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A few months ago I got a request from a member to trade a box of corian blanks for some of his homemade blanks. I thought sure. I spent $10.95 postage to sent over 300 blanks to this person I still have not received anything in return. The first couple of times I contacted him he said he was in the process of making them and after a while I got no response.
99.9% of the time people are honest and have full intention of following through with a trade. I am a very trusting person.
I am still, after 3-4-5 months hoping he will send something for the, so far, one sided trade.
Maybe this thread will encourage him to do so.
No hard feelings.
Alice
 
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I think that's a good way to encourage this person. Of all the transactions I've done on here only one has been lousy. Maybe if the person doesn't respond you could send a message to Jeff, the forum moderator and see if he has suggestions, guidelines as to approaching it. I think we would all like to know who it is, in case we too have been part of a one-sided trade from the same person. Check with Jeff.

MartinPens

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Alice, Martin has good advice. I too, believe you handled this in the most gracious manner possible. Possibly Jeff could start a very small list of 'problem' members to trade or do business with. When I get involved in a trade, I try to include a note to the recipient requesting them to decide if they received value for the trade, if not let me know what it will take to be even. So far, none have requested additional. Guess I am just lucky. Alice, I hope this can be resolved in a manner to your liking.
Charles
 
Having been stiffed myself in a pen swap awhile ago - I made 2 pens and received none - I'm all for a wall of shame with the caveat that the person has the opportunity to defend themselves. I did report this member to the activities manager at the time who said the member would be banned from future activities, but still look for his name on any lists.
 
Alice, is this member still active on the forum? I wonder if there is some valid reason for the lack of response. Hope this works out for you as well.
 
Alice... Although the IAP has no 'power' to help you with this, I do know that Mike (our activities director) has been tracking people that don't follow through so that they don't cause others grief with IAP activities... I would suggest you send him this info (via PM to mbroberg) and at least let him know.
 
Bruce, I'm in the same boat, last PITH I got stiffed. the person is still around, and I too reported it to Mike. 99.7% of the time trade go great. But there's that awful.3%
 
I agree there should be a wall of shame ... I personally would like to know .Who it is safe to order from or trade with. I know some can afford to take a hit to their pocketbooks. But we should not have to. And to allow these people to remain unknown makes it easy for them to do this to new victims. My .01 worth. Thank you in advance.

Dave Griffee
 
I haven't done any trades as of yet but I would be interested in who not to trade or buy from. So far everyone I have bought from has been incredible. It is a shame a few bad apples spoil everything. I work with Teenagers in Amigos de las Americas and we try to instill in them that honor and integrety is of the upmost importance and then to hear adults doing this......well it is a sad comment on our society.
 
I realize that there are many liberal thinking folks on this forum that normally would bend over backwards WAY more than I ever would in instances like this but it's time we stop being silent victoms and say enough is enough, not everyone deserves a dozen chances to do the right thing. WHy should a decent person like Alice have to go through this nonsense? Here is my feeling on the subject.

I think a "STICKY" thread needs to be in place in the classified forums as well as the casual converstation forum. When a person such as described above is mentioned to a moderator, then the moderator could notify them and demand immediate action or to at least hear their side of the story. If satisfied that their name warrants being added to an "Unsavory individuals with low moral character" list, then so be it! The crooks hanging around the forum are not going to identify themselves, it's up to us to help them out.

I think it's high time that these characters are no longer allowed to prey on members with, up until now, total impunity!

Go get 'em moderator team, start 2011 off with a good idea!
 
It is as always, easy to call for harsh measures, however we do not know the situation of the other half. Life is full on unpleasant occurrences and we don't know if the other member(s) simply has had to many hardships and is embarrassed to step up and finish the deal or if that member is simply a cheat. Better to report it to the moderators and let them deal with the situation than to publicly black list a member that has fallen down beyond their ability to recover. Vendors should be dealt with more harshly as to stop them from praying on th e membership.
I know that I, as well as many member would step up to replace the blanks to Alice to lessen her losses. We stand together. I dont have home brew blanks but I would forward a selction of my best without regrets if it would help.

Mike
 
People need to stop being so nice and letting things go. Oh it did not cost me that much .... Well it adds up when they take from you... from the next ... from the next... I am sure you get my point. I think we have wonderful leadership here and I trust them to do what they feel is right. And you people who take and take and take... How can you sleep knowing you are stealing from people who can not afford it... What if it was you , your kids or your mom who was a victim from someone like you . Stop please.
 
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I think that the predominant trend in this board is generousity and trustworthyness. If a few individuals are not meeting that expectation, then they are indeed barred from participating in any further contests and events.

But posting a list isn't going to do anything except focus on the negative instances that are in the VAST minority - with the collateral damage being that newbies might be afraid to try out some of the contests and events like PITH.

