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SCR0LL3R said:
I want to see the signatures, I wasn't complaining about them. I want to know what I can buy where.

I personally would prefer that a person could say where they got the material to make the pen, even if they made it themselves. Yes, this could be abused but I haven't found it to be abused so far. I know I don't make the rules... I'm just expressing my opinion.
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I dont think they are saying you cant cast a blank, make a pen, and then show it off and tell everyone that you made the blank yourself. They are saying that if you are making blanks in quantity and selling them for a profit like a business would, that you cant make a pen out of a blank that you obviously make and sell and state that you make them, and have them for sale. Thats considered advertising for the blanks that you make and sell.
 
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Wow just seen all this DRAMA,lol.Seems like $5/$10 is pricey for a single post I think a membership is the way to go for vendors???I stopped selling(well almost)over a year ago when the rules stopped allowing you to edit the original post,just made it to hard to keep things straight.Still can't see why that is a good rule as I just read a ton of people saying the rule makes no sence to them as well.The rules seem to just try to make money for the IAP,I know it needs money(what about membership/like most our local turning clubs have,mine is $25 a year)I just sold a few things so I could make a donation to the site.

Question???
I'm guessing that no matter what I will be treated as a vendor if I was to post a few things(odds and ends not part of my normal production sales)in the free ads?So I would not be able to ever post things for sale?

When I first read about fees for the classified ads and them being very low I thought a dollar per ad not $5/$10 that is a lot of money for an ad.Just my thought take them as you will.Victor
 
Thanks for inviting all of us into your living room. This is THE largest wealth of free knowledge for pen making on the web. I applaud you in changing some of the rules because this site has to be a big financial drain. If and when I do sell something, I'll be glad to pay for that right.

With that said, the service Smitty has been provided is to be commended. No where can we get these kits for the price, (without paying for MOQ on our own). Please find some way to allow this to continue.

And if someone wants to know how much it costs to run a site like this, let them start their own. It'll be a quick learning experience.
 
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I've read through the rules and been following this thread all day. Would like to throw out a few random thoughts.

I don't sell anything here but do buy quite a few things. I hope that the rules, as they apply to vendors, don't end up being a block for buyers. In particular when a vendor offers a variety of blanks and the buyer selects the ones to buy. As I understand the rules that transaction is to be handled via PM and email. How does the next person know what is left? Maybe I'm just too dense to understand the process.

I do know even under the current program of not being able to update the quantities left I've simple passed on some things. Call me lazy but I simply wasn't interested in going back through the whole thread and log and count what was left.

I also beleive the "Smitty" rule should provide some latitude, maybe handle these on an individual basis. Seems to be the way of todays world but it is certainly a shame when the actions of a few put a burdon on the majority.

Again, I have no dog in this race and understand rules need to be established and enforced. Comments and input was asked for and these are afew things that come to mind.

Carl
 
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SCR0LL3R said:
I want to see the signatures, I wasn't complaining about them. I want to know what I can buy where.

I personally would prefer that a person could say where they got the material to make the pen, even if they made it themselves. Yes, this could be abused but I haven't found it to be abused so far. I know I don't make the rules... I'm just expressing my opinion.
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You may not have found that it is abuse but as moderators and managers who have to deal with all of this, we HAVE found that it is abused quite frequently.
 
steeler fan1 said:
I don't sell anything here but do buy quite a few things. I hope that the rules, as they apply to vendors, don't end up being a block for buyers. In particular when a vendor offers a variety of blanks and the buyer selects the ones to buy. As I understand the rules that transaction is to be handled via PM and email.
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Carl, You have not read all of the rules. You are correct in the regular classifieds. If a seller sells a lot of blanks and has you pick from a lot, then they really need to use the Premium Classifieds where "claiming posts" are allowed, no problem. The parts that have to be handled through PM or e-mail are the "PM sent", "Paypal sent", "order shipped", "order received" sort of posts.
 
To answer a few of the questions (Carl, Tim, & Victor - I'm working off your posts, but there is others too):

About the "variety of blanks" and updating quantities:
- Those are not being closed down, however those will have to be in the premium classifieds. In those ads, posts can be made to claim specific blanks. The transactions by email and PM are to reduce the message volumes when someone has 500 widgets to sell (or no limit) and the posts are "I'll take 3", etc.

