The Zen fountain pen was Manny's original idea for a pine pen. After it was turned he realized the wood to resin ratio was too low so he disqualified it from the PITH ( sucks to be me :). The other pen is construction grade Pine on a Aussie Slim kit he received in a previous Australian pen trade. He also sent several great blanks including a blank that matches the Zen ( a future pen for the wife ).
