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Looks like I need a new phone by Dec. Verizon sent me a letter that my old cell phone will not be usable any more. They will not support 3G or 4G phones that do not support HD voice. Let me first say I have no idea what that means and even if you explain it I probably will not understand it. So it looks like I will have to finally get rid of my flip phone and step up to one of these flat screen phones. Thanks in advance.

OK with that said here is what I am asking. A few things I want is
not expensive
Ease of use( have big hands)
good camera
not too large
good quality
be able to view in daylight


Now things you think I should have??

Finally what is a good model without breaking the bank. I do not want to spend a thousand dollars on a cell phone. Remember I have no experience with these type phones. Old school here. Please no laughing out loud. Took me a long time to upgrade my computer.

I am sure many questions to follow.:)
 
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I went with OnePlus myself. Much cheaper than the alternatives (iPhone, Samsung, etc.) Good quality, reliable, fast, good quality phone (always had problems with iPhone voice quality), and its Android-based (Oxygen is an android-derived operating system used by OnePlus).

Camera is excellent: Hasselblad (as an old school guy, you probably know that name from medium format cameras of old). Very, very good cameras.

The screen is very bright, visible in daylight, and is also at least 90hz (so its very crisp and clear, never stutters or jerks around or anything like that when scrolling and the like.)

You can get them unlocked, and they should work on any network. I do believe Verizon started supporting them a year or two ago.

https://www.oneplus.com/
 
Looks like I need a new phone by Dec. Verizon sent me a letter that my old cell phone will not be usable any more. They will not support 3G or 4G phones that do not support HD voice. Let me first say I have no idea what that means and even if you explain it I probably will not understand it. So it looks like I will have to finally get rid of my flip phone and step up to one of these flat screen phones. Thanks in advance.

OK with that said here is what I am asking. A few things I want is
not expensive
Ease of use( have big hands)
good camera
not too large
good quality
be able to view in daylight


Now things you think I should have??

Finally what is a good model without breaking the bank. I do not want to spend a thousand dollars on a cell phone. Remember I have no experience with these type phones. Old school here. Please no laughing out loud. Took me a long time to upgrade my computer.

I am sure many questions to follow.:)
If you want to stick with android, Samsung's A series phones are pretty good, and dont go over 400 dollars(their mid-range phones; not the S series, which is their flagship line i.e s20, s21 s22) https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-a/
They also currently offer a certified renewed programs that allow you to get some of their newer refurbished model phones for discounted prices. The cameras on the Samsungs are also quite nice.

Google pixels are reportedly pretty good as well.
Google pixels have superb camera software, which makes for great photos.

IOS (apple) makes the IPhone SE, which is smaller and cheaper, and of course, apple. I'm not a huge fan of apple, with limiting software and the fact that they try to scam you if you take it in for repairs. I may be biased though.

I reccomend JerryRigsEverything for durability tests, and seeing how well the phone holds up to daily life, and just checking out other tech reviews/YouTube to help make your decisions. For more information about apples repair tactics, I'd highly reccomend checking out Louis Rossmann. Specifically, Google, "Louis Rossmann Apple" to get to his videos on apples repair antics.
Best of luck on finding a new phone!
 
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I feel your pain! I had to give up my flip phone a couple of years ago. In my opinion cell phones are the creation of the devil. I have a Samsung A phone. It does the job and was inexpensive. Enjoy the learning curve!
 
John

I went Iphone 5 model because I want a small phone to fit my pocket not larger pockets to fit my phone !

Now upgraded to an SE and it seems fine. Keeping the same number is a total pain though but I will succeed despite the "helplines " best efforts to make it difficult.

Family use Iphone 6 models which are slightly bigger ( which might suit you more ) but they all love them. Big plus is the seamless transfer of data to other devices ipads etc.

Camera is OK not a patch on my Nikon but I bought it as a phone not a camera
 
John -

The first hurdle you will need to cross is dealing with the fact that phones aren't just phones anymore. Instead, they are small computers that do a lot more than allow you to call home. - web surfing, e-mail, gps navigation, and a host of phone-based 'apps' that make life easier. Over time, you will learn to appreciate what those additional features can do for you.

But the fact that they are computers then introduces the really big issue of operating system - there are basically two out there, iOS and Android. iOS is exclusive to Apple products, while Android is used most other popular phones. There are differences between the two systems, but the bottom line is that you can do pretty much anything you want to do in either system, although how you do it might be different. iOS is only available in Apple phones and it tends to be more expensive. On the other hand, iOS functionality tends to be better organized and is internally integrated, while Andoid feels a bit disconnected at times. But whichever way you go, you have to learn how to use the features. I think most people eventually get to the point where they believe (right or wrong) that they operating system they chose is the best - because they know how to use it and the alternative feels uncomfortable.