About the editing rules:
- The editing restrictions had to be done because on at least 2 occasions a member went back and started removing mass amounts of posts. Jeff put those rules in place to protect the site as a whole so threads done get messed up.

About the rule people are calling the "Smitty" rule:
- This is not just about Smitty. The rules were adapted based on a variety of things that happened or were noticed. Smitty has been given some options to consider.

(Victors question):
- "Will I be considered a vendor?": The new ads are not based on vendor or not. Each poster could post in each area, but has to follow the rules of that specific area.

Dean
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alphageek said:
To answer a few of the questions (Carl, Tim, & Victor - I'm working off your posts, but there is others too):

About the "variety of blanks" and updating quantities:
- Those are not being closed down, however those will have to be in the premium classifieds. In those ads, posts can be made to claim specific blanks. The transactions by email and PM are to reduce the message volumes when someone has 500 widgets to sell (or no limit) and the posts are "I'll take 3", etc.

About the editing rules:
- The editing restrictions had to be done because on at least 2 occasions a member went back and started removing mass amounts of posts. Jeff put those rules in place to protect the site as a whole so threads done get messed up.

About the rule people are calling the "Smitty" rule:
- This is not just about Smitty. The rules were adapted based on a variety of things that happened or were noticed. Smitty has been given some options to consider.

(Victors question):
- "Will I be considered a vendor?": The new ads are not based on vendor or not. Each poster could post in each area, but has to follow the rules of that specific area.

Dean
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I did not ask anyone for any options. Nor did I request any exceptions or any change or modification in the wording of the rule. Nor have I taken issue with any of the other rule changes.

Early on I asked Jeff if I was reading the rule correctly...he said I was and that he was open to considering any suggestions I might have to change the wording of rule that would allow my sales to continue and still provide the protection he wanted for the members.

My first response was that I had none. I later did make a suggestion which has not been responded to yet and that's ok, it was just offered as something for management to consider.

Now for everyones information -

Dayacom High End Kits currently not offered by any other US Seller that I am aware of AND offered at retail by Dayacom are the only part of my business that I can't comply with the new rule on.

If anyone thinks that is a big profit cow waiting to be milked I will happily step aside and cede that business to them.

From a bottom line prospective it makes little or no difference to me how the issue is decided; If the wording is left as is my high end kit buyers will just need to find another source, if it can be changed to allow me to continue and still satisfy Jeff's legitimate concerns they won't. It is not a big issue to my business either way and it is not a personal issut to me at all.
 
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Jeff,
I want to say thank you for establishing this website. I was fortunate enough to be able to sell some of my tools on your website. I am ashamed to say that I did not donate to your site. I will do so. My feelings are that a fee to advertise is certainly justified considering all the time and expenses you incur. I have learned so much from this site that if you ever offer a paid membership as an option, I would jump at the opportunity.

Dennis
 
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Haynie said:
I am a would be buyer. It would be extremely beneficial and much appreciated if the sellers were allowed to edit pictures to show which blanks are sold. I personally have not bought blanks from here due to the fact that it is too much work for me, the buyer, to filter through the pages to see what is left. I am not a quantity buyer, nor is this a business for me. As a hobbyist it is not worth it to create a spread sheet to figure out what is still available. In the new system, the way I read it, the seller is not allowed to edit or alter their pictures and therefore there is nothing stream lined about this process.

Then again maybe I read it wrong.

Just my 2 cents.
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Buyers can edit their original post to add words under each photo listing the available blanks. I see that all the time. Like this.

The idea behind not editing photos is to preserve a record of what was being sold. I suppose we could allow the editing of photos to add an "X" over blanks which are sold. Would that help you?
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Haven't read all the way through all pages, BUT, I think you are right on target here Jeff. I generally find it MUCH easier to look through posts that use the X system than trying to read under each photo blanks 1,3,5 sold etc. I would highly appreciate this option as both a buyer and a seller.

