All members please read!!!

[alphageek]

Ok.... Let's all take a deep breath... If this continues as a back and forth battle, the mods will have to close this down.

 

[plantman]

:wink::wink: Gary: I am beginning to see what you are getting at!! I'll give this one up. I have the last 30 pens done for the Service Pens. Will get them in the mail this week end. lJIm S

 

[Craftdiggity]

When I first read this thread yesterday, I will admit that I thought about a one word post. What can I say, I am a smarta$$. :biggrin:

But what I did take away from this was that this is a forum, a forum is a social tool, so why not be more social.

Whether you agree or not the OP has an opinion and I give him credit for opening up and expressing it.

I actually almost agreed with you, but then I thought about the arrogance it takes to belittle the manner in which others interact in a social setting. So, now people don't get to just be themselves? They can't just like a piece for the sake of it? They have to explain in greater detail why they like it?

It is really no different online than in real life. Some people are more outgoing socially than others, while some are content to sit on the outskirts and just observe. When I show my pens off to friends and family, some of them tell me exactly what they like or dislike about them, while others just say, "Nice," or "Cool," or whatever. I never thought to tell them what lazy social jerks they were because they didn't take the time to compose a more detailed oratory about my pen. Why? Because I don't presume to dictate how another human being ought to respond to my work.

Funny I don't remember being arrogant or belittleing anyone on this site. And I don't know what your friends are like, but I don't recall calling anybody a social lazy jerk that I can remember. The reason your friends don't comment to much on your pens, is because they probably don't know what it takes to make one. I also did not dictate how you should respond!! Only suggested that some more experenced turners could point some of the newer people in the right direction. It's a new concept called progress. Thank you for your more than one word comment, but please keep your facts straight when you do so. Jim S

Have a nice day, Jim. I am not going to bother responding further if you genuinely can't see my original point. I think all that needs to be said regarding your ridiculous OP has been said and you have changed little or nothing except people's opinion of you.

 

[plantman]

Boy, was someone's panties in a bunch or what???

IMHO a post in all BOLD letters is the same as using all CAPS..........No body likes to be YELLED at!

Get'em unbunched, loosen the belt, kick your feet up and chill!!! You'll live longer & be happier!!!


Barney

:wink::wink: Barny: I used that type because it's easer for us old farts to read. I did not yell at anyboby, only made a suggestion. I thought it would help out some of our members. I'm as happy as a lark. It seems I have gotten people to at least express their opions in more than one word. Jim S

 

[plantman]

So when someone sees a pen that they like, you're asking them to think about why they like it, then find a way to put it into words. This could well change a 20-second task into a 5- to 10-minute task. That's a pretty big burden, especially on such an active forum.

Now, Plantman, I understand completely why you considered the thought based on observations that have begun to irk you - and why you took the time and effort to "spell it out". You have quite a valuable point - that should be considered especially when people newer to this site are posting their pens - and for those who make a point of saying "comments & criticisms welcome" (c&c welcome.)

But there are those on this site like me. I honestly do want to contribute and participate. But I have a brain problem (seriously) and when I have to take time to write out an explanation of all the what's, why's and such of a simple word like "nice", it is quite an ordeal!

When I read your initial post here, and your response to "ok" fired off quickly after, I realized this whole issue has really been eating at you. All these people with all this knowledge and experience and - like the one person who already said they haven't posted their work since the poor response . . . We should take the extra step and say more. And you have every right to feel that way. And we have an obligation, if we take the time to read all this thread, to keep these matters in the back of our minds and maybe be more aware of when taking the time to punch "Like" or say a word or go into detailed comment is most important.

However, you need to be aware of the fact that there are a bunch of people here who've been carrying on for many years and have come to see everyone here as familiar as friends - and that this does lead to more lighthearted interjections.

From the newest, "I've never turned a pen before" to those most of us look to as experts in one way or another, we all respond in different ways. And the most important thing I've culled from all these pages of interaction in response to you first post here, is that it really is not just helpful but important in some way to respond to those works others here post for critique. And you need to realize, we are all different in our abilities, capabilities and time to respond.

When I say "Nice" I mean I don't just want to check the "Like" box but I don't have the words or thought process to go into more detail.

And now that I've used more words here than I have all year, :bulgy-eyes:

Cathy: Very well stated!!! Thank you for your time and effort!!!! Jim S

 

[gimpy]

OKAY THEN !!

2 words

 

[seamus7227]

Nice post! Lol

Sent from my Epic using Forum Runner

 

[plantman]

When I first read this thread yesterday, I will admit that I thought about a one word post. What can I say, I am a smarta$$. :biggrin:

But what I did take away from this was that this is a forum, a forum is a social tool, so why not be more social.

Whether you agree or not the OP has an opinion and I give him credit for opening up and expressing it.

I actually almost agreed with you, but then I thought about the arrogance it takes to belittle the manner in which others interact in a social setting. So, now people don't get to just be themselves? They can't just like a piece for the sake of it? They have to explain in greater detail why they like it?

It is really no different online than in real life. Some people are more outgoing socially than others, while some are content to sit on the outskirts and just observe. When I show my pens off to friends and family, some of them tell me exactly what they like or dislike about them, while others just say, "Nice," or "Cool," or whatever. I never thought to tell them what lazy social jerks they were because they didn't take the time to compose a more detailed oratory about my pen. Why? Because I don't presume to dictate how another human being ought to respond to my work.

