firewhatfire
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Has any one ever tried to use a tap and die on elephant ivory? I have a piece and thought about trying it.
Elephant Ivory ????
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GoodTurns
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I would make an insert from a more solid material and inset it inside the tube you want to thread..probably safer.
edstreet
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While you might be able to thread ivory I can give you several reasons you do not want to. First it's elephant ivory, which means it's pricy, hard to get, has a taboo cult following and there is that paperwork issue. All total this means it would be better to thread something else and use it as an insert.
PTsideshow
Member
Currently you better have paper work to prove it is pre ban ivory, You better watch out. As 3 days ago "Hillary Clinton announces program aimed at stamping out elephant poaching, ivory trade"
It is only going to get worse as they announced that "
The Elephant Ivory Project is in the field! and will be collecting elephant DNA samples in two core populations The end results they will be able to tell if the ivory is from poached elephants. And I'm sure you could get less jail time if you killed 50 people, then being in the possession of poached ivory!
Have and keep the paper work!
As been said use a threaded insert of some other material!
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It is only going to get worse as they announced that "
The Elephant Ivory Project is in the field! and will be collecting elephant DNA samples in two core populations The end results they will be able to tell if the ivory is from poached elephants. And I'm sure you could get less jail time if you killed 50 people, then being in the possession of poached ivory!
Have and keep the paper work!
As been said use a threaded insert of some other material!
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firewhatfire
Member
No worries. I got it proper. Thanks for the insight.
nava1uni
Member
I am glad that poaching is getting to be more difficult and that restrictions for poaching animals are becoming more stringent. The killing of elephants, tigers, and other animals for their body parts.
low_48
Member
In full agreement! I would just as soon see all ivory sales banned.
edstreet
Member
Isn't that rather harsh? There are many valid and viable reasons to have ivory, including post death, other than poaching i.e. natural. This is no different than organ donation. Oh and before anyone mentions it not all organ donation goes to 'saving lives' as many goes for teaching locations and the like.
The other truth is flat out bans of this nature never works, never has and never will.
Donnie Kennedy
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PTsideshow
Member
Don't know why you need elephant ivory, There is thousands of tons of mammoth ivory still in the ground in Siberia. varying in color from white to black. Secondly all most every country that is a member of CITES will auction the confiscated ivory off every couple of years to generate revenue. Plus there is a lot of pre CITES ivory in the pipeline already.Yea, just do that and watch Ivory prices skyrocket. Think about it
A lot of the "ivory carving" figurines that have been sold since the late 60's is really bone. If you need something that is new just pick up a bag of Tagu/vegetable palm nuts they are now making a come back and generating a renewable crop for some South American countries.
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low_48
Member
Prices are set by demand, no demand, no price.
low_48
Member
Who separates the post death and other than poaching, from the poaching? As long as there is some kind of market, there will be poaching. Maybe the market can not be eliminated, but if banning sales reduced the market at all it would be worth it.
Donovan
Member
Banning and outlaw and any other restrictions that the authorities tries to implement does not work as long as there is a demand for a product. There is a total ban on rhino horn trade and yet more than 600 rhinos was pouched in South Africa this year alone. We have seen a sharp escalation in pouching in the recent years. Banning it does nothing except push the price up
Donovan
Donovan
edstreet
Member
Banning things never works. There has never been and never will be a 'successful ban' Reason for that can be found in psychology. The ban mentality is quite perverse and serious logic fallacy in thinking that if something is banned then no desire, no drive and no marketplace would exist. One just simply needs to look at the black market and the psychology behind that to clearly see major flaws in the ban concepts.
Besides many items have seen increased usage after bans were enacted.
Kenny Durrant
Member
I don't think bannig ivory will help. Like the article said there is no stiff penalty for poaching. Maybe if they started at the top of the problem then they could regulate the sale of ivory taken by means other than poaching. I do appose poaching but agree with legal means of animal control. Thanks
Joe S.
Member
I'm currently waiting for my economics class to start, so here goes nothing. The demand curve for Ivory is pretty steep, which means price does not affect the quantity demanded much. By shifting the supply curve back (via banning), you will lower the quantity sold by a little, and skyrocket the price. Now, with the quantity demanded for Ivory is a little lower, but the rewards for poaching are MUCH higher. People are now willing to risk more the get these higher rewards (more $ per elephant poached) and will brave stricter prosecution. This is better shown with a graph, but I don't have one now.
firewhatfire
Member
Who knew a simple question about threading a material could spawn such debate. As far as using Mammoth ivory I would glady use it also. I have used a mammoth tooth in a pen before.
I sure am glad I didn't ask about threading tortoise shell.
I sure am glad I didn't ask about threading tortoise shell.
PTsideshow
Member
that would have been easier since you can't own it currently in the US. But they make some every good Faux tortoise shell, that is very hard to tell from real once it is finished. Very pricey probably more then the real stuff.
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ttpenman
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Idea to end poaching
Here's my idea about Elephant Ivory poaching and I will admit I have no idea whether it would work or would even be feasible. My idea is to treat the tusks with some type of permanent, non-toxic dye. Some color that would make the Ivory unsalable. Not sure how the Elephants would feel about this, it may screw up their love life, I don't know. But it would make the Ivory useless for almost any use and would clearly take the poachers profits out since they would be unable to sell the colored Ivory. Sorry, but it would also take Ivory that occurs from deaths, etc. off the market also.
Idea have any merit? Worth consideration? Don't know. Just my 2 cents and probably worth even less than that.
My rant for the month (or year)
Jeff in northern Wisconsin
Here's my idea about Elephant Ivory poaching and I will admit I have no idea whether it would work or would even be feasible. My idea is to treat the tusks with some type of permanent, non-toxic dye. Some color that would make the Ivory unsalable. Not sure how the Elephants would feel about this, it may screw up their love life, I don't know. But it would make the Ivory useless for almost any use and would clearly take the poachers profits out since they would be unable to sell the colored Ivory. Sorry, but it would also take Ivory that occurs from deaths, etc. off the market also.
Idea have any merit? Worth consideration? Don't know. Just my 2 cents and probably worth even less than that.
My rant for the month (or year)
Jeff in northern Wisconsin
Joe S.
Member
Unless you made the discoloring genetic (bad idea) you would have to treat every new baby elephant with the dye. Plus, it would be hard to get that funded. :biggrin:
Joe S.
Member
Plus, that would drive the price for "clean" ivory to the moon, making it worth the time and risk to hunt down non-treated elephants.
ttpenman
Member
The groups the want to "Save the Elephants, whales, seals, apes, et al" all seem to have huge budgets to run ads in media everywhere. Why not use the money to actually DO something? And, the numbers of Elephants is getting pretty small. I'm sure the cost would not be that bad. I'd donate to a cause that actually DID something rather than just talk about it!! Or causes that raise millions for a good cause but than pay their execs HUGE salaries.
Jeff in northern WIsconsin
Jeff in northern WIsconsin
PaulDoug
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Let's see, what was the OP question? Here we go, way off track.
Joe S.
Member
It looked to me like the question was answered.
Joe S.
Member
Well, sort of... I threaded dear antler before, but I can't say how well it holds up.
PTsideshow
Member
The bigger problem would be dealing with the elephants in the wild, they tend not to like humans to get close to the group.
Plus the fact that if you can put some thing in the tusk there will be away to get it out.
Plus the largest fact is that they constantly grow!
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Plus the fact that if you can put some thing in the tusk there will be away to get it out.
Plus the largest fact is that they constantly grow!
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