Linda
 
I will second the motion to allow the X on photos to let us know the items are no longer available. Since I don't sell on IAP I have no dog in that hunt. But I do buy and buy and buy... so anything that makes it easier to spend all my hard earned money is appreciated!:smile:
 
qalien said:
"Where does it go?" and other such questions are absolutely valid....if I decide to donate money, I would like to know that what I donate is actually going to go towards what am being told it is for rather than going into someone's pocket. And just to clarify, I am in no way shape or form accusing anyone of taking the money that is donated and keeping it.

This is a change in the way we do business on this forum. I'm trying to form my opinion on it and I know there are many people wondering the same thing, even if they haven't voiced it yet.
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You don't donate based upon what you hope to get. you donate to support what you already have.
 
Jeff has many very reliable vendors here with a long history of quality service. Perhaps offering well respected and established vendors something on the order of "Certified Vendor" would allow sellers doing us the service such as Smitty the ability of make those special offers available to us.
Now as to Jeff and the Moderators, these fine individuals are freely giving of their time and even money to us, the membership public, the use of this site that offers us the opportunity to give and receive vast volumes of information. I have offered some small amount from time to time, but have received mountains of training from others that made the mistake themselves and were willing to share the correct way. If I had been forced to learn all the free info myself, I can almost guarantee that my lathe would be in the junk pile by now. As it is, I have contributed to the pens for troops and will be doing that once more this year, God willing.
Yes, if Jeff asked for a membership fee, I would pay it this morning gladly. I do not care if he makes enough from this site to retire to Hawaii and take Curtis with him first class. Just please keep this site online and running. I am a member of a few other sites on woodworking, but there is nothing else on the web quiet like here.
To Jeff and all the mods, thank you. Yes there have been a few of my post lost to my idiocy.
Oh, I do have one question. I do respond to questions about what tool, kit, ect. from time to time. Is that considered an advertisement under the new rules? I have read this entire thread and the new rules. Just wondering.
Charles
 
Having read the rules they seem to mainly make sense.

For me personally, I would just prefer to see a paid for membership. Would instantly get rid of all the problem of people having to pay a classified fee and mean only people how where interested in the site as a whole would be selling or buying.

The only other rule I'm confused by is not being able to say that you made the blank your displaying. As I like to go off sdeaeching for new kits/blanks that I've seen on IAP. I have seen this abused though, and know where the mods are coming from. A blanket No, just seems I won't be able to find new products as easily!!

Any chance of a paid for membership? Or is that totally off the cards?

Phil
 
Curtis, since the other thread is locked I am making this comment here.
I think you owe Smitty an apology.
First it is not unexpected that vendors will choose to no longer offer goods or services given the rule changes. How that will look is yet to be seen. Smitty's thread was actually a respectable way to go about shutting down a program. But you chose to see it as an attempt to foster group sympathy. I only see him informing people that a service will be getting cancelled. Otherwise you are reading between the lines to find basis for your claims.
You then presume to formulate answers, that must be unquestionably adequate. When in fact you have no qualifications to pretend you have answers. There is no way you could reasonably think you know the details of Smittys business well enough to know if an answer is an answer or not. Even so he explains why your ideas are not adequate and you are arrogant enough to accuse him of refusing perfectly good answers. Not like it is possible that your unqualified solutions are nothing more than crap now is it?
You then pretty much accuse Smitty of being an antagonist when the only person I see being antagonistic is you. There was no reason for you to be involved in that conversation other than to fill it with your assumed accusations.
 
I have a problem with the buyers not being able to comment on the item they purchased. Word of mouth is very important to selling something, if people can't comment then how are others going to know if the product is any good or not?

I know we have the "Vendor Cheers and Jeers" forum but give me a break, nobodys gonna read that! The comments on the product need to be in the sellers ad where prospective buyers can see them first hand and make a decision on whether to buy or not. And besides, you can only run an ad for two weeks so I don't think "bumping" is even going to be an issue.
 
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i strongly agree the "X" over sold blanks sounds very understandable. therefore no confusion over, "is that the blank that was there yesterday" type questions, just here is the picture of blanks, the ones not X'd are still for sell.
 