Funny I don't remember being arrogant or belittleing anyone on this site. And I don't know what your friends are like, but I don't recall calling anybody a social lazy jerk that I can remember. The reason your friends don't comment to much on your pens, is because they probably don't know what it takes to make one. I also did not dictate how you should respond!! Only suggested that some more experenced turners could point some of the newer people in the right direction. It's a new concept called progress. Thank you for your more than one word comment, but please keep your facts straight when you do so. Jim S

Have a nice day, Jim. I am not going to bother responding further if you genuinely can't see my original point. I think all that needs to be said regarding your ridiculous OP has been said and you have changed little or nothing except people's opinion of you.

High chris: I am having a great day, thank you. You have no point, you make up things I did not say or imlpy, and you think that helping out your fellow turners is "ridiculous". I am not running for a popularty contest or opinion poll, not trying to chang anything, only trying to help out others if I can. I guess that about sums it up. And a happy day to you also. Jim S

 

[Smitty37]

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I can't see where anyone would have a problem with that. Jim S

I don't think anyone would. I didn't. I did, however, have a problem with being told to forget my right to freedom of speech, follow your "rule" or leave comment, as well as the overall "feel" of the posts. I have the right to post as I please within the acceptable limits established by the people who run this site. You have the right to read them or not. You do NOT have the right to tell me, or anyone else, how they should post.

Which, of course, is a limit on your "freedom of speech". Isn't it?

 

[Smitty37]

:wink::wink: Gary: I am beginning to see what you are getting at!! I'll give this one up. I have the last 30 pens done for the Service Pens. Will get them in the mail this week end. lJIm S

Gary, you know I'm an admirerer of you - but if you're tired of it just don't read it. I've been getting a liot of smiles here on this one --- and I do need something to smile about right now.

 

[Craftdiggity]

When I first read this thread yesterday, I will admit that I thought about a one word post. What can I say, I am a smarta$$. :biggrin:

But what I did take away from this was that this is a forum, a forum is a social tool, so why not be more social.

Whether you agree or not the OP has an opinion and I give him credit for opening up and expressing it.

I actually almost agreed with you, but then I thought about the arrogance it takes to belittle the manner in which others interact in a social setting. So, now people don't get to just be themselves? They can't just like a piece for the sake of it? They have to explain in greater detail why they like it?

It is really no different online than in real life. Some people are more outgoing socially than others, while some are content to sit on the outskirts and just observe. When I show my pens off to friends and family, some of them tell me exactly what they like or dislike about them, while others just say, "Nice," or "Cool," or whatever. I never thought to tell them what lazy social jerks they were because they didn't take the time to compose a more detailed oratory about my pen. Why? Because I don't presume to dictate how another human being ought to respond to my work.

Funny I don't remember being arrogant or belittleing anyone on this site. And I don't know what your friends are like, but I don't recall calling anybody a social lazy jerk that I can remember. The reason your friends don't comment to much on your pens, is because they probably don't know what it takes to make one. I also did not dictate how you should respond!! Only suggested that some more experenced turners could point some of the newer people in the right direction. It's a new concept called progress. Thank you for your more than one word comment, but please keep your facts straight when you do so. Jim S

Have a nice day, Jim. I am not going to bother responding further if you genuinely can't see my original point. I think all that needs to be said regarding your ridiculous OP has been said and you have changed little or nothing except people's opinion of you.

High chris: I am having a great day, thank you. You have no point, you make up things I did not say or imlpy, and you think that helping out your fellow turners is "ridiculous". I am not running for a popularty contest or opinion poll, not trying to chang anything, only trying to help out others if I can. I guess that about sums it up. And a happy day to you also. Jim S

Huh? This reads like a man wandering aimlessly in the desert in search of a cogent thought.

I don't think that helping fellow turners is ridiculous, just your OP...and pretty much everything you've typed in this thread since. If you think your OP was not critical of some the members of this forum, you are delusional. You also are not helping anyone, only setting yourself up as the guy who gets to pass judgment on the way in which the rest of us interact. You are offensive to some. That much had been established even before I jumped into the conversation, but you obviously could care less about that, so I guess keep it up.

Peace & Blessins,

Chris

 

[1dweeb]

okay, nice thread.

 

[maxwell_smart007]

Ok, since nothing of import is being discussed beyond character analysis, and since we're not in an English class, I think this thread has about run its course.

Andrew
assistant moderator

 

[edstreet]

 

[Wood Butcher]

May I suggest Metamucil !

 

[tbroye]

Yuuuup! From Dave on Storage Wars.

 

[Woodlvr]

My answer is to not make any comments so I am not being dictated to. Then I guess that I will be ordered to make a comment next time. No Thanks. It may have run it's course so now are there going to be more rules about how we express ourselves to HIS satisfaction?

 

[MesquiteMan]

I guess some of you either can not read or are not aware that Alphageek and MaxwellSmart are assistant moderators here. Alphageek requested nicely that this stop and a couple of you did not seem to care about what he said. Contrary to the original poster, when a moderator requests something be done, that is the same as the owner of this establishment requesting it and needs to be complied with. Thank you

Curtis O Seebeck
IAP Head Moderator