I have an Apple phone, while my wife has an LG which is Android. I am 'tech support' for both phones, and I really do find Apple to be easier to work with although there are times when bad words are required to fix issues with either phone. Our son who lives at home has a Samsung, and our son who lives on the west coast has a Google Pixel.

Others have pretty much summarized the price landscape. Apple just announced a new version of their SE budget phone - I have had an older SE for more than 5 years and like it very much. However, one drawback is that the battery is rather small, so it has to be recharged more frequently.

Wife's LG seems to be a perfectly OK phone, and it cost a bunch less than my Apple SE. Unfortunately, LG has abandoned the phone market so that may not be an option. Others have mentioned OnePlus - the information I have read suggests that is a good choice in the Android world.

One thing to be aware of - from what I can see, the most common maintenance issue for phones is battery replacement. Battery size tends to correlate with how long you can go between recharging the phone, and more is generally better. However, there is another parameter that is also important - how many times can the battery be recharged before it has tso be replaced. Apple does publish a number for their phones (500 complete cycles from 0 charge to 100%) and there is a way to get the count of recharge cycles at any time. I haven't seen that kind of information on other phones, but then I haven't looked very hard for it either. I prefer plug-in recharging rather than wireless recharging.

By the way, don't let the 5G thing influence your buying decisions - while 5G is becoming available, it still isn't everywhere, and 4G LTE is just as good as the initial rollout of 5G. 5G doesn't add anything to the ability of a phone to serve as a telephone - and it will be some time before implementation of 5G will make much of a difference, and even then the impact will be more in terms of video download speed and the ability to connect multiple devices to the internet. 5G has little or nothing to do with how well you can use a phone to call home.

Final thought - our son with the Google Pixel phone chose that phone because he was going to be traveling extensively outside the US for a few years, and needed a phone that would be convenient to use anywhere in the world. He chose Google not so much for the phone as for the terms associated with using Google as his wireless service provider. If you don't plan to travel extensively, his experience won't apply to you.

But having said that, my experience is that while getting wireless access outside the US is going to be quite expensive if you have an AT&T or Verizon account, there are workarounds that can essentially wipe out that cost. Those workarounds are possible because of the enhanced functionality that comes in smart phones. Most hotels outside the US offer free Wifi, and you can also get free access in any McDonalds. Once you can access Wifi, you can use smart phone apps like Facetime (on iOS only) or Google Duo to make video calls that don't cost anything.

And one more thing - if you currently use a 'flip phone' you may be using it only as a telephone, so switching to a smart phone could trigger an additional charge for data service from Verizon. Check your service contract for details.
 
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It should be noted that most carriers should have a 'free' phone with a 2-3yr contract. Pretty much anything that you will get this way would still be a massive upgrade to what you currently have and should meet your criteria. Even the worst phones today still have acceptable cameras in them...

I can't speak to the motorola shown here but I had a Samsung Galaxy S20 and it was a great phone. It should surpass all of your needs and right now it is a free upgrade option.

This listing says 'add a line or switch' but if you call them, they will (at least did for me) give you the phone as an upgrade option.

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John -

The first hurdle you will need to cross is dealing with the fact that phones aren't just phones anymore. Instead, they are small computers that do a lot more than allow you to call home. - web surfing, e-mail, gps navigation, and a host of phone-based 'apps' that make life easier. Over time, you will learn to appreciate what those additional features can do for you.

But the fact that they are computers then introduces the really big issue of operating system - there are basically two out there, iOS and Android. iOS is exclusive to Apple products, while Android is used most other popular phones. There are differences between the two systems, but the bottom line is that you can do pretty much anything you want to do in either system, although how you do it might be different. iOS is only available in Apple phones and it tends to be more expensive. On the other hand, iOS functionality tends to be better organized and is internally integrated, while Andoid feels a bit disconnected at times. But whichever way you go, you have to learn how to use the features. I think most people eventually get to the point where they believe (right or wrong) that they operating system they chose is the best - because they know how to use it and the alternative feels uncomfortable.

I have an Apple phone, while my wife has an LG which is Android. I am 'tech support' for both phones, and I really do find Apple to be easier to work with although there are times when bad words are required to fix issues with either phone. Our son who lives at home has a Samsung, and our son who lives on the west coast has a Google Pixel.

Others have pretty much summarized the price landscape. Apple just announced a new version of their SE budget phone - I have had an older SE for more than 5 years and like it very much. However, one drawback is that the battery is rather small, so it has to be recharged more frequently.