Don't go ther

Daniel said:
Curtis, since the other thread is locked I am making this comment here.
I think you owe Smitty an apology.
First it is not unexpected that vendors will choose to no longer offer goods or services given the rule changes. How that will look is yet to be seen. Smitty's thread was actually a respectable way to go about shutting down a program. But you chose to see it as an attempt to foster group sympathy. I only see him informing people that a service will be getting cancelled. Otherwise you are reading between the lines to find basis for your claims.
You then presume to formulate answers, that must be unquestionably adequate. When in fact you have no qualifications to pretend you have answers. There is no way you could reasonably think you know the details of Smittys business well enough to know if an answer is an answer or not. Even so he explains why your ideas are not adequate and you are arrogant enough to accuse him of refusing perfectly good answers. Not like it is possible that your unqualified solutions are nothing more than crap now is it?
You then pretty much accuse Smitty of being an antagonist when the only person I see being antagonistic is you. There was no reason for you to be involved in that conversation other than to fill it with your assumed accusations.
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Curtis was just doing his job in his own way....I don't have any issue with that.

I requested at the other thread be closed because I did not intend for or expect a big controversy to develop. It really isn't that important to me.
 
I see it as more work for the moderators, what is wrong with the way it is now? a lot of us here are on limited incomes and some of the sellers have helped us a bunch to be able to continue our work for the charities that we are involved in.
 
OLDMAN5050 said:
I see it as more work for the moderators, what is wrong with the way it is now? a lot of us here are on limited incomes and some of the sellers have helped us a bunch to be able to continue our work for the charities that we are involved in.
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I can tell you without question that we did not make any change just for the fun of it. Each rule or policy was carefully considered and is there for a specific reason. The rules either reduce clutter and bumping, make the mods job easier, allow for more fair use of the resource, or improve the experience for buyers.

All that said, obviously we're asking for feedback and are willing to adjust. If you will give me specifics instead of just saying that it's more work for the mods and that the sellers can't help you out and longer, maybe we can improve how things work for you.
 
cwolfs69 said:
i strongly agree the "X" over sold blanks sounds very understandable. therefore no confusion over, "is that the blank that was there yesterday" type questions, just here is the picture of blanks, the ones not X'd are still for sell.
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No more votes needed. I'll make that change. It's perfectly reasonable.
 
philbaldwin said:
Having read the rules they seem to mainly make sense.

For me personally, I would just prefer to see a paid for membership. Would instantly get rid of all the problem of people having to pay a classified fee and mean only people how where interested in the site as a whole would be selling or buying.

The only other rule I'm confused by is not being able to say that you made the blank your displaying. As I like to go off sdeaeching for new kits/blanks that I've seen on IAP. I have seen this abused though, and know where the mods are coming from. A blanket No, just seems I won't be able to find new products as easily!!

Any chance of a paid for membership? Or is that totally off the cards?

Phil
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Being gone all day yesterday has surely left me with alot of reading to catch up on! I'm reading through the rules now so I can be familiar with them.

Phil, I think what Jeff and the Mods want to see is that if a post is made asking "where can I find Kit X or Blank Y?" is that the responses be handled via PM. That way it doesn't provide any additional advertisement to one place over another bc many venders carry the same items. As for saying who made the blank. If you made it yourself I don't see why you can't as long as it's not followed by "which you can purchase here at www.xyz.com".

That leads me to a question I have on a similar subject. Will it be considered advertising if we make a pen using a specialty blank made by someone and saying who the maker of the blank was to give credit where credit is due? Example being the current cast away box that I am running. Each caster is labeling the blanks that they made so if/when they are turned and posted we can give proper credit to the caster. Some of the blanks that are in there are blanks that have been sold in the classifieds so I don't know where the line on advertising has been drawn. Personally I think it should be allowed as long as information on where to purchase said blank is NOT provided.

I do want to say a thank you to Jeff for sharing the IAP with us. I'd be lost and doing something else had I not gotten involved. This is your house and your rules. I'll do my best to follow them!
 
Wow well said.

