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Timbo

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I've been getting a lot of emails similar to the one below over the last three weeks. What I can't figure, is how they execute their scam when paying using a US bank issued credit card. Anybody else getting these?
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"Hello,
I want to place an order in your Stores, And I will like to know if you ship to Manila, Philippines and my payment will be remitted via Visa/MasterCard issued in US bank.

So please let me know if you can assist me with the order, and please do not forget to include the link to your website in your reply. Your quick response will be highly appreciated, I will be very glad if you treat this email with good concern.

Best Regards

Lindsey Richard
"
 
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Its actually very simple.

They use this as an intro - then when payment "doesnt work" they will pay via western union or some other method. There are various routes from here forward but one of the common ones this end of the world are, "give me your credit card details so that I can pay directly into your account including CVV number etc etc"

They then have two options - either they can create a clone of your card or they use the info directly to purchase goods.

Im sure there are tons I havent heard of but best to avoid these guys like the bubonic plague!!
 
I dont know for sure. It is my guess that they are using a cloned card. By the time the real card holder figures out that he didnt make a purchase and reports it to the CC bank, the product is shipped and received. My bank has called me on a couple of bogus charges over the years. just a thought
 
carverken said:
I dont know for sure. It is my guess that they are using a cloned card. By the time the real card holder figures out that he didnt make a purchase and reports it to the CC bank, the product is shipped and received. My bank has called me on a couple of bogus charges over the years. just a thought
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Cloned cards generally dont require shipping - they walk in, pay and leave with the item.
 
My wife got something like that when she first started Avon, order 10 of these kits (200 each) and then I will pay... Her response was just order them on my site, surprise surprise we did not hear from the person that lived in Ohio again....
 
Timbo said:
I've been getting a lot of emails similar to the one below over the last three weeks. What I can't figure, is how they execute their scam when paying using a US bank issued credit card. Anybody else getting these?
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"Hello,
I want to place an order in your Stores, And I will like to know if you ship to Manila, Philippines and my payment will be remitted via Visa/MasterCard issued in US bank.

So please let me know if you can assist me with the order, and please do not forget to include the link to your website in your reply. Your quick response will be highly appreciated, I will be very glad if you treat this email with good concern.

Best Regards

Lindsey Richard
"
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Look at all those key elements of giving you clues as for being phoney.
 
Sorry I missed the start of this post...I was at the post office waiting for my package from the former wife of the Prime Minister of Uganda...she's trusts me so much, she is sending me a box of cash to hold for her! I had to front the customs fees with a personal check, but I'm sure it will be here ....tomorrow
 
Well well

Timbo said:
I've been getting a lot of emails similar to the one below over the last three weeks. What I can't figure, is how they execute their scam when paying using a US bank issued credit card. Anybody else getting these?
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"Hello,
I want to place an order in your Stores, And I will like to know if you ship to Manila, Philippines and my payment will be remitted via Visa/MasterCard issued in US bank.

So please let me know if you can assist me with the order, and please do not forget to include the link to your website in your reply. Your quick response will be highly appreciated, I will be very glad if you treat this email with good concern.

Best Regards

Lindsey Richard
"
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I sometimes get two or three of them at the same time....I tend to think they want any reply.....that means it got past your spam filter and you read it. Don't trust any email that does not know exactly what they want from your "store", how can they know they want to buy if they don't know what you sell. It has to be a scam and they don't all come from overseas, some originate right here.
 
I was thinking of enumerating all the indicators that this is a scam, but obviously you already know it's a scam and just wanted to know how it works.

The two most common courses it would go if you responded:

1) There's some issue with payment, and you end up paying "fees" to clear things up. Of course they'll add the fee amount to what they pay you, but for legal reasons the fee has to be paid by you, up front. No matter how much you pay, there are always more problems.

2) They overpay, and request the difference be refunded to them or forwarded to another party. Their payment "clears" on your end, you send the refund, then it turns out their payment was bad after all. This is often done with cashiers checks drawn on foreign banks - your bank releases the funds to you after a week, but it takes several weeks for the foreign bank to respond that it's not a valid payment, and your bank takes the money back from you.

