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Haynie

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I have Macs at home and plan to run boot camp. No problem there. I know I will need the 64 bit windows 8. I know I cannot use the upgrade, and need the full blown version. This only comes in the "pro" version, what ever that means.

Here is the questions?

When I buy an operating system for my macs I can install it on one desktop and my laptop. Can I do this with Windows?

Since I am going to set up boot camp anyway I might as well make the macbook pro able tpo work on stuff for our business. The office computer is a windows PC running Vista. Since I am buying Windows 8 can I install it on my PC in the office without losing anything?

Here are the particulars of the Macbook

Macbook pro Mid 2012
8gigs of ram

Here are the particulars of the PC at the office

HP Pavilion
3 gigs of ram
2.2 ghtz

It ain't fancy but it does more than what we need it to do. I would appreciate any help I can get
 
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I don't see any problem with what you want to do, but I would recommend VMWare Fusion rather than Boot Camp. Two main benefits - Windows simply runs like any other Mac application under Fusion, and you can readily switch between native Mac apps and Windows apps without having to reboot each time. Also you don't have to partition your hard into separate Mac & Windows partitions.

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If I understand correctly you want to install win 8 pro on your Mac. You can't to my knowledge install Windows on a Apple made computer. (Unless you are very skilled at computers) When you buy a copy of Windows you can (or at lease you should) only install one copy on one machine. So you should have to buy 2 copies, one copy for each machine.

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Leatherman1998 said:
If I understand correctly you want to install win 8 pro on your Mac. You can't to my knowledge install Windows on a Apple made computer. (Unless you are very skilled at computers) When you buy a copy of Windows you can (or at lease you should) only install one copy on one machine. So you should have to buy 2 copies, one copy for each machine.

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That used to be the case, but all current Mac computers can run Windows just fine. You can use either the built-in Boot Camp emulator or a product like VMWare's Fusion, and the process is no more difficult than installing Windows on a standard "PC box" (not that that isn't a daunting task oftentimes).

Microsoft's license policy does say that you are only permitted to install the Windows OS on one machine at a time - so yes, one should buy two copies if running it on two different machines. However, there is nothing other than one's own ethical view of such a policy to prevent it.
 
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That used to be the case, but all current Mac computers can run Windows just fine. You can use either the built-in Boot Camp emulator or a product like VMWare's Fusion, and the process is no more difficult than installing Windows on a standard "PC box" (not that that isn't a daunting task oftentimes).

Microsoft's license policy does say that you are only permitted to install the Windows OS on one machine at a time - so yes, one should buy two copies if running it on two different machines. However, there is nothing other than one's own ethical view of such a policy to prevent it.
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Your right in a way but I am saying without an emulator. Totally installing windows over Mac os.

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I was talking with my brother and we looked some more up and Win 7,8, (vista might be) UEFI compatible so you can install it BUT you won't get firmware updates. Linux kernel is compatible since 09 (I think) so you can run Linux which can run windows programs with wine, and Mac programs with parpc or darling ( I haven't used parpc or darling though) wine works well for me.

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Leatherman1998 said:
Your right in a way but I am saying without an emulator. Totally installing windows over Mac os.

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Well, Haynie and I were both talking about using emulators. The process used to be quite difficult before Apple started using Intel CPU chips, but the process is quite simple with modern Macs and Apple includes their Boot Camp emulator with every OSX installation DVD. It can also be downloaded from the Apple web site for free.

My main point was that some third party emulators are better than Apple's free emulator and are at least worth consideration to determine if their cost is worth the added convenience & capabilities.

Especially with Fusion, once Windows is installed using that emulator, Windows itself and every Windows application appears to run just like any other native Mac application. Even though Windows is running under a "PC Emulator", I cannot distinguish any performance differnce between Windows running in that fashion vs Windows running natively on a similarly configured (CPU & RAM specs) "PC Box".
 
edohmann said:
Microsoft's license policy does say that you are only permitted to install the Windows OS on one machine at a time - so yes, one should buy two copies if running it on two different machines. However, there is nothing other than one's own ethical view of such a policy to prevent it.
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That's not entirely true. Microsoft's Authentication program will "randomly" check to see if more than one computer is running with the same product key/license. If it finds two running under the same key the second install gets a warning about being the victim of fraud (they don't like to outright blame you) and after X amount of days Windows deactivates itself. Making it completely unusable until corrected.