Daniel said:
Curtis, since the other thread is locked I am making this comment here.
I think you owe Smitty an apology.
First it is not unexpected that vendors will choose to no longer offer goods or services given the rule changes. How that will look is yet to be seen. Smitty's thread was actually a respectable way to go about shutting down a program. But you chose to see it as an attempt to foster group sympathy. I only see him informing people that a service will be getting cancelled. Otherwise you are reading between the lines to find basis for your claims.
You then presume to formulate answers, that must be unquestionably adequate. When in fact you have no qualifications to pretend you have answers. There is no way you could reasonably think you know the details of Smittys business well enough to know if an answer is an answer or not. Even so he explains why your ideas are not adequate and you are arrogant enough to accuse him of refusing perfectly good answers. Not like it is possible that your unqualified solutions are nothing more than crap now is it?
You then pretty much accuse Smitty of being an antagonist when the only person I see being antagonistic is you. There was no reason for you to be involved in that conversation other than to fill it with your assumed accusations.
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I thought the very same thing when I read the other post that has been shut down.Just not smart enough to type it so well(a carpenter not real smart,lol).I felt Smitty had only informed people and that was all.Lots of cooks in the kitchen what 10,000 members.

One thing that is being said is that this is Jeffs living room,I understand this is his site he runs it but the people are what make it a resource.Its a community thing I think,that sometimes feels lost when we have debates like this.I always say that these posts are great they get people talking,and change requires many to speak about ideas.

How many mebers on the site?10,000 plus well at even $2 a head that is $20,000,i realize mant would not pay a fee but these are the people that have not donated to the IAP and maybe should have.Or a mebership is for access to the classified ads only??Well thanks all for reading my two cents I do appreciate that very much(to be heard).Victor
 
I would be dead set against a paid membership. The thing that makes this site so strong is the freedom to join and share. IF you started charging people to join we would lose so many new people that wouldn't join. Not knowing the value and knowledge that is here they would move on. Even for a buck. Better to have fund raising during the Birthday Bash and paid classified ads. There could even be a shameless fund raising event in mid summer. I appreciate the fact that Jeff shoulders the financial burden of this site above and beyond the revenues it does raise. But if that burden is building and needs to be carried by the membership or more of it, then its time to step up and do so. I do not believe that membership dues to join are necessary. I belong to other forums where there are levels designated by the amount you donate that are noted in your avatar space. IE Silver, Gold, Platinum, member Etc. This allows members to donate the level that they are comfortable at and acknowledges their contribution. The levels do not have to be large donations to be effective.
 
mredburn said:
I would be dead set against a paid membership. The thing that makes this site so strong is the freedom to join and share. IF you started charging people to join we would lose so many new people that wouldn't join. Not knowing the value and knowledge that is here they would move on. Even for a buck. Better to have fund raising during the Birthday Bash and paid classified ads. There could even be a shameless fund raising event in mid summer. I appreciate the fact that Jeff shoulders the financial burden of this site above and beyond the revenues it does raise. But if that burden is building and needs to be carried by the membership or more of it, then its time to step up and do so. I do not believe that membership dues to join are necessary. I belong to other forums where there are levels designated by the amount you donate that are noted in your avatar space. IE Silver, Gold, Platinum, member Etc. This allows members to donate the level that they are comfortable at and acknowledges their contribution. The levels do not have to be large donations to be effective.
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One forum I was a member of had an automatic "Sugar Daddy" custom title when a donation was made.

Subscriptions only work for me if there are tangible benefits to becoming a subscriber above and beyond what's already here. If we did banner ads, a subscriber could be set to not see them. Additional features or quantities of classified ads. Etc etc etc.
 
rherrell said:
I have a problem with the buyers not being able to comment on the item they purchased. Word of mouth is very important to selling something, if people can't comment then how are others going to know if the product is any good or not?

I know we have the "Vendor Cheers and Jeers" forum but give me a break, nobodys gonna read that! The comments on the product need to be in the sellers ad where prospective buyers can see them first hand and make a decision on whether to buy or not. And besides, you can only run an ad for two weeks so I don't think "bumping" is even going to be an issue.
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Would you be ok with negative comments directly in your for sale thread? How about if you can't respond? One of the major complaints about the classifieds has been too much conversation cluttering what's for sale. It seemed unfair to allow no response to negative comments, so we decided on the C&J forum.

