Bone (Antler)

[Jim15]

Hello Everyone,
If possible could someone try and identify these two bones (antler) that were going to be used for knife handles but were given to me. The person didn't know what they were. Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,

 

[samuel07]

They look like antlers not bone.
I think the second one was Rudolph[][]

 

[DCBluesman]

They aren't bone, they are antler!

 

[boadywoods]

Actually antler is bone. The first one looks like whitetail. The second one looks like elk or red deer.

 

[Jim15]

Thanks Wayne, Lou and Broady.

 

[Rifleman1776]

They are antler but identification visually without seeing the whole thing might not be possible. Doesn't matter. Turn 'em and lets see the pens. []

 

[Jim15]

Will do Frank, thanks.

 

[ctEaglesc]

Originally posted by boadywoods
<br />Actually antler is bone. The first one looks like whitetail. The second one looks like elk or red deer.

I am not a bone specialist nor do I play one on TV.
I am not sure antler is bone.
I make pens that use the skull portion of the antler.There is normally a dark ring where the antler penetrates the skull.
The portion below this (the "head side") turns more differently and is much more dense that the section that normally sheds each year.
As far as the second antler is concerned if you say a prayer before drilling it, you could get a real striking piece of bark from that one.
BTW I am guessing white tail but it is hard to tell.
Have fun with them.I LOVE turning antler!

 

[tnilmerl]

It;s antler alright. Not familar with the second (darker) one. The first looks like whitetail. Would help if I could cross-section. Whitetail would generally be solid all the way thru. Depends on where in the rack the piece was cut from. Denser near tips, more porous near the base. Axis has a hollow vein running down the core.

Be sure to wear a mask when turning. It is nasty stuff to turn, but makes a great pen.

 

[kent4Him]

I agree that the first looks like White Tail to me. That is what I see the most of.

 

[Turnitall]

The second looks like Sambar Stag which is commonly used for knife handles... the Sambar stag comes from India, but they are commercially raised in some places in the US

 

[boadywoods]

Originally posted by ctEaglesc
<br />

Originally posted by boadywoods
<br />Actually antler is bone. The first one looks like whitetail. The second one looks like elk or red deer.

I am not a bone specialist nor do I play one on TV.
I am not sure antler is bone.
I make pens that use the skull portion of the antler.There is normally a dark ring where the antler penetrates the skull.
The portion below this (the "head side") turns more differently and is much more dense that the section that normally sheds each year.
As far as the second antler is concerned if you say a prayer before drilling it, you could get a real striking piece of bark from that one.
BTW I am guessing white tail but it is hard to tell.
Have fun with them.I LOVE turning antler!

I am not a bone specialist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! So if you dont know, always look it up. The interent has a great search function!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antler

 

[ctEaglesc]

Originally posted by boadywoods
<br />

Originally posted by ctEaglesc
<br />

Originally posted by boadywoods
<br />Actually antler is bone. The first one looks like whitetail. The second one looks like elk or red deer.

I am not a bone specialist nor do I play one on TV.
I am not sure antler is bone.
I make pens that use the skull portion of the antler.There is normally a dark ring where the antler penetrates the skull.
The portion below this (the "head side") turns more differently and is much more dense that the section that normally sheds each year.
As far as the second antler is concerned if you say a prayer before drilling it, you could get a real striking piece of bark from that one.
BTW I am guessing white tail but it is hard to tell.
Have fun with them.I LOVE turning antler!

I am not a bone specialist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! So if you dont know, always look it up. The interent has a great search function!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antler

I replied to your private message but t=figured I would post this here.
"Turn a piece as I described.Bone or no bone skull turns differently than the antler.Skull is bone.Antler falls off and regrows.
As far as believing what I read, if that were the case Dewey would have been
president instead of Truman" (and the patent office would srill be closed)
"

 

[Rifleman1776]

Originally posted by Turnitall
<br />The second looks like Sambar Stag which is commonly used for knife handles... the Sambar stag comes from India, but they are commercially raised in some places in the US

The idea of Sambar stag crossed my mind also. Or Red stag from Scotland. Or, just a color variation from whitetail or elk is also possible. Exact identification might require DNA analysis. But, it is not important whatever it is. How it turns and final results are what is important.

 

[boadywoods]

Originally posted by ctEaglesc
<br />

Originally posted by boadywoods
<br />

Originally posted by ctEaglesc
<br />

Originally posted by boadywoods
<br />Actually antler is bone. The first one looks like whitetail. The second one looks like elk or red deer.

I am not a bone specialist nor do I play one on TV.
I am not sure antler is bone.
I make pens that use the skull portion of the antler.There is normally a dark ring where the antler penetrates the skull.
The portion below this (the "head side") turns more differently and is much more dense that the section that normally sheds each year.
As far as the second antler is concerned if you say a prayer before drilling it, you could get a real striking piece of bark from that one.
BTW I am guessing white tail but it is hard to tell.
Have fun with them.I LOVE turning antler!