Wife's LG seems to be a perfectly OK phone, and it cost a bunch less than my Apple SE. Unfortunately, LG has abandoned the phone market so that may not be an option. Others have mentioned OnePlus - the information I have read suggests that is a good choice in the Android world.

One thing to be aware of - from what I can see, the most common maintenance issue for phones is battery replacement. Battery size tends to correlate with how long you can go between recharging the phone, and more is generally better. However, there is another parameter that is also important - how many times can the battery be recharged before it has tso be replaced. Apple does publish a number for their phones (500 complete cycles from 0 charge to 100%) and there is a way to get the count of recharge cycles at any time. I haven't seen that kind of information on other phones, but then I haven't looked very hard for it either. I prefer plug-in recharging rather than wireless recharging.

By the way, don't let the 5G thing influence your buying decisions - while 5G is becoming available, it still isn't everywhere, and 4G LTE is just as good as the initial rollout of 5G. 5G doesn't add anything to the ability of a phone to serve as a telephone - and it will be some time before implementation of 5G will make much of a difference, and even then the impact will be more in terms of video download speed and the ability to connect multiple devices to the internet. 5G has little or nothing to do with how well you can use a phone to call home.

Final thought - our son with the Google Pixel phone chose that phone because he was going to be traveling extensively outside the US for a few years, and needed a phone that would be convenient to use anywhere in the world. He chose Google not so much for the phone as for the terms associated with using Google as his wireless service provider. If you don't plan to travel extensively, his experience won't apply to you.

But having said that, my experience is that while getting wireless access outside the US is going to be quite expensive if you have an AT&T or Verizon account, there are workarounds that can essentially wipe out that cost. Those workarounds are possible because of the enhanced functionality that comes in smart phones. Most hotels outside the US offer free Wifi, and you can also get free access in any McDonalds. Once you can access Wifi, you can use smart phone apps like Facetime (on iOS only) or Google Duo to make video calls that don't cost anything.

And one more thing - if you currently use a 'flip phone' you may be using it only as a telephone, so switching to a smart phone could trigger an additional charge for data service from Verizon. Check your service contract for details.
In red is a definite for sure. The thing is I will not be able to avoid this data and digital age much longer. I will be buying a new truck in 3 years and right now they have so much gizmos and gadgets on them that I do not need but will have to get.
 
In red is a definite for sure. The thing is I will not be able to avoid this data and digital age much longer. I will be buying a new truck in 3 years and right now they have so much gizmos and gadgets on them that I do not need but will have to get.
John

I went through that transition a few years ago, and it proved to not be nearly as bad as I had expected.

Wife and I are on a 'family plan' with AT&T. Previously, we both had 'flip phones' that we used only as dumb phones - we didn't do any data things at all. So in the simplest terms, we had two 'devices'. Both had rudimentary data capability, but we only used them as phones.

Then I upgraded to a smart phone. As an incentive, AT&T offered me a deal on an iPad with the stipulation that it had to be set up to access the internet over the AT&T system. That took us to three 'devices'. But AT&T could offer us a plan that included three devices, unlimited voice service in the US, unlimited text messaging, and 2GB of data per month per device (6GB per month in total) that cost 33% more than we had been paying for two 'devices' - which was a reasonable increment considering that we were going from two devices to three devices. They had plans that offered more data, up to 'unlimited', but the AT&T sales guy suggested starting at the bottom offering to see how much data we actually ended up using.

Since then, I've been tracking our actual monthly data usage and have found that the way we use our phones, we don't need any more than that basic allowance. Smart phones today default to Wifi connections for data transfers if Wifi is available, and it turns out that most of the data transfers we incur are while we are at home and connected to our home Wifi. In fact, we average around 0.5GB of data per billing period across all three devices, and the only times we have used more than that are months when we have been traveling away from home. You may find that you find more things that you want to do on-line using your phone that will drive up your data usage. But the advice from that AT&T sales dude was absolutely correct - start at the minimum offering and only elect to go for more if you find that you actually need more.

The other aspect of this is that you may find that even through you have been using a flip-phone only as a phone, you were actually on a plan that allowed for data transfers because you phone had basic data capability. As a result, switching to a smart phone where you can easily use that data capability won't actually result in an increase in cost from your wireless service provider.
 
In red is a definite for sure. The thing is I will not be able to avoid this data and digital age much longer. I will be buying a new truck in 3 years and right now they have so much gizmos and gadgets on them that I do not need but will have to get.
The nice thing about vehicles is you don't have to buy the new ones that are overloaded with gadgetry. You can always buy used, and you can find some darn good vehicles used that were taken excellent care of.

