Sale of ivory

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I heard on the news this morning that the O administration is trying to outlaw any sale of ivory within the USA unless one can prove it is at least 100 years old.
Won't affect me, but some of our members use ivory on their pens. It might be time to clear out existing inventory.
 
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Is that from the day it was born or the day it was poached??

I can just imagine some nut trying to defend himself in court...:rolleyes:

' But Judge, it must be legal ivory as the elephant was 85 years old when I shot it, 20 years ago. '

On the news recently it was reported that Irish River Dancer- Michael Flatley's house was burgled.
He lost some popularity when he informed the media that someone had sawn off the horn from his mounted stuffed Black Rhino head.....:eek:
 
Wonder if that counts for reused piano keys? I can't say it is a bad thing, but it will make it that much more desirable to a specific niche of clientele. Those who want it more because it is outlawed. Like those folks who pay huge money to eat endangered animals.
 
Unless there are some new rules comming, CITES inacted and baned the international trade of ivory in January of 1990. If you buy,sell, or trade ivory you better have documentation of age and origin. There are many products made today that look like ivory being sold. The hot needle test will tell you if it is true ivory. Many people will sell items listing or calling it ivory, meaning that the color is ivory, not a lie, but a streach of the fact, and it's not real ivory. If you should happen to run into old keys, I would take photos of them in their original state before transforming them into any project. Also use the hot needle test to see if they are real. If you apply a hot needle to real ivory it will not penatrate into it. If it is any type of synthetic, it will melt into it. Not a positive 100% test, but good enough to save you some money. Jim S
 
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Is that from the day it was born or the day it was poached??

I can just imagine some nut trying to defend himself in court...:rolleyes:

' But Judge, it must be legal ivory as the elephant was 85 years old when I shot it, 20 years ago. '

On the news recently it was reported that Irish River Dancer- Michael Flatley's house was burgled.
He lost some popularity when he informed the media that someone had sawn off the horn from his mounted stuffed Black Rhino head.....:eek:

That's a good one !!! I think if you get to the point of standing in front of a judge, you don't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning. Also the chances of anyone having legit 100 year old documents are slim and none. Jim S
 
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U.S. to ban most commercial trade of elephant ivory - latimes.com

Under the existing system, ivory cannot be imported unless it is an antique. Commercial objects made before 1976 and antiques can be exported, and domestic sales are essentially unregulated.

The new measures also will ban the import of antique African elephant ivory and all exports, except antiques.

The administration will ban the resale of elephant ivory across state lines, except antiques. Sales within a state will be prohibited unless the seller can demonstrate an item was lawfully imported before 1990 for African elephants and 1975 for Asian elephants. People can still own ivory and pass heirlooms to descendants, officials said.

Exceptions to the current rules have allowed trade in ivory to flourish in the United States, environmentalists said.

"Because we have an antiquities exemption, everything becomes an antique," said a senior administration official who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak for his agency.

To qualify as an antique under the new measures, an item must be more than 100 years old and meet other requirements under the Endangered Species Act, criteria that sellers will have to demonstrate.

The biggest change will be that law enforcement will no longer have to prove that ivory it seized was illicitly acquired. Owners now have the burden of proof to show they legally obtained it. If they imported it before 1990, for example, they will need to produce export permits from the country of origin and a U.S. import permit.

U.S. to ban most commercial trade of elephant ivory - latimes.com


Very interesting to note the strategy here.



Also . http://www.fws.gov/home/feature/2014/trafficking/national-strategy-wildlife-trafficking.pdf

Moreover, concerns are rising that funds garnered from slaughtering wildlife are helping to fuel terrorist groups and rogue militias across Africa. Experts also say that many of those involved in the trade are also connected other criminal activities such as corruption, drugs, human-trafficking, illegal logging, and weapons dealing.
 
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:rolleyes: Thanks Ed for the inside of the new rules being enacted. The key word is "antique". Most people will say it's an antique if it isn't hanging from a living, breathing elephant. Even if the piece is signed, dated, and looks old, it doesn't mean it wasn't made last week. Gone is the innocent until proven guilty on this one. If you are caught with ivory, you are guilty until you can prove beyond a doubt that it is legit. Now if you have a small piece of ivory you may not have to much to worry about, as the Goverment isn't going to worry about a small amount of Ivory in a single pen. They are looking for the people that have hundreds of pounds of it or even tons with no documentation. But, if you should end up in court, please don't say I said it was OK. Jim S
 
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