PLEEZE! Lead in REUSABLE food bags?

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OK, I just can't help myself here. I'll try not to get myself moderated. This is NOT political, JUST COMMON SENSE!

LEAD in reuseable food bags? OK, if you are worried about the 1/100,000,000,000 parts lead in the re-usable food bags (the news media sorta left this part out), put your dang produce in the PVC bags (haven't really seen a toxicology report on these yet - much worse than the food bags, I suspect) and leave those stupid, non-disposable plastic bags with your grocer. WOOD IS WONDERFUL-REQUEST PAPER!

Those plastic bags from the market have a half life of 1,000,000 years and will eventually be the downfall of this planet. I worked on a "focus group" once, and grocers believe that we percieve "more value with MORE bags!"

I, for one, grew up with lead painted walls, asbostos ceilings in all the schools from kindergarten through undergraduate school, load my own ammunition for nearly 4 decades and TO DATE have suffered NO ill effects. AND IF I DO SUFFER ILL EFFECTS, ACCORDING TO MY TV, THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE RESPONSIBLE, that I can sue for free with the right law firm.

Whatever happened to NEEDING PROOF, before launching outlandish claims. PLEASE FOLKS, Get the facts..don't just believe the TV news! This is a smart group here, let's get ALL the facts!

Very respectfully submitted.
 
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IMHO, we have entered an era where we must do our own research, because we can't "really" trust our news outlets looking to "boost" readership or viewership.

THE IAP IS SAVY ENOUGH TO GLEAN THE TRUTH! I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN US.....Not so much in "them".
 
If anyone ever has questions on the effects of various chemicals on the body, let me know. I've been working as an Industrial hygienst (simplified-worker health & safety) for 30+ years and can probably answer your questions.
 
my grocery store gives away the cloth bags and I reuse them when I shop, but i dont buy much. Just candy and wax lips and flashlights. Can never have too many of them.
 
Don't we just love the mass media shoving things down our throats and we take it as gospel. Let's see first eggs were bad, then they were good, then they were good except the whites, then the yellow.......
 
I wonder what the cancer death per capita was 50 yrs ago compared today with all the chemicals that are used in production of our consumables.

Obviously we have to be careful with some of the things we use but give me a break. It's just that we were smart enough not to eat the paint chips!!!
 
Never any dirt.... I live in Georgia, it is all red clay! Had to be careful eating it, too! If you drank water after eating it, you would crap a coffee mug the next day... And passing that handle is hard on a young redneck. DAMHIKT:)
 
Duh, now let me see, when I worked in the electronics shop, I used solder for chewing gum. Then as a mechanic, i washed the grease off my hands in leaded gasoline and changed out brakes made with asbostus by cleaning the drums with an air gun then blowing the dust off myself the same way. I then worked in a body shop painting cars with laqure without any type of mask(drunk all the time on fumes), washed my hands in thinner, worked in a newspaper smelting lead and antamony for type and castings, then spent 35 years in chemical plants with many horrible chemicals including anhydrous hydroflouric acid. Gee, it is a wonder I can still walk and breath at the same time.

A few years back John Stossel, and I am not a big fan of his, had a show on ABC one night, 'Are We Scaring Ourselves To Death?' That was a good explaination of how we are putting ourselves in the nut house.

OMG! I wish I had not read this thread. There I go on my soap box again. Thank goodness I caught myself and finally stopped. Please forgive me.
Charles
 
Geez what did I miss. Over 25 years ago I was A bagger for a local store. And when plastic bags came out well I hated them because of the way the rack had to be mounted. Killed my overall speed. I could bag a $100 order before the cashier told the customer the total... and what is sick, I can still do it.

If people are worried about Lead in such minute levels... Please, High Fructose corn syrup is much more news worthy as a danger to all.
 