If you were stiffed on a PITH or something similar, PM Mike. He'll make sure that the person doesn't participate in other activities until they've squared up...and there are always those willing to step in and send an extra pen or the like to ensure that you don't miss out on the fun.

All that being said, Alice, if you PM me the name in question, I'll see if I can get in contact with the individual and see if we can get a dialogue going that way.

Andrew
 
mredburn said:
I know that I, as well as many member would step up to replace the blanks to Alice to lessen her losses. We stand together. I dont have home brew blanks but I would forward a selction of my best without regrets if it would help.

Mike
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I only have 1 corian blank (mint green) but it is yours if you want it Alice! :biggrin:
 
Not trying to sound negative. But how does that help stop them from hurting people on trades and things that are not under the realm of group activities? What if after an investigation then place them on a list of people we should not deal with. That way they have a chance to tell their side and make things right first.... then if the fail than then black list openly?
 
Texatdurango said:
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Go get 'em moderator team, start 2011 off with a good idea!
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FYI - George... This is an item that would have to be proposed and rules implemented by Jeff. This would be a new policy and no matter if the idea is good or bad, until its put into place by Jeff, there isn't much that the moderator team can do here.

Dean Charlier
Assistant Moderator
 
maxwell_smart007 said:
I think that the predominant trend in this board is generousity and trustworthyness.....
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Not to make a big deal over it but I think that is exactly why some people are getting away with being scroundrels, they know they can get away with it!

Remember that little Mexican village in the movie "The Magnificant Seven"? The outlaw kept coming back year after year and stealing everything they had because........ he knew he could, and they would never do anything about it! Where's Charles Bronson and Yule Brenner when you need them! :biggrin:
 
At the moment I would consider myself one of those people. I have to send pen blanks to a couple of members who done trades with me maybe 2 months ago. I started having physio on my back around then and still go every fortnight. It is only now I am getting around to it as I have just started back in work after being laid off for a short time. I have sent PM,s to all involved, I think and if there is a member who I have neglected please let me know.
 
alphageek said:
Texatdurango said:
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Go get 'em moderator team, start 2011 off with a good idea!
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FYI - George... This is an item that would have to be proposed and rules implemented by Jeff. This would be a new policy and no matter if the idea is good or bad, until its put into place by Jeff, there isn't much that the moderator team can do here.

Dean Charlier
Assistant Moderator
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OK........... then go talk with Jeff!

I just mentioned you guys since I knew it would have to be handled by the forum leadership.
 
keithkarl2007 said:
At the moment I would consider myself one of those people. I have to send pen blanks to a couple of members who done trades with me maybe 2 months ago. I started having physio on my back around then and still go every fortnight. It is only now I am getting around to it as I have just started back in work after being laid off for a short time. I have sent PM,s to all involved, I think and if there is a member who I have neglected please let me know.
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For what it's worth ... I would say you are NOT one of 'them' as you have notified all parties and there were uncontrolable circumstances.

AK
 
kinggabby said:
Not trying to sound negative. But how does that help stop them from hurting people on trades and things that are not under the realm of group activities? What if after an investigation then place them on a list of people we should not deal with. That way they have a chance to tell their side and make things right first.... then if the fail than then black list openly?
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Mbroberg (Mike) is the Activities Manager for all of a month now (he was "interim", but did not want to change much with that title).

So, Mike has been leading the Bash through his tenure, to this point. He has also been a strong proponent of completing member profiles to make each person a little less "anonymous".

Having worked closely with Mike for the past month, I can say I have great admiration and respect for him. (He stepped into the position previously occupied by my good friend, Cav, so he had BIG shoes to fill, in my esteem--he has done so!)

So, topics like this are a healthy directive. Now, send Mike a PM and see what happens. I believe you will find you have no more staunch supporter than Mike. Give him a little time to find an equitable way to handle these situations.

"All I am saying, is give peac,,uh... MIKE a chance!!"
 
Andrew (Maxwell_Smart007),
On occasion, negative reinforcement is a viable and constructive option.

We seem to let it be a way of life against vendors here on many occasoiins, so why should not a person be able to "call out" a fellow member here, when the same circumstance arise?

George, you and I agree whole-heartedly on this one. Some of the other forums I belong to would ban people if there was not an acceptable (not even good) reason why a trade or interaction did not occur. And a couple of those forums, the people can shoot pretty damn good too!!
 
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kinggabby said:
Not trying to sound negative. But how does that help stop them from hurting people on trades and things that are not under the realm of group activities? What if after an investigation then place them on a list of people we should not deal with. That way they have a chance to tell their side and make things right first.... then if the fail than then black list openly?
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I have to agree with Dave on this. Baring people from participating in group activities does nothing to stop what Alice went through and what others have silently encountered. This is a rare occurrence on IAP but it does happen, and it probably happens much more than we all know. We are talking about transactions on the IAP outside the jurisdiction of the activities manager.