Something I have been tossing around (I have not yet discussed with the mods or mgrs...) is to make sub forums available in Cheers & Jeers for any vendor who wants one. That way people could Point to their own sub forum for reviews.
 
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rherrell said:
I have a problem with the buyers not being able to comment on the item they purchased. Word of mouth is very important to selling something, if people can't comment then how are others going to know if the product is any good or not?

I know we have the "Vendor Cheers and Jeers" forum but give me a break, nobodys gonna read that! The comments on the product need to be in the sellers ad where prospective buyers can see them first hand and make a decision on whether to buy or not. And besides, you can only run an ad for two weeks so I don't think "bumping" is even going to be an issue.
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Would you be ok with negative comments directly in your for sale thread? How about if you can't respond? One of the major complaints about the classifieds has been too much conversation cluttering what's for sale. It seemed unfair to allow no response to negative comments, so we decided on the C&J forum.

Something I have been tossing around (I have not yet discussed with the mods or mgrs...) is to make sub forums available in Cheers & Jeers for any vendor who wants one. That way people could Point to their own sub forum for reviews.
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I like that idea, but I can see the subforum list growing like mad. Perhaps stickied threads instead? Then if a vendor stops doing business, the thread can be simply unstickied but the posts would still be searchable. (If you delete a sub-forum, would you lose that entire table of posts?)
 
Ok,
I read most of the postings. I am saddened at this new turn. I don't make much on a $20.00 box of corian. After gas, strapping tape, paypal cost I maybe make $15.00 if that. that does not count my time. Then if I had to pay $5.00 on top of that.
I usually donate $50.00 a year to IAP. I do not run a buisness. The sell of corian only funds my pen habit which could eventually dry up.
I do not oppose some sort of fee for a classified posting but $5.00 a post will pretty much make it not worth my time.
For some who make a lot of $$$$ what you are asking is not much, but for the average person just unloading what they don't need trying to give someone a bargain is going to be a thing of the past.
So if I increase my asking price by $5.00 and don't sell anything?
Even e-bay has a seperate charge for what is only sold.
I guess a percentage of the asking price would be too hard to figure?
I think I would rather pay a membership fee for belonging to the club than go to this.
Wouldn't that generate more $$$$?
At least one would know what is expected and feel that maybe IAP is at least a little theirs. Which I know it is not.:( I am NOT saying any of this in a snarky way. I am just expressing my ever so little opinion.
Alice

Jeff, I know this is completely your decision and I do respect that, but is there any way you would consider a vote on a possible membership fee? I think this club has a high enough status to charge for it's services. Look at all the pen companies that have taken members ideas as their own and made money. Included in the fee could be the right to sell items? This is what a lot of clubs do.
Alice
 
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For what ever it's worth:

I joined the forum about a year ago absolutely ignorant of anything lathe related. By asking questions and reading through previous post, I became informed enough to buy the essentials and get started making pens.

I was amazed with the fact that I could be out in the shop, run into a problem, come inside and post my problem and within minutes have a solution to my problem.

Health problems kept me away for a while and I have forgotten a lot of what I had learned. I am going to need to for help again just getting back to the low level that I was, but I know the help is here. For this I would be happy to pay a member ship fee, regardless of the classified change.

I hope that whatever transpires with the classifieds, I will be able to get in on some of the great deals I have seen in the past offered by some of the vendors here. Sure beats the big box retailers.
 
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Ok,
I read most of the postings. I am saddened at this new turn. I don't make much on a $20.00 box of corian. After gas, strapping tape, paypal cost I maybe make $15.00 if that. that does not count my time. Then if I had to pay $5.00 on top of that.
I usually donate $50.00 a year to IAP. I do not run a buisness. The sell of corian only funds my pen habit which could eventually dry up.
I do not oppose some sort of fee for a classified posting but $5.00 a post will pretty much make it not worth my time.
For some who make a lot of $$$$ what you are asking is not much, but for the average person just unloading what they don't need trying to give someone a bargain is going to be a thing of the past.
So if I increase my asking price by $5.00 and don't sell anything?
Even e-bay has a seperate charge for what is only sold.
I guess a percentage of the asking price would be too hard to figure?
I think I would rather pay a membership fee for belonging to the club than go to this.
Wouldn't that generate more $$$$?
At least one would know what is expected and feel that maybe IAP is at least a little theirs. Which I know it is not.:( I am not saying any of this in a snarky way. I am just expressing my ever so little opinion.
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Alice,

