On this forum I believe it was Chip "TribalRR" at least that was the first one I remember seeing, but I've not quite been here two years yet, and I have to tell you that Chips Blew me away, Then Steve started doing them. I don't think these people that want a tutorial realize the expense that Neil has gone through from making his bandsaw more accurate which alone cost close to 350.00 to creating the jigs to make the blank, so he has a bunch of money and time invested. We were talking about making a more accurate miter sled, he's looking for 1 degree accuracy, any one have some idea how hard it is to hold 1 degree consistently? add to the fact he wants to do this on a compound angle. Sure call Rockler, or CSUSA they can help you with all of this stuff just sell your first born, buy some spare time (which is really expensive)and you too can join the wonderful world of marketing.
Maybe I'm not one to be talking because I've pretty much copied someone elsewhere tool design and have sold a couple hundred of them, BUT I didn't ask him for a tutorial on how to do it, I figured out the first one then went on to improve on his design, with a couple more designs. I really think this topic has been beaten to death
Warning, this turned long, sorry!
Ken,
We have to have SOMETHING to talk about. And, each new discussion brings up new facets of debate. Perhaps having influence on the NEXT "invention" or "innovation".
One of the reasons I don't choose to be "inventive" or "innovative" is my preference to find "income" in my hobbies. I don't believe these innovations pay minimum wage, on a per hour basis. But, I enjoy debate and I learn from others' opinions. Hopefully, Hank is equally open-minded and, some day we will be closer together in our opinions as he realizes he IS being paid to educate others to DO A JOB. Again, a dollar and cent motivation with an "employer" of some sort or other paying both people to exchange information, which neither of them "invented".
The herringbone most certainly HAS pre-existed Wolftat. However, he is under even LESS obligation (IN MY VIEW) to share his methods, under those circumstances. You wanna know how to make it, do some SERIOUS research. Clearly, it's been done, SOMEONE in those hundred years or so wrote a tutorial. GO FIND IT, if you can't figure out the process on your own. Neil and Steve (Akbar) have reintroduced an old concept which THEY figured out. They are under NO obligation to SHARE with anyone.
The link that shows the concept is over a century old, also means RESEARCH will result in success.
More than one source of information in the world. Just think, when I did research, there WAS NO INTERNET!!! NO GOOGLE!!! Not even Yahoo. All those founders were being BORN. We had to go to libraries -- try one ---math section ---- suspect you will find the "herringbone", called by some geometric name, spelled out in detail.
While you're there, you will be amazed what OTHER things you may learn.
FWIW!! WEPYPFI!!
By the way, Hank -- I do profit from my sales at exotics, but IF it were being run as a "life support business" our policies would be VERY different.
"Freebees" reduce profit. "Guest artists" reduce profit. "Flat rate freight" reduces profit. Well, let's leave it there. We started exotics because it seemed like fun to make blanks. We still get GREAT ENJOYMENT out of it, but it is NOT distorting my judgment or influencing my argument in this matter. I am a strong capitalist by nature --- I will defend EVERYONE'S RIGHT to EARN money from their innovations. If they are forced to give away those innovative ideas, why would they continue to SHOW them???
It's REAL HARD to eat "bragging rights" and with the current state of the economy, "pocket money" from your hobbies could be your only income next week, if you are laid off (Funny, my parents used to call that "fired", they both mean the same thing -- YOUR job is GONE!! You see, I have been unemployed in my life, but I have NOT taken money from the government during those times--I was not productive, I see no reason why I should be paid--- another part of being ornery and independent)