I do not think it should be the job of the moderators to police these people. I do think that the members of IAP are more than capable of policing these people. Like Mike R. said earlier, situations change for people in a blink of an eye, and there may be good reason they have not lived up to their part of the agreement. That of course would not excuse failing to be up from with the person you have the agreement with.

Anything that is considered would have to approved by Jeff.
 
JerrySambrook said:
Andrew (Maxwell_Smart007),
On occasion, negative reinforcement is a viable and constructive option.

We seem to let it be a way of life against vendors here on many occasoiins, so why should not a person be able to "call out" a fellow member here, when the same circumstance arise?
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Jerry, my friend, you know not everybody is as "even-handed" as you (oh most moderated member:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:). If we "call out" people on the forum, the result will be a separation of the membership into "camp A" and "Camp B", and the great fight ensues!!

Then, about four days later, the "dead horse" cartoon arrives and the sides go back to their daily jobs---laying in wait for the next opportunity to "get that no good SOB (depending on whether you were camp A or B, it could be SOA)"

Let's TRY to avoid that----as Alice has done here, thank you for the very appropriate and genteel approach, Alice!!

(but do let Mike know who is the offender, please)
 
Well,
thanks everyone for your responses. I figured they would be very diverse.
I will have to check if the person is still active. I kept thinking that something was wrong to prevent them from sending the trade, like an illness or such. If this person is still active they will see this and hopefully fulfill the trade. This group overall has been wonderful and I would like to avoid a "wall of shame" although if things are not resolved probably letting Jeff know so it doesn't happen in the future might be a good thing.
It really is not the money. It is the priciple( is that spelled right?)
I will sit tight and hopefully will receive something now with this reminder and encouragement from you all.
I'll let everyone know what happens.
Thanks Alice
 
Good luck with it Alice. I traded stuff with RAdams and never received anything back. He is banned now so there is no way to contact him. I hope whoever it was that mistreated you is still active.
 
ed4copies said:
.......Jerry, my friend, you know not everybody is as "even-handed" as you (oh most moderated member:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:). If we "call out" people on the forum, the result will be a separation of the membership into "camp A" and "Camp B", and the great fight ensues!! .....
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Uh.... Ed.... hate to tell you but there already is a seperation! You didn't know that? :eek:

Actually the best I can figure out, there at at least eight camps with some members belonging to more than one camp! :biggrin:
 
Alice, sorry that you had the misfortune to come across one of the many unscrupulous people in this world.

I too believe there should be a list.
This would only help prevent any future occurences with these individuals and save this type of hassle. If a person realizes the concequenses, perhaps it may deter this kind of activity.

Maybe new members should be required to have a certain number of substantial (not... I agree, +1, or that kind of crap) posts before being allowed to participate in activities. And maybe before being approved to be a new member... your real information would be part of the sign up process and Jeff would have access to these people. Jeff has my information and he is the only person that should need it. I know there are those that like to bring that up.
I'm just saying... make membership more valuable. If a person has to earn a membership... they might respect it.


Alice, I don't have any cast blanks on hand right now, but if you would like a box, I can get some supplies and cast them for you.
 
Before everyone starts feeling sorry for the scumbags... er, I mean... innocent victims who prey on their fellow members, I think that if a system was instituted where members who were cheated or scammed could contact a forum representative and let THEM figure out if this was a one time mistake due to caugh or common cold, or if there was a pattern of problems with a member.

I just don't understand the problem with identifying the bad guys, what's the shame in that? Their name wouldn't be on a wanted posted if they didn't do something bad to begin with! I would sleep a lot better knowing that the unsavory folks walking amongst us were known to the membership rather than have them cheat yet another hapless victim tomorrow!
 
In all of this there is an implicit trust involved , By far the greatest number of members are honorable and more than generous within their means . That said if some are not I would prefer to know, and thus protect myself from losses of any kind ,rather than suspecting all and everybody simply from lack of information. If the wrong thing has been done by anybody at all towards other members then that needs to be addressed by the "Admins" by whatever means is available to them , or as they see fit .If any action were to be undertaken such as an IP ban etc ,it is also in the interests of the fraternity to make known the details and outcomes to other such sites and forums , for instance no good to ban if that is the case, so the offender can just move to a new pasture :) In this particular case the normal anonymity of the net does not exist for this person as an address and real name has been exchanged ,someone may live quite close lol. Cheers ~ John
 
Texatdurango said:
ed4copies said:
.......Jerry, my friend, you know not everybody is as "even-handed" as you (oh most moderated member:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:). If we "call out" people on the forum, the result will be a separation of the membership into "camp A" and "Camp B", and the great fight ensues!! .....
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Uh.... Ed.... hate to tell you but there already is a seperation! You didn't know that? :eek:

Actually the best I can figure out, there at at least eight camps with some members belonging to more than one camp! :biggrin:
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There are EIGHT?? Heck I did not get an invite to join any of them. :mad::wink:

Guess I'm an army of one. :frown:
 
Pith Happenings

I participated in the PITH this year made contact with my person and even made the pen. Fella got busy and never did get a chance to exchange pens. He did make contact with me to let me know he was busy but an exchange never took place so I did not report him to the leader of the PITH.