You do NOT HAVE to pay anything. You are given the option to post your ad in the PREMIUM classifieds, for a fee, but you have the option of posting your ad in the regular classifieds, FOR FREE!!YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING. No one is forcing you to do anything. You only have to pay if you want to able to bump your threads, and have customers post in your threads, which bump them to the top of the page. Again you DONT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING!! Please realize that you can still sell here for FREE.
 
jeff said:
rherrell said:
I have a problem with the buyers not being able to comment on the item they purchased. Word of mouth is very important to selling something, if people can't comment then how are others going to know if the product is any good or not?

I know we have the "Vendor Cheers and Jeers" forum but give me a break, nobodys gonna read that! The comments on the product need to be in the sellers ad where prospective buyers can see them first hand and make a decision on whether to buy or not. And besides, you can only run an ad for two weeks so I don't think "bumping" is even going to be an issue.
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Would you be ok with negative comments directly in your for sale thread? How about if you can't respond? One of the major complaints about the classifieds has been too much conversation cluttering what's for sale. It seemed unfair to allow no response to negative comments, so we decided on the C&J forum.

Something I have been tossing around (I have not yet discussed with the mods or mgrs...) is to make sub forums available in Cheers & Jeers for any vendor who wants one. That way people could Point to their own sub forum for reviews.
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I would be PERFECTLY HAPPY with negative remarks!!!! I have a good, no GREAT product and I want everybody to know it! If a person is selling s#%t then he DESERVES negative comments.
I'm not getting rich on what I sell, I do it mostly as a way to stay busy and I also offer a LOW COST alternative for those on a budget. Having to pay every two weeks for an ad will either force me to quit advertising full time or raise my prices... and I'm NOT going to raise my prices.
 
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Alice,

You do NOT HAVE to pay anything. You are given the option to post your ad in the PREMIUM classifieds, for a fee, but you have the option of posting your ad in the regular classifieds, FOR FREE!!YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING. No one is forcing you to do anything. You only have to pay if you want to able to bump your threads, and have customers post in your threads, which bump them to the top of the page. Again you DONT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING!! Please realize that you can still sell here for FREE.
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That's not how I read it... Alice would be considered a vendor, and need to pay either $5 or $10 for her ad.
 
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Timebandit said:
Alice,

You do NOT HAVE to pay anything. You are given the option to post your ad in the PREMIUM classifieds, for a fee, but you have the option of posting your ad in the regular classifieds, FOR FREE!!YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING. No one is forcing you to do anything. You only have to pay if you want to able to bump your threads, and have customers post in your threads, which bump them to the top of the page. Again you DONT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING!! Please realize that you can still sell here for FREE.
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That's not how I read it... Alice would be considered a vendor, and need to pay either $5 or $10 for her ad.
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Im sorry, i didnt know she was a vendor.:redface: Never bought from here before. Why is she a vendor? Does she have a business that supplies Corian and she advertises her business here. I have only seen her post in the individual classifieds, not the business classifieds. I also dont see here advertising here business, like with a website in her sig line or anything. If i am wrong, please disregard what i said before,but i think she is fine.
 
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Before the edit options were removed it was very easy for us to list the items still available below each photo and remove them as they sold. If the ability to edit the original post is re-enabled I believe 2 follow up posts per day will be sufficient. If we can't edit the original post I foresee difficulties in keeping potential buyers current on item availability and creating a lot of back and forth PM's when people try to claim items already sold.

Also, if we list new items on our website can we list an ad in the classifieds to notify the IAP members?
 