PenMan1 said:
I, for one, grew up with lead painted walls, asbostos ceilings in all the schools from kindergarten through undergraduate school, load my own ammunition for nearly 4 decades and TO DATE have suffered NO ill effects. AND IF I DO SUFFER ILL EFFECTS
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What do you mean NO ILL effects?? I can see one right here :cool:, you have lost the ability to believe EVERYTHING you read or hear in the media :eek: :eek:

I do however totally agree with you, every day it would appear that "THEY" release study information ( no matter how contradtictiory at times) telling us we are doomed if we do this or that. What ever happened to a bit of common sense and moderation?
 
And the study probably lied too

Yep and the study they cited probably was not conducted properly either....that is common today also, fudge the statistics.
 
The southeastern grocery chain, Winn-Dixie, is pulling all the re-usable bags from their stores because of some kind of risk when disposing of them! Toxic fumes or smoke? I didn't read the entire article. Paper bags grow back!
 
Bring back my plastic grocery bags. I reuse them cleaning up the landmines my dog leaves around the back yard. Likely the only piece of 100% degradable material that gets tossed around here and our municipality wants it double bagged in plastic. Maybe I should build a little house out back with a hole and see if I can train my dog to use it.
 
ctubbs said:
then spent 35 years in chemical plants with many horrible chemicals including anhydrous hydroflouric acid. Gee, it is a wonder I can still walk and breath at the same time.
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Wow, Charles, that sounds familiar. I worked for 35 years in the plant that probably made that anhydrous hydrogen flouride, Allied Chemical. Now there was some nasty stuff. Glad we both walked away.
 
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I don't know if this would be political... But try owning rental property! Our city's insepctions and housing department is going nuts about lead in window sills and elsewhere. Everything has be be scraped and painted over. Plus there's the hyper-sensitivity about asbestos, mold, other dangers... It's amazing we ever survived, much less thrived, in these horrible old houses.

By brother has a concern that someday it'll basically be illegal to have an old house- just because there's so many energy and safety codes that have to be met (with no grandfathering). And sadly, most people would demo a house completely and start from scratch than to properly restore it... :(
 
STUDIES, BAH HUMBUG. for years now iI have had a problem with any study declaring disaster or world ending if we do not (add your own thing here) especially if this horendious problem helps the study operators maintain their livelyhood or standard of living. Many of them are out and out lies, nothing more. I am a science guy. I believe in Physics and Chemistry. I firmly believe that I can take a pile of data and prove just about anything. I was taught that to prove anything, you start out to prove the negative. Our "scientist" of today appear to do the opposite. Any crackpot can come up with some kind of crap, grab a camera and go on the news and now he is an 'expert' in something. BS. I am sick and tired of all this stuff. Just how in creation did any of us over 50 survive our childhood years? If I did not have chores around the farm, my folks got me out of the house early morning and I was not due back until I could not see. No one ever worried about where I was or what I was doing. I survived and I am better for the experience!
Charles
 
As a small child in the 1950's, I used to sit in my dad's lap and drive the 1957 Chevrolet Bel-Air with it's massive steering wheell and non-padded dash and NON safety windshield.

Today, children are strapped into carseats in a rear passenger seat. Unfortumately, today, we have more children killed in automobile crashes than we did in the 1950.

Using the logic applied to the lead food bag study, would suggest that letting infants drive cars with massive steering wheels and metal dashboards would be safer than carseat.

I guess the media think we are all stupid.
 
PenMan1 said:
As a small child in the 1950's, I used to sit in my dad's lap and drive the 1957 Chevrolet Bel-Air with it's massive steering wheell and non-padded dash and NON safety windshield.

Today, children are strapped into carseats in a rear passenger seat. Unfortumately, today, we have more children killed in automobile crashes than we did in the 1950.

Using the logic applied to the lead food bag study, would suggest that letting infants drive cars with massive steering wheels and metal dashboards would be safer than carseat.

I guess the media think we are all stupid.
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Andy - I would LOVE to see your proof/statistics on that one... This is the only easy thing I could find, and it doesn't go back that far. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

I would have to belive that the ONLY reason for less children killed in the 50's would be the lower number of cars per capita.
 
