navycop
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Heard on a talk radioshow about this author. He wrote this UFO www.amazon.com/UFOs-Wartime-What-They-Didnt/dp/0425240118. He was retelling stories of people seeing UFOs in WWl, WWll and Vietnam. I just wondered if any of you saw any.
Got a question for you old time military guys
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shadetree_1
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Did we see things? Yes I think so, but the jungle plays tricks on you, and when you're scared to death and afraid somebody is going to hear you take your next breath and target you, who knows for sure, did I really see what I thought I saw? Or am I just too scared to see straight? God only knows. Was that really a UFO? To be honest, even today I really don't know!
nativewooder
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Whether you hear it on the radio or see it on television or the internet, remember, someone is trying to justify their job. It doesn't matter whether it is real or not. It is a form of entertainment.:tongue:
Dudley Young
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I spent 18 out of y 22 years in the Navy at sea. Saw a lot UFloatingO"s
oldstoker
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In a book titled Voyages to Vietnam, this story unfolds about UFOs
In June 1968 the Guided Missile Destroyer HMAS Hobart was hit by Sparrow missiles killing 2 sailors. During US investigations, the pilot of the Phantom F-4 claims that he fired at what he thought was an enemy helicopter.
Between 1960 to 1970 General George S. Brown, Commander of the US Air Force and Deputy Commander for Air Operations, Military Assisstance Command Vietnam, says that, "UFOs plagued us in Vietnam." "They weren't called UFOs, they were called enemy helicopters, and they were only seen at night and they were only seen in certain places." And in the course of this, an Australian Destroyer (HMAS Hobart) took a hit....there was no enemy at all involved but we alays reacted. Always after dark.
I was also told by a radio operator that when the Hobart got hit, the US pilot involved was firing at a UFO, but instead of hitting it, the missiles were deflected off it and resulted in hitting the Hobart. (may have had a force shield up?)
In June 1968 the Guided Missile Destroyer HMAS Hobart was hit by Sparrow missiles killing 2 sailors. During US investigations, the pilot of the Phantom F-4 claims that he fired at what he thought was an enemy helicopter.
Between 1960 to 1970 General George S. Brown, Commander of the US Air Force and Deputy Commander for Air Operations, Military Assisstance Command Vietnam, says that, "UFOs plagued us in Vietnam." "They weren't called UFOs, they were called enemy helicopters, and they were only seen at night and they were only seen in certain places." And in the course of this, an Australian Destroyer (HMAS Hobart) took a hit....there was no enemy at all involved but we alays reacted. Always after dark.
I was also told by a radio operator that when the Hobart got hit, the US pilot involved was firing at a UFO, but instead of hitting it, the missiles were deflected off it and resulted in hitting the Hobart. (may have had a force shield up?)
terryf
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what tickles me pink most of the time is that UFO sighting are almost exclusively seen in the good ol US of A and almost nowhere else?
The other thing I find hilarious is all the exceptional photographs that have been taken to date. With all the sightings you'd have thought at least ONE decent photograph would have been published!
Secrecy bill? All those with decent shots were killed or jailed or worse...........kidnapped by aliens to be probed :O
The other thing I find hilarious is all the exceptional photographs that have been taken to date. With all the sightings you'd have thought at least ONE decent photograph would have been published!
Secrecy bill? All those with decent shots were killed or jailed or worse...........kidnapped by aliens to be probed :O
Not True
That just ain't true Terry, UFO's are reported world wide, including outer space. There is a long list of countries where UFO's have been reported in the 20th and 21st centuries. I am not saying anything about how real they are or what they are but they are seen all over.
That just ain't true Terry, UFO's are reported world wide, including outer space. There is a long list of countries where UFO's have been reported in the 20th and 21st centuries. I am not saying anything about how real they are or what they are but they are seen all over.
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Reports....
I never saw a UFO nor did anyone on my ship ever claim to. Having said that we did track a Radar target one time that flew much faster than any air plane at the time should have even approached. We tracked it reported it's course and speed and wondered who was able to make a plane that fast.
terryf
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Smitty, Im not saying only in the USA but when one looks at this list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_sightings the majority are in the USA :tongue:
Check the last 35/40 years
Prior to the middle 70's what you say is true. Since then not so. there are more reported in the USA then elsewhere but by no means a majority. Since 1975 about 38 sightings reported 15 from the USA. Prior to then it was probably affected somewhat by better communications in the USA than much of the rest of the world and a more open news media than much of the world.
I was on a special secret project during Vietnam while stationed at FT Hood. The Army was testing a drone type aircraft. Our mission was to have troops move on the ground and see if the drone could detect us. We would see it fly overhead real slow, looked just like a UFO if we didn't know what it was already. Me and another guy was left to guard it at night. We got curious and in the early morning hours, went to the hanger where it was. We peeked in and saw what looked like a lunar landing module, with spotlights shining on it. It was my Twilight Zone moment for sure!
PTsideshow
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Seen some strange things in the sky in an area over WVa. Va, and Maryland while stationed at a navy radio station in WVa that is listed in a book called Under Ground Bases and Tunnels, what is the government trying to hide? by Richard Sauder, PhD
ISBN 0-9644979-0-5 ©1995
Interesting read
There also was a section of the naval observatory civil workers. I drove a old style bread/UPS van with a small dish antenna on top with civies inside the back doing stuff. I was told were to drive and when to stop by sound powered phone. Was never told what they were doing and it was always at the last minute kind of thing.