I AM NOT a vendor. I do not have a corian buisness. I do not advertise any buisness here. Now I am totally confused.
Any sales I make are to fund my hobby, nothing more.
Although I have in the past ran adds where the profit went to Hurricane Katrina victims


Timebandit said:
DurocShark said:
Timebandit said:
Alice,

You do NOT HAVE to pay anything. You are given the option to post your ad in the PREMIUM classifieds, for a fee, but you have the option of posting your ad in the regular classifieds, FOR FREE!!YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING. No one is forcing you to do anything. You only have to pay if you want to able to bump your threads, and have customers post in your threads, which bump them to the top of the page. Again you DONT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING!! Please realize that you can still sell here for FREE.
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That's not how I read it... Alice would be considered a vendor, and need to pay either $5 or $10 for her ad.
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Im sorry, i didnt know she was a vendor.:redface: Never bought from here before. Why is she a vendor? Does she have a business that supplies Corian and she advertises her business here. I have only seen her post in the individual classifieds, not the business classifieds. I also dont see here advertising here business, like with a website in her sig line or anything. If i am wrong, please disregard what i said before,but i think she is fine.
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Alice, if you re-read the rules, there are going to be different sections where you could post your ad. One could be in the regular classifieds, and its FREE. The thing is, is that you cant post in your thread to bump it, nor can customers. They also cant claim an item in your thread with a post, they have to PM you for the item. So your ad sits there until someone buys your item. Second you could post in the premium classifieds, and you can bump your thread, others can as well, and can make claiming post for your items, which bumps the thread. The thing with bumping the threads, is that it moves it to the top of the new threads list, therefore possibly producing more advertising for you and therefore possibly producing more business. Therefore the fee you have to pay for your advertising and business. The fee is aimed towards the people making a large amount of money and posting a lot of for sale items and threads and not you only making $15 with a new thread every few weeks or so. If i am explaining this wrong, someone please correct me.

elody21 said:
I AM NOT a vendor. I do not have a corian buisness. I do not advertise any buisness here. Now I am totally confused.



Timebandit said:
DurocShark said:
Timebandit said:
Alice,

You do NOT HAVE to pay anything. You are given the option to post your ad in the PREMIUM classifieds, for a fee, but you have the option of posting your ad in the regular classifieds, FOR FREE!!YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING. No one is forcing you to do anything. You only have to pay if you want to able to bump your threads, and have customers post in your threads, which bump them to the top of the page. Again you DONT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING!! Please realize that you can still sell here for FREE.
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That's not how I read it... Alice would be considered a vendor, and need to pay either $5 or $10 for her ad.
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Im sorry, i didnt know she was a vendor.:redface: Never bought from here before. Why is she a vendor? Does she have a business that supplies Corian and she advertises her business here. I have only seen her post in the individual classifieds, not the business classifieds. I also dont see here advertising here business, like with a website in her sig line or anything. If i am wrong, please disregard what i said before,but i think she is fine.
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Timebandit said:
DurocShark said:
Timebandit said:
Alice,

You do NOT HAVE to pay anything. You are given the option to post your ad in the PREMIUM classifieds, for a fee, but you have the option of posting your ad in the regular classifieds, FOR FREE!!YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING. No one is forcing you to do anything. You only have to pay if you want to able to bump your threads, and have customers post in your threads, which bump them to the top of the page. Again you DONT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING!! Please realize that you can still sell here for FREE.
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That's not how I read it... Alice would be considered a vendor, and need to pay either $5 or $10 for her ad.
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Im sorry, i didnt know she was a vendor.:redface: Never bought from here before. Why is she a vendor? Does she have a business that supplies Corian and she advertises her business here. I have only seen her post in the individual classifieds, not the business classifieds. I also dont see here advertising here business, like with a website in her sig line or anything. If i am wrong, please disregard what i said before,but i think she is fine.
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Regular classifieds are $5... which is basically a single post with no replies allowed. Premium classifieds are $10, which allow responses.

The free classifieds are for hobbyists with one or two extra blanks that they don't need and want to get rid of, where profit is not the primary motivator.

The person who casts/cuts small quantities of blanks for fun, but still wants to make a small profit on them (just like turning pens for fun, but still expecting to sell them for a small profit) seems to be the person most hurt by these rule changes.

The goal seems to be to get the businesses which make large profits on the back of IAP to contribute, but there are obviously issues with the implementation.
 
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