Also the validation and activation will most likely fail. Here is an excerpt from Microsoft's website
1 License = 1 PC. Another common cause of Windows validation failure happens when you try to install Windows on more computers than your license allows. For instance, if you purchased one copy of Windows and installed in on more than one PC, online validation might fail because the product key has already been used on another computer. Normally, the rule to follow for most copies of Windows is that only one copy of Windows can be installed on one PC. Go to the Microsoft Volume Licensing website to learn about what your license allows.
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Waluy - That's also "not entirely true"... Normal end user OEM or retail licenses check for multiple copies. Corporate (aka volume licenses), TechNet, MSDN, etc. licenses do not. Thought now some of those won't activate after some certain date, and some are even now supposed to start expiring automatically.

Typical Microsoft -- you simply cannot make blanket statements. It usually more along the lines of "You can/can't do X, except for Y, and that's except for Z, and then there's the A,B or C exception as well.

Edit - Want some real fun? Sit through a MS licensing "event" - especially the Q&A at the end. Never seen so many people more confused at the end than the beginning before!
 
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True I guess I was just assuming OP would probably just be getting "standard" retail license since it was only for 1-2 computers.
 
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Yep, residential license. So one computer-one operating system. Bastards. Oh well. I'll just install it in boot camp and live with vista at the office.
 
Slightly off topic: Of course in my personal experience I would NEVER choose to put Windows 8 on anything. In fact if I were to buy a new computer that came standard with Windows 8 I would probably immediately upgrade to a better OS, you know like Windows ME :eek::eek: But then again I hate logging on as an admin and still having to tell everything to run as admin THERE'S A REASON I LOGGED ON AS AN ADMIN!!:mad:
Ok my rant is over.
 
Current versions of Boot Camp do not support Windows XP, but VMWare's Fusion will support Windows XP, 7, or 8. I'm using Fusion with XP Pro on OSX10.8.5 and it works great. I recently bought a 10 pack of XP pro CDs & licenses for $100 on Amazon. It's omething to consider if XP will serve your needs - you might be able to get Fusion and an XP license cheaper than a Windows 8 license.
 
This is for my son not me. I breathe a sigh of releif when I get to work in the MAC environment. He wants to use KODU. It says it will work on XP but I have also read of people having issues with xp and KODU. If I am going to do this I might as well go with new.

Rant coming:
This whole -one computer one program crap pisses me off. It is like saying one channel one TV. I fully understand not handing it out to neighbors, but in my home on my computers it should not be an issue.

Rant over.
 
Doesn't KODU also run on Xbox 360? I'm not certain why I think that, but it may be a less put-one's-head-through-one's-wall solution than trying to get the brain around Microsoft's licensing/multiple computers/windows 7, 8 or what flavor to use? problems.
 
Waluy said:
Slightly off topic: Of course in my personal experience I would NEVER choose to put Windows 8 on anything. In fact if I were to buy a new computer that came standard with Windows 8 I would probably immediately upgrade to a better OS, you know like Windows ME :eek::eek: But then again I hate logging on as an admin and still having to tell everything to run as admin THERE'S A REASON I LOGGED ON AS AN ADMIN!!:mad:
Ok my rant is over.
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Same here, I love using Linux or Win 7 my uncle was one of the designers for Microsoft and he still says for security and speed 2000 is the best.

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Leatherman1998 said:
Same here, I love using Linux or Win 7 my uncle was one of the designers for Microsoft and he still says for security and speed 2000 is the best.

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Wow really!?! Windows ME (2000) ranked No. 4 on PC World's list of "the 25 worst tech products of all time" where they even point out that it would randomly restore things you never wanted to see again like viruses you had just gotten rid of.

Edit I still forget there was actually Windows NT 2000 which was really secure and speedy. ME just killed Windows for me during that timeframe.
 
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2000 is not ME! Not even close... 2000 Pro was release 1st part of 2000 as a business OS and was the replacement for WinNT4. Internally it was NTv5.0 WinMe was released later the same year as the replacement for Win98 and internally is v4.9... completely different OS.
 
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LagniappeRob said:
2000 is not ME! Not even close... 2000 Pro was release 1st part of 2000 as a business OS and was the replacement for WinNT4. Internally it was NTv5.0 WinMe was released later the same year as the replacement for Win98 and internally is v4.9... completely different OS.
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Hence my earlier edit. Most of the people I deal with on a daily basis refer to ME! as 2000 because of its release date and the fact that home users didn't typically have 2000 Pro. They refer to them much like one would think of XP and XP Pro. But I feel we have derailed this thread long enough.
 
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