I refuse to buy a vehicle with all the newfangled, internet connected gadgetry. Everyone I know who has, has regretted it, as it is just that much more stuff to break...and it DOES break, all the time.

A well maintained good ol' mechanical only vehicle with just your basic amenities like power steering will serve you well for decades.
 
Technically, you can still get a flip phone. A coworker has the Samsung Z flip 3 and likes it. My opinion is that It looks too thick to carry in my pocket when it's folded up. How you will carry it is certainly something to consider. The bigger screens are great, but they take up some space and need deep pockets. Overall, I like my Samsung Galaxy note 20. I had the note 9 before that and really liked it. My wife is happy with her iPhone, as are most people I know that use them. Apple limiting to tested and approved apps does keep them more stable, and the iPhone is a pretty easy interface. The Android to me is more customizable. If you stick with a popular brand/model, you will have more options for a protective case, which you will probably want.

Cell phone cameras are at a point where they are all pretty good, but I'm not happy with default depth of field on my Galaxy. I felt that pen/macro pictures were better on the note 9 with a single lens than the new fancy multi lens on the 20. Any of my pics here from the last year or so will be from the Note 20. My friend gets some great pics with her iPhone (12, I think). Anything on the linked page that has "The Salty RN" in the corner was taken with her iPhone. https://www.facebook.com/groups/265524618265030/media

Another consideration is how much data you will use. This is not a consideration when choosing a phone, but will be when choosing a carrier and plan. Switching mobile carriers is easier and faster than switching home phone providers. It will cost you more as a data plan will be required. If you are using wifi most of the time, it's not a big deal, but when you start watching YouTube or streaming music, the data usage will add up fast. You may not use it for much at first, but probably will as you get used to having so much available to you. I have a 2 gig plan (with rollover) and rarely hit the limit.

You should definitely test a few out at any mobile store, Best Buy, etc. before you decide.
 
I got the same letter. but my Samsung 4G # was not in the letter, but my home phone was, I forget what it is called but it is a Verizon that let me keep my old # when I got rid of my land line. The letter said if your cell did not have HD or something like that. I guess I am ok with my Samsung then. The letter gives you the last 4 digits of your cell to be discontinued, they only gave the home phone #.
 
If you want a good phone and you don't want to spend a fortune, look on eBay for an unlocked, refurbished iPhone7 Plus. It has everything you will need and is extremely reliable. I switched to iPhone years ago and found it very easy to learn to use after years of Android phones; would never go back. You can pick one up in the $100-200 range depending mainly on size of the built-in memory. For your needs, you can go with smaller memory, like 32 GB.
 
With the exception of inexpensive it should be easy to find a phone that fits your criteria. Unfortunately a new quality phone now phone is going to set you back anywhere between $800-$1300 USD. Your best best would be getting a newer second hand phone that is unlocked. There are a lot of guys like me that have purchased the latest phone and still have their old phone laying around. I just upgraded my wife and I to new Pixel 6 phones and haven't done anything with our old 5. If you do go to a used phone beware and make sure the phone is unlocked so you don't get taken by a hot phone or something that someone still owes money on.
 
With the exception of inexpensive it should be easy to find a phone that fits your criteria. Unfortunately a new quality phone now phone is going to set you back anywhere between $800-$1300 USD. Your best best would be getting a newer second hand phone that is unlocked. There are a lot of guys like me that have purchased the latest phone and still have their old phone laying around. I just upgraded my wife and I to new Pixel 6 phones and haven't done anything with our old 5. If you do go to a used phone beware and make sure the phone is unlocked so you don't get taken by a hot phone or something that someone still owes money on.
I agree, decide if you want an IPhone or a Samsung then look for a model 2 or 3 years old. You should be around 100 to 200 dollars for one. My mother in law who is 92 and lives with us uses her smart phone all the time. She has mastered it. Got her a Galaxy S9 for 200 dollars and she's a happy camper.
 
I agree, decide if you want an IPhone or a Samsung then look for a model 2 or 3 years old. You should be around 100 to 200 dollars for one. My mother in law who is 92 and lives with us uses her smart phone all the time. She has mastered it. Got her a Galaxy S9 for 200 dollars and she's a happy camper.
Sounds like there is hope for me.:) God bless her.
 
I only know how to work an iPhone. Apple has a few to choose from. Be careful is price is your main goal.....be sure you like what you buy. And watch the return/refund/exchange policies. The small print is real small.
 
