Acrylic pen blank question.

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At what rpm's do you find that works best for acrylic blanks?

I use carbide tip turning tools but I can't seem to find just the right rpm's, to many rpm's and the blank seems like it wants to melt and then when I slow it down it doesn't cut very smooth.

Thanks!
 
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Sounds more like your carbide is dull than anything else. I run my acrylics in the neighborhood of 3000 RPM (for pen sized blanks) and take light cuts. There may be some way to improve your results by adjusting your tool presentation as well.
 
Are you talking about on a wood lathe? It makes a difference. If that is the case, I agree with Andrew (@BHuij). It is a delicate balance between Sharp Tools an light passes. Use raking angles to get lighter passes. Also, give negative rake tools a try.
 
Sounds more like your carbide is dull than anything else. I run my acrylics in the neighborhood of 3000 RPM (for pen sized blanks) and take light cuts. There may be some way to improve your results by adjusting your tool presentation as well.
I have a set of Easy Wood turning tools and the carbide tips are really sharp, I didn't turn the rpm's up that high, I figured if the blank seemed to soften and glare over at 2100 rpm's there was no use to go higher but maybe I am wrong.
 
Are you talking about on a wood lathe? It makes a difference. If that is the case, I agree with Andrew (@BHuij). It is a delicate balance between Sharp Tools an light passes. Use raking angles to get lighter passes. Also, give negative rake tools a try.
I'm using a variable speed wood lathe, I have a set of Easy Wood carbide turning tools and the carbide tips are really sharp, I do have a negative rake carbide tip turning tool, in fact that what I was using.
 
Do you have the tool rest at the optimum height? For best results with a negative rake scraper, the tool handle should be held level and the cutting edge should be on the centerline. You can check this any number of ways - e.g. with a square blank on the lathe, turn it so the fours sides are vertical/horizontal and see that the tool touches exactly half way up one side.
 
To join the Thread; carbide tools are scrapers. I sharpen my carbide bits with a credit card diamond hone. I do not rub the bevel. I present a flat top tool horizontal and just below center. This gives me endless streams of ribbons. Don't press in, just guide the tool sideways from the blank center to the end of the blank.

I agree with Ed; the term "acrylic" is like the term "wood". The material can range from soft and easily turned, to hard as nails, to chippy .
 
Do you have the tool rest at the optimum height? For best results with a negative rake scraper, the tool handle should be held level and the cutting edge should be on the centerline. You can check this any number of ways - e.g. with a square blank on the lathe, turn it so the fours sides are vertical/horizontal and see that the tool touches exactly half way up one side.
Yes, that's exactly how I set it up.
 
Do you have the tool rest at the optimum height? For best results with a negative rake scraper, the tool handle should be held level and the cutting edge should be on the centerline. You can check this any number of ways - e.g. with a square blank on the lathe, turn it so the fours sides are vertical/horizontal and see that the tool touches exactly half way up one side.

Depends on what you mean by acrylic.
Resins, epoxies, commercial PMMA (acrylic)??
Resins.
 
Aaaah ... it seems like every resin (a.k.a. plastic) behaves differently.

Some melt at a lower temperature than others, such as cellulose nitrate (true celluloid) and cellulose acetate (Cebloplast and some others), I've managed to melt them just using Tripoli compound on a buffing wheel. Oooops.

Some cut smooth as butter (PMMA "acrylic acetate", Japanese ebonite/hard rubber), some chip really easily ("inlace acrylester", bakelite).

I find there's a lot of trial and error involved when I start working on a material I haven't turned before.
 
I have turned several types of plastic pen blanks using carbide tools both regular and negative rake. For all of them I use the maximum speed my wood lathe will go, about 3500 RPM. I have never had a problem with heat/melting during turning but I have had heat problems when drilling without using a good drilling regimen.

Of the plastics I have turned, Alumilite urethane resin blanks seem to turn the easiest. I think they are likely the softest of most commercial plastic blanks. On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1= it almost turns like medium hard wood like maple and walnut and 10=problematic and most difficult, I rank Alumilite urethane blanks at 1 or 2. Because it is a softer material, I also apply a couple of coats of CA to finished blanks to help them retain their shine longer. I also favor Alumilite because it is one of the most readily available resins for casting one's own pen blanks.

Kirinite blanks are more of a true acrylic resin material made by Kirinite in Illinois. It is a thermoset acrylic resin that is made by adding thin strands of polyester coated paper to the resin in different directions to create swirling patterns and colors. It is durable and tough as well as being resistant to chipping, cracking, shrinking, and warping. Kirinite was originally introduced into the knife making industry as a handle material because it isn't slippery even when wet and it can be shaped using conventional woodworking tools. (Most Kirinite is semi-transparent so painting the inside of the drilled hole or the brass tubes is highly recommended). On my scale of 1 to 10 I would rate Kirinite at a 5 or 6 for less experienced turners and a 4 or 5 for skilled and experienced turners.

Rhino or RhinoPlastic blanks are made from a special blend of polyester resins. This material was specifically formulated for pen turning. It is on the hard and brittle side which seems to be typical for polyester blanks. Rhino blanks are a prime candidate for cutting the blank longer than needed, drilling to the depth of the pen tube, and then cutting away the excess to expose the hole. This significantly reduces the chance of blowout which seems to happen most often just as the drill bit breaks through and starts to exit the blank. Most of the Rhino blanks I have turned feel hard but usually have well defined and relatively sharp and chip-free edges (on the blank). On my 1 to 10 scale I rank Rhino as a 6 or 7 for an experienced turner and a 7 or 8 for a novice.

Like many pen turners, Inlace Acrylester, another polyester resin. (I think it is made by the same resin manufacturer that make the resin formula for Rhino blanks). It is made to support a higher volume of pigments and fillers which permits it to have rich, vibrant, and spectacular colors. Inlace Acrylester is Trademarked and owned by WoodTurningz. Raw Inlace Acrylester blanks are typically very hard and brittle and almost feel like glass. It can be a very "chippy" material and even the manufacturer recommends not drilling through the bottom of the blank, but leaving it long and cutting off the excess to expose the hole after drilling. They also recommend making light cuts using very sharp carbide tools preferably with Negative Rake Cutters. As they say in their documentation, "Aggressive cuts and Inlace don't mix" and dull tools can cause severe chipping. Due to the instructions provided by WoodTurningz, personal experience, and the reported experiences of many IAP members, I would rate Inlace Acrylester as an 8 to 9 for experienced turners and 9 to 10 for those with less experience - they do make gorgeous pens though!

There of course are a whole host of other trade named blanks and materials that fall between Alumilite and Inlace Acrylester, each with it's own type of resin and associated turning characteristics. These are just some opinions from my perspective and personal experience using a few of these plastic materials. - Dave
 
At what rpm's do you find that works best for acrylic blanks?

I use carbide tip turning tools but I can't seem to find just the right rpm's, to many rpm's and the blank seems like it wants to melt and then when I slow it down it doesn't cut very smooth.

Thanks!
Hi seldom run my machine above 2500 and I do keep my tools sharp light passes always. Your blanks should never melt. You must be pushing way too hard. That is a sure indication you gouge is blunt. Likewise when you drill take it easy do not let your blank drill hot. I drill put my drill into water and then drill lightly. I cool the drill a couple of times. Watch some You tube videos and see how easy the tools cut the acrylic. Don't hurry. There is no need for speed. Have a great day pen turning.
 
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