I am not a bone specialist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! So if you dont know, always look it up. The interent has a great search function!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antler

I replied to your private message but t=figured I would post this here.
"Turn a piece as I described.Bone or no bone skull turns differently than the antler.Skull is bone.Antler falls off and regrows.
As far as believing what I read, if that were the case Dewey would have been
president instead of Truman" (and the patent office would srill be closed)
"

I have never turned skull so I would not know. I was just pointing out that the official definition is that antler is bone.

 

[gerryr]

Let's get our terms straight here. Wikipedia uses the term "bony", not bone. Bony means bone-like. Antler is not, in a strict biological sense, bone. I have turned both bone and antler and can tell you that are dramatically different in how they turn.

 

[boadywoods]

Originally posted by gerryr
<br />Let's get our terms straight here. Wikipedia uses the term "bony", not bone. Bony means bone-like. Antler is not, in a strict biological sense, bone. I have turned both bone and antler and can tell you that are dramatically different in how they turn.

Antlers are the large and complex horn-like appendages of deer, consisting of bony outgrowths from the head with no covering of keratin as is found in true horns. Each antler grows from an attachment point on the skull called a pedicle. While an antler is growing it is covered with highly vascular skin called velvet, which supplies oxygen and nutrients to the growing bone; once the antler has achieved its proper size, the velvet is lost and the antler's bone dies. This dead bone structure is the mature antler. Antlers are shed after mating season and regrown each year.

Its says bone three different times. 3 to 1, I win!!!!

 

[boadywoods]

http://www.harding.edu/USER/plummer/WWW/animphys/studentwebsites/tnlee/Mineral.htm

http://www.britishcouncil.org/science-cubed-story-2.htm

http://www.wapiti.net/news/default2.cfm?articleID=28

 

[ctEaglesc]

OK you're right,I hope that amkes you feel better. Now how about turning a pen and showing us some of your work.
Maybe turn us a pen out of a leg bone from a deer so there will be no question as to is a bone or and antler.
Why don't they call it an antler Bone?
How many animals lose a bone and have it grow back?

 

[gerryr]

My vet says antler isn't bone, first difference being that bone marrow makes white blood cells and antler marrow does not. The second difference is that antler is significantly stronger than bone. Bone has largely no resistance to crushing, and antler does.

 

[boadywoods]

I just came here to get a little bit of information. I dont have a digital camera, but as soon as I get one, I will post some pics. I didnt know it was a requirement to be a member here. Are you an essential part of this forum or just the resident ..........

Also, I dont know much about what animals can regenrate. I aint no educated person![B)]

 

[wdcav1952]

You guys are being BONEheads to argue about this. []

 

[boadywoods]

LOL, actually that is one of my nicknames.

 

[Jim15]

Thanks for all the answers, quite interesting. Thanks everyone.

 

[ctEaglesc]

Originally posted by boadywoods
<br />I just came here to get a little bit of information. I dont have a digital camera, but as soon as I get one, I will post some pics. I didnt know it was a requirement to be a member here. Are you an essential part of this forum or just the resident ..........

Also, I dont know much about what animals can regenrate. I aint no educated person![B)]

A camera isn't a prerequisite. I use it to determine if someone knows what they are talking a bout along with other information I can gather.

 

[boadywoods]

Originally posted by ctEaglesc
<br />

Originally posted by boadywoods
<br />I just came here to get a little bit of information. I dont have a digital camera, but as soon as I get one, I will post some pics. I didnt know it was a requirement to be a member here. Are you an essential part of this forum or just the resident ..........

Also, I dont know much about what animals can regenrate. I aint no educated person![B)]

A camera isn't a prerequisite. I use it to determine if someone knows what they are talking a bout along with other information I can gather.

So if I dont post a picture, I dont know what I am talking about. Interesting theory.

 

[Skye]

Originally posted by boadywoods
So if I dont post a picture, I dont know what I am talking about. Interesting theory.

Lol, how did you come to that conclusion?

He stated he uses pics to tell if someone knows (or more importantly doesnt know) what they're talking about. If someone claims to be a sanding master but their pics show residue under the finish or sanding lines, they probably dont know what they're talking about.

 

[ctEaglesc]

Or if someone posts all kinds of tech talk about taking pictures but have no album or posted a picture of a pen.
The album is a tool much like a picture in SOYP.
I don't look at post counts, but I do look at reg dates along with what the posts are about.
I have met a lot of members over the phone.On the screen they are just a name.When I see their work it helps me get a mental image of them.
NO pictures, a piece of the puzzle is missing.

 

[Rifleman1776]

Originally posted by gerryr
<br />My vet says antler isn't bone, first difference being that bone marrow makes white blood cells and antler marrow does not. The second difference is that antler is significantly stronger than bone. Bone has largely no resistance to crushing, and antler does.

I was considering doing that and/or calling the Game and Fish Commission. (might still to validate your report) I have worked a lot of both bone and antler and can see considerable differences in their make-up but am unable to state expertly they are not both 'bone'.

 

[TellicoTurning]

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[DCBluesman]

Originally posted by ozmandus
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Pretty? [8D]