You can get the iPhone SE 2nd generation ($399) or order the pending 3rd generations ($429). The 2nd gen has a 12MP camera and is quite affordable considering phone prices these days. That price does fluctuate based on hard drive size for phone. I beleive the camera is the same from the 2nd to 3rd generation.

You can get the newer iPhone 12 and do a payment setup through the provider. They are more expensive but have great photo/video functions and will last you quite a while. Non-digita phoens, like flip phones, are getting hard to come by and are almost phased out.

What I like about the iPhones is their simplicity of use and consistent function between models and generations. That is preferable over the constant and often significant changes of android phones every single release or update. I also strongly recommend you do NOT get a unlocked phone as providers typically don't like those and you will experience issues in getting it up and running based on my previous experiences attempting that.
 
Around here, the days of a "free" phone associated with a contract renewal seem to be gone. We keep phones a long time, but the last time we replaced an ancient phone (about 3 years ago), we got a discount on the new phone. To get the discount, we had to sign up for a payment plan; there was no option about that. Payments for the discounted phone were divided evenly and spread over a 12 month period. If you quit early, then there was a high penalty fee added to the payoff balance. It was an effective lock-in for a year, even though there was no contract. We have an AT&T cell phone family plan.

The other thing I want to say is that @monophoto is spot on with his comments in post #7, above. Read that post carefully, then read it again.

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Everywhere you go, you carry a computer that is more powerful than the ones on the Voyager probes that flew past the outer planets and are now leaving our Solar System. No, I am not thinking of your cellphone. It is the key fob that unlocks your car. :-)
 
My stepson uses Verizon and in his generosity, provides my wife and me with lines on his account... don't know what level his data limits are... I only use the phone for a phone, occasionally the camera and a couple of apps that relate to my hobby business... square, etsy and my bank... the phone is an LG and is 3x6 inches square. forget which version, but have had it about 3 or 4 years now... OS is android. I carry it in a case that clips to my belt. We use Verizon because that's about the only for sure service we get in our area, although according to their websites, Consumer Cellular has service here and a couple of others I forget.... the phone costs me nothing so what ever Ed wants, we get.
He uses his which is a slightly newer version than mine (he dropped his and had to replace it) all the time as to search the web, watch Youtube, videos, etc...
 
We use Verizon because that's about the only for sure service we get in our area, although according to their websites, Consumer Cellular has service here and a couple of others I forget....
There are two kinds of cellular service providers in the US - the primary providers (Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint/T-Mobile), and the virtual providers such as Consumer Cellular, Spectrum, Ting, Google FI, Mint and a bunch of others. The primary providers own and operate the actual physical infrastructure for cellular communications, while the virtual companies lease infrastructure capacity from one or more of the primary providers. The physical coverage of those three networks overlaps over much of the country, but each company has 'deadspots'. And sometimes those deadspots overlap - usually because of either geographic (in mountains) or population issues. And the coverage from each of the companies also varies with the form of service - 5G, LTE, 3G, and voice.

Consumer Cellular uses the AT&T and T-Mobile infrastructure. So if the only cellular provider who has coverage in your area is Verizon, it is unlikely that Consumer Cellular would be a viable alternative.

Here's a link to a very good web site that addresses the relative coverage areas of the various cellular providers - https://www.upphone.com/coverage-map/
 
Will be using same carrier Verizon. Have all services through them so get a bit of a discount. will buy the phone through them also.
 
You can get the iPhone SE 2nd generation ($399) or order the pending 3rd generations ($429). The 2nd gen has a 12MP camera and is quite affordable considering phone prices these days. That price does fluctuate based on hard drive size for phone. I beleive the camera is the same from the 2nd to 3rd generation.

You can get the newer iPhone 12 and do a payment setup through the provider. They are more expensive but have great photo/video functions and will last you quite a while. Non-digita phoens, like flip phones, are getting hard to come by and are almost phased out.

What I like about the iPhones is their simplicity of use and consistent function between models and generations. That is preferable over the constant and often significant changes of android phones every single release or update. I also strongly recommend you do NOT get a unlocked phone as providers typically don't like those and you will experience issues in getting it up and running based on my previous experiences attempting that.
Interesting observation about Android phones. I have had about 6 different S models since I abandoned my Iphone and have only noticed the improvements, and experienced no issues.
Will be using same carrier Verizon. Have all services through them so get a bit of a discount. will buy the phone through them also.
one other thought, if you have a friend or relative that has some cell phone savvy, buy the same brand that he or she has. It is much easier to learn from someone that has the same phone or brand.
 
John; Look for a used phone (unlocked). Phones these days are like cars, they depreciate like crazy! A new one with cost $1000+ but in 2-3 years the same phone will be $300.
 
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