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PenMan1 said:
As a small child in the 1950's, I used to sit in my dad's lap and drive the 1957 Chevrolet Bel-Air with it's massive steering wheell and non-padded dash and NON safety windshield.

Today, children are strapped into carseats in a rear passenger seat. Unfortumately, today, we have more children killed in automobile crashes than we did in the 1950.

Using the logic applied to the lead food bag study, would suggest that letting infants drive cars with massive steering wheels and metal dashboards would be safer than carseat.

I guess the media think we are all stupid.
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Andy - I would LOVE to see your proof/statistics on that one... This is the only easy thing I could find, and it doesn't go back that far. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

I would have to belive that the ONLY reason for less children killed in the 50's would be the lower number of cars per capita.
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Dean:
That IS the ONLY reason. Smaller auto population and smaller number children riding in autos. If you look at the PERCENTAGE of population, as the link you posted correctly counts by 100,000s, the total would be TREMENDOUSLY higher in the 1950s. That was also the point I was making, you have to look at data in a meaningful way (as you did).
 
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Very interesting thread .... it leaves me wondering two things ....

1. Can wax lips be used to plug my pen tubes when gluing
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2. I thought an Industrial hygenist was what I needed after being left at home alone with a box of Oreo Double Stuffs!!!!!!
 
ctubbs said:
Duh, now let me see, when I worked in the electronics shop, I used solder for chewing gum. Then as a mechanic, i washed the grease off my hands in leaded gasoline and changed out brakes made with asbostus by cleaning the drums with an air gun then blowing the dust off myself the same way. I then worked in a body shop painting cars with laqure without any type of mask(drunk all the time on fumes), washed my hands in thinner, worked in a newspaper smelting lead and antamony for type and castings, then spent 35 years in chemical plants with many horrible chemicals including anhydrous hydroflouric acid. Gee, it is a wonder I can still walk and breath at the same time.

A few years back John Stossel, and I am not a big fan of his, had a show on ABC one night, 'Are We Scaring Ourselves To Death?' That was a good explaination of how we are putting ourselves in the nut house.

OMG! I wish I had not read this thread. There I go on my soap box again. Thank goodness I caught myself and finally stopped. Please forgive me.
Charles
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This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from Braveheart: The Almighty tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're ******. :tongue:
 
who knows

tim self said:
I wonder what the cancer death per capita was 50 yrs ago compared today with all the chemicals that are used in production of our consumables.

Obviously we have to be careful with some of the things we use but give me a break. It's just that we were smart enough not to eat the paint chips!!!
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I don't know but I do know that the life expectancy at age 21 is a good deal higher today than it was then. My personal thought is over exposure to just about any chemical will cause bad things. Just as will over exposure to sanding dust and saw dust. 50 years ago few wood shops had dust collectors, now few don't have.
 
we didn't

ctubbs said:
STUDIES, BAH HUMBUG. for years now iI have had a problem with any study declaring disaster or world ending if we do not (add your own thing here) especially if this horendious problem helps the study operators maintain their livelyhood or standard of living. Many of them are out and out lies, nothing more. I am a science guy. I believe in Physics and Chemistry. I firmly believe that I can take a pile of data and prove just about anything. I was taught that to prove anything, you start out to prove the negative. Our "scientist" of today appear to do the opposite. Any crackpot can come up with some kind of crap, grab a camera and go on the news and now he is an 'expert' in something. BS. I am sick and tired of all this stuff. Just how in creation did any of us over 50 survive our childhood years? If I did not have chores around the farm, my folks got me out of the house early morning and I was not due back until I could not see. No one ever worried about where I was or what I was doing. I survived and I am better for the experience!
Charles
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We didn't...hasn't anyone told you...we're all dead. No one could have lived through what we did routinely.
 
Most studies that cite an increase of various diseases fail to include the fact that the major reason for the increase is that in the past people died of other things before they could get the disease cited in the study.
 
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