If they actually get product from you for free, that's just icing on the cake - what they really want is money.
 
phillywood said:
Timbo said:
I've been getting a lot of emails similar to the one below over the last three weeks. What I can't figure, is how they execute their scam when paying using a US bank issued credit card. Anybody else getting these?
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"Hello,
I want to place an order in your Stores, And I will like to know if you ship to Manila, Philippines and my payment will be remitted via Visa/MasterCard issued in US bank.

So please let me know if you can assist me with the order, and please do not forget to include the link to your website in your reply. Your quick response will be highly appreciated, I will be very glad if you treat this email with good concern.

Best Regards

Lindsey Richard
"
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Look at all those key elements of giving you clues as for being phoney.
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LOL...yeah...I already know its a scam. I'm just curious how it would work.
 
GoodTurns said:
Sorry I missed the start of this post...I was at the post office waiting for my package from the former wife of the Prime Minister of Uganda...she's trusts me so much, she is sending me a box of cash to hold for her! I had to front the customs fees with a personal check, but I'm sure it will be here ....tomorrow
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Wow...that's great Jon! Now that you're going to be rich and will be moving to a bigger house, let me help you clean out your shop for the move. Send me all your pen blanks and kits. Why pack em when you can just buy new ones when you settle in your new home. Oh yeah...if you have carbide cutting tools I'll take those too.
 
azamiryou said:
I was thinking of enumerating all the indicators that this is a scam, but obviously you already know it's a scam and just wanted to know how it works.

The two most common courses it would go if you responded:

1) There's some issue with payment, and you end up paying "fees" to clear things up. Of course they'll add the fee amount to what they pay you, but for legal reasons the fee has to be paid by you, up front. No matter how much you pay, there are always more problems.

2) They overpay, and request the difference be refunded to them or forwarded to another party. Their payment "clears" on your end, you send the refund, then it turns out their payment was bad after all. This is often done with cashiers checks drawn on foreign banks - your bank releases the funds to you after a week, but it takes several weeks for the foreign bank to respond that it's not a valid payment, and your bank takes the money back from you.

If they actually get product from you for free, that's just icing on the cake - what they really want is money.
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It amazes me what people will go through to take hard earned cash from good folks.
 
I was digging through and throwing away old paper work and came across a couple of scams we got last summer. These came complete with credit card numbers. Out of fun we led them on for a few days to get as much information from them as we could. Then I tried to report the cards as stolen and being used as a scam.

Here is the scary part for the first one. no one cared. I called the issuing bank and a lady said "Oh well I am glad it is not mine". She was the supervisor of the small ma and pa bank in Wisconsin. Visa jumped my butt like I was the one who stole it. I never got ahold of anyone to talk to at the FBI. Just left a message.

The second one I was lucky enough to get a bored college kid at Chase and the two of us did our own investigating because his supervisor told him to file the number in case it came up again. We found the crook's drop box, with fake physical address and turned it over to the post office. They cared.

Don't think the folks at the bank care about you.
 
Timbo said:
phillywood said:
Timbo said:
I've been getting a lot of emails similar to the one below over the last three weeks. What I can't figure, is how they execute their scam when paying using a US bank issued credit card. Anybody else getting these?
================================================
"Hello,
I want to place an order in your Stores, And I will like to know if you ship to Manila, Philippines and my payment will be remitted via Visa/MasterCard issued in US bank.

So please let me know if you can assist me with the order, and please do not forget to include the link to your website in your reply. Your quick response will be highly appreciated, I will be very glad if you treat this email with good concern.

Best Regards

Lindsey Richard
"
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Look at all those key elements of giving you clues as for being phoney.
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LOL...yeah...I already know its a scam. I'm just curious how it would work.
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I get one of these periodically as well... since it's obviously a scam, I generally just delete it.... my website has pricing and purchase information on it... it they want to buy, then they should go through the shopping cart...
 
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