I think though if you do trade items and you send the goods you should have something sent back to you to complete the deal. Just my opinion here but business is business you do not come through with something that was suppose to be done you should be called out. I think this is the only way to deal with issues. It sound to me like this individual took the proper steps to solve the problem amongst themselves but the good person had to deal with the consequences. In my book that is a bad deal and you should be dealt with accordingly. Again this is just my opinion and I have never had a bad deal go on so far with any of my IAP purchases or trades.

We have a great website here with a great group of people and the mods do an excellent job especially as volunteers. I respect everyones opinions on this website and I even respect the guy who I was suppose to PITH with even though we never exchanged. He made contact with me and told me he was just to busy.

Everyone here is awesome but a few bad apples should not bring us all against each other.

Again just my opinion fire at will if need be but I will still respect ya even if you disagree with me.

Jesse
 
hunter-27 said:
Texatdurango said:
ed4copies said:
.......Jerry, my friend, you know not everybody is as "even-handed" as you (oh most moderated member:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:). If we "call out" people on the forum, the result will be a separation of the membership into "camp A" and "Camp B", and the great fight ensues!! .....
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Uh.... Ed.... hate to tell you but there already is a seperation! You didn't know that? :eek:

Actually the best I can figure out, there at at least eight camps with some members belonging to more than one camp! :biggrin:
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There are EIGHT?? Heck I did not get an invite to join any of them. :mad::wink:

Guess I'm an army of one. :frown:
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Don't feel like the Lonesome Dove! Heck, I can't even count that high.
Charles
 
I have to agree that a list would be good.
If there's a legitimate reason for a delay of a trade/order that can't be maintained then they wouldnt be on the list, and if there is a legitimate reason then why wouldn't a vendor/trader be in contact with there customer anyway, unless there unscrupulous!!

I've been done many trades and bought if many members and only been stiffed once! That really left a bitter taste in the mouth as this memener had done many successful sales with me before. Then took my money and disappeared, along with other members cash! But apparently he had dine it before but I didn't know this till after I had been caught out!

I feel if an order/trade can't be maintained or there's a delay, a PM or an email goes a long way! If people understand a reason then there normally good to wait. But a member whose sole intention is to rip off or just take and not give, they should be named and shamed!!

The good ones are named, so why not the bad!!

Phil
 
Texatdurango said:
the best I can figure out, there at at least eight camps with some members belonging to more than one camp! :biggrin:
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Let me guess....:biggrin:

1. Narcissists
2. Demi-Gods
3. Wannabe Moderators
4. Resident Idiots
5. Over-rated Member/vendors
6. Egomaniacs
7. Scum and Crooks
8. General memberships

and maybe

9. All of the above

LOL, I don't mind admitting I'm an 8 with a bit of 6 thrown in for good measure. Mmmm, ok, add a smidgen of 4 as well.:biggrin:
 
hunter-27 said:
Texatdurango said:
ed4copies said:
.......Jerry, my friend, you know not everybody is as "even-handed" as you (oh most moderated member:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:). If we "call out" people on the forum, the result will be a separation of the membership into "camp A" and "Camp B", and the great fight ensues!! .....
Click to expand...

Uh.... Ed.... hate to tell you but there already is a seperation! You didn't know that? :eek:

Actually the best I can figure out, there at at least eight camps with some members belonging to more than one camp! :biggrin:
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There are EIGHT?? Heck I did not get an invite to join any of them. :mad::wink:

Guess I'm an army of one. :frown:
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skiprat said:
Texatdurango said:
the best I can figure out, there at at least eight camps with some members belonging to more than one camp! :biggrin:
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Let me guess....:biggrin:

1. Narcissists
2. Demi-Gods
3. Wannabe Moderators
4. Resident Idiots
5. Over-rated Member/vendors
6. Egomaniacs
7. Scum and Crooks
8. General memberships

and maybe

9. All of the above

LOL, I don't mind admitting I'm an 8 with a bit of 6 thrown in for good measure. Mmmm, ok, add a smidgen of 4 as well.:biggrin:
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Ok maybe I was invited to group #4 and just did not realize it.:eek:
 
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