How long will it take for PSI to have a kit available. Get in line people.
How long will it take for PSI to have a kit available. Get in line people.
Maybe we should email them. :biggrin:
How long will it take for PSI to have a kit available. Get in line people.
Maybe we should email them. :biggrin:
No need to. They are here:biggrin: It will be read by tomorrow. (I did get your shot though)
What's it look like? I don't do Facebook.
Check the precautions given at the Boston Scientific (a major manufacturer of pacemakers) and you will find that some of the pacemakers warn about electric or Magnetic Interference. Specifically their ALTRUA family of pacemakers says. Advise patients to avoid sources of electric or magnetic interference (EMI). If the pacemaker inhibits or reverts to asynchronous operation at the programmed pacing rate or at the magnet rate while in the presence of the EMI, moving away from the source or turning it off will usually allow the pulse generator to return to its normal mode of operation.The magnet and pacemakers is bogus and an urban legend. I dare anyone to prove to me, from the pacemaker manufacture, where his is a concern.
The posts give you what you asked for Ed. And they do come from a major manufacturer and I think we need to give their engineers credit for knowing what they're talking about. They do mention safe distances....Guess they should not live on earth because the chart here shows earth core magnetic field is 25 gauss, hair dryers 20 gauss. Refrigerator is 50. Would hate to see what cars produce. I still have to call bogus on the claim in this context.
Let's just pay to have a pacemaker put in Ed and then stick him in a room with an MRI and see if he still doesn't believe it. *giggles like a maniac high on sugar*
The report I cited was 2013 not the 90s. And, my buddy still has a pacemaker - pacemakers are not terribly long lived so I suspect he's had it changed a few times in the 20 years or so. I'm not interested enough to call the manufacturer - I don't need one right now (not out of the question though because I do have an irregular heart beat),Better yet. CALL a manufacturer and ask them. Info from the 90's is grossly outdated. Parroting misinformation and outdated info is what leads to problems.
Well for me it isn't a debate...you made a specific statement about finding something put out by a manufacturer of pacemakers. I remembered when my buddy got one and went out and looked and at a manufacturers web site found what you had implied didn't exist. That's all no debate. No straw man just some items copied verbatim from the manufacturer's web site.Let's just pay to have a pacemaker put in Ed and then stick him in a room with an MRI and see if he still doesn't believe it. *giggles like a maniac high on sugar*
I swear I did not realize that Chinese made ZEN pen kits used MRI magnets.
All teasing aside this is a very good example of the 'Straw man' logic fallacy.
Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate
Plenty of harm (for warning labels) if the reason is psuedoscience, unclaimed justification and no proof to back up the claim.
The producer of the chart also says: "What is a safe distance to keep magnets away from pacemakers? We are not medical professionals, so we cannot offer guidance on pacemaker safety. Please consult a physician for this information." That's why I went to see what a pacemaker manufacturer had to say about it.The chart provided in the link Hopco posted States there is no danger
The producer of the chart also says: "What is a safe distance to keep magnets away from pacemakers? We are not medical professionals, so we cannot offer guidance on pacemaker safety. Please consult a physician for this information." That's why I went to see what a pacemaker manufacturer had to say about it.The chart provided in the link Hopco posted States there is no danger
That being said my friend who got a new pacemaker in 2014 said he did not receive any cautions about magnets with this one.
Like David, above, I would like one of the pens in question also !!!!
But I don't think they are on the market yet ... correct me if I am wrong, please.
Brian once again I want to thank you also for supplying known valuable info that is written as proof that there is legit claims to be a potential problem for people with these devices. This is the second such written info that makes it indeed a concern. The product which started this debate is new on the market and I have not seen the entire sales pitch and believe no one else has either so maybe there is something written in their sales program. I only brought this topic up because when I started making the Zen pen a couple years ago, I asked this same question and it got the same response. I had only sold one Zen pen and when I did I mentioned to the buyer of my thoughts on the magnetic cap and gave my warning.What happened after that I have no idea.
Now have there been any cases of actual problems because of magnets, I am sure there have and this is how they come upon being on that list. As I said also what harm would it do to attach this warning. The strength of the magnets is probably the big factor in all this and I do not claim to know the strength and the exact # that is need to cause a problem. But I still believe there is a need to at least consult with your DR if making a purchase like this. Maybe those people are well aware of the potential dangers already but in today's world any lawyer can sue for anything and people do.
I am glad in spite of the debate that this at least has been discussed to some extent and weather you believe it to be bogus or not I do believe it is worth a read. Thanks again.