many here.... my selling will not materially change from the rule changes...I'll have to click "steals and deals" instead of "Individual Classifieds" or "Trades and Giveaways", wow, that's gonna be tough.
We have about 20 folks here who consistently sell in the current Business Classifieds, many have already chimed in that they are happy to work within the new rules. Do the math on this... if each of them ran a premium ad each week, that's $800 a month to the site... how many of you would even be willing to listen to the **** that has been dished over this for that kind of money...ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN KEEP IT!
This site has proven several times over the last few years that it can and will survive the loss of "important" people.... amazingly, we now have "new" important people.... the art of penmaking grows, changes, moves, and we constantly (not a plug and I have no beneficial arrangement with anyone named constant :wink
evolve. One of the many reasons behind this overhaul is a fantastically talented caster who got over on many of us a couple of years back.... we now have several new "superstars" of casting. If people are upset enough to run screaming from the building, new people will run in to find out what the excitement is all about!I am grateful to Jeff and his team and thank them for their calm and balanced responses to the many challenges they have seen over the last few days...I am VERY grateful that I only see the "front-end" of this...I can't imagine the PM traffic!
Or, stop bickering!
I like my option!
I vote with Andrew! Picnic at my house!
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alphageek
Former Moderator
Works for me, I'll volunteer to moderate the classified:wink:, I see no conflict of interest
Curtis hit the nail on the head for the most part. I actually have a special rule in my iphone that pops moderation requests differently. However, in a normal day, that rule hits multiple times a day (more like 10 in many days) and when I see that its a close, not a moderation request - unless I'm very free, there is no incentive to close it.
We should be able to close MUCH faster overall. The only thing that I would like to ad is that all the moderators are in similar time zones - so if you are a 3rd shift person it may take a bit longer.
One other thing that people don't realize... These new rules could drastically help both sellers and buyers. If there is only 4 pages of consolidated ads vs 13 pages of ads, it may be easier for buyers to find stuff to buy!
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