I was always told that I didn't need to know, and nobody would say they ever saw the truck. This was in the PC days early 70's before computers. it was located in the national radio signal free zone. Near The National Radio Astronomy Observatory NRAO operates the Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope (GBT), the world's largest fully steerable single aperture antenna. Greenbank WVa
The base is in the book but they have a whole lot of different information than I did. As the place was built as a place for the president and certain people to go to but then some genius figured out that it was to far away to get to safely. It was closer to DC than the Greenbrier Inn(it has been on cable shows) were the unindited co-conspirators from Washington DC were supposed to go. There where 10 stories below ground and some were alarmed and very secure.
No one was allowed to go down the stairs from the operations levels for the sparkies. The couple of the new seaman that did and they were dealt with and transferred, faster than I could drive them back to the navradsta in Maryland.
Being a electricians mate, did go down with the civilian to do maintenance on the sump pumps, had numerous pump rooms to pump up the water from about 130 feet below the ground. Never went into any rooms or through doors other than the pump rooms the civilians said these were the only ones unlocked and open. The local civilians that worked at the base, said they had no curiosity as to who what or were was going on there!
I could tell ya more but I would be making it up :biggrin:
When I was on sea duty we did chase and track on sonar things in and under the water that did things and @ speeds and maneuvers that things alive or otherwise aren't supposed to do. After one fun night somebody asked the captain if he could tell home about it. This was on a old WWII 3 digit destroyer . They made an announcement that you could call it what and say what you wanted. Smart move as it was forgotten in a day or so, till the next time. After a day or so the word in the ships paper would be whale chasing again.
Boy them were some damn fast whales!!:alien: Never seen anything other than blipps on the screens when I would be called to sonar to make sure the electrics were working or one time strange lights in the water pacing the ships moves.
I make no claims as to what or who, other than the above book was a interesting read.
:clown:
ISBN 0-9644979-0-5 ©1995
Interesting read
There also was a section of the naval observatory civil workers. I drove a old style bread/UPS van with a small dish antenna on top with civies inside the back doing stuff. I was told were to drive and when to stop by sound powered phone. Was never told what they were doing and it was always at the last minute kind of thing.
I was always told that I didn't need to know, and nobody would say they ever saw the truck. This was in the PC days early 70's before computers. it was located in the national radio signal free zone. Near The National Radio Astronomy Observatory NRAO operates the Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope (GBT), the world's largest fully steerable single aperture antenna. Greenbank WVa
The base is in the book but they have a whole lot of different information than I did. As the place was built as a place for the president and certain people to go to but then some genius figured out that it was to far away to get to safely. It was closer to DC than the Greenbrier Inn(it has been on cable shows) were the unindited co-conspirators from Washington DC were supposed to go. There where 10 stories below ground and some were alarmed and very secure.
No one was allowed to go down the stairs from the operations levels for the sparkies. The couple of the new seaman that did and they were dealt with and transferred, faster than I could drive them back to the navradsta in Maryland.
Being a electricians mate, did go down with the civilian to do maintenance on the sump pumps, had numerous pump rooms to pump up the water from about 130 feet below the ground. Never went into any rooms or through doors other than the pump rooms the civilians said these were the only ones unlocked and open. The local civilians that worked at the base, said they had no curiosity as to who what or were was going on there!
I could tell ya more but I would be making it up :biggrin:
When I was on sea duty we did chase and track on sonar things in and under the water that did things and @ speeds and maneuvers that things alive or otherwise aren't supposed to do. After one fun night somebody asked the captain if he could tell home about it. This was on a old WWII 3 digit destroyer . They made an announcement that you could call it what and say what you wanted. Smart move as it was forgotten in a day or so, till the next time. After a day or so the word in the ships paper would be whale chasing again.
Boy them were some damn fast whales!!:alien: Never seen anything other than blipps on the screens when I would be called to sonar to make sure the electrics were working or one time strange lights in the water pacing the ships moves.
I make no claims as to what or who, other than the above book was a interesting read.
:clown:
terryf
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HMMMM
I think you already know this but 40% is a plurality not a majority Terry - majority is more than half.
I think you already know this but 40% is a plurality not a majority Terry - majority is more than half.
terryf
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how about an Oxford English Dicitonary definition of majority??
.....but I'm going to gracefully bow out now as I think we're hijacking the thread with trivialities to be honest - it was fun Leroy, thanks :biggrin:
.....but I'm going to gracefully bow out now as I think we're hijacking the thread with trivialities to be honest - it was fun Leroy, thanks :biggrin:
Flaturner
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Just between me, Terry, and Smitty -- you are both right (sort of). By the definition in the Oxford Dictionary of English, majority does not have to be more than half if you are talking about a choice among three or more options. However, here we have an "A or B" choice (in U.S. or not in U. S.) which necessitates a majority being over half.
English vs American
separated by a common language.
On the original question - UFO's were common and called "Foo fighters" that expression (Foo) came from a comic strip named Gasoline Alley - I'm not sure what it meant but I do remember seeing it in the strip.
English vs American English also comes into play - nations
separated by a common language.
On the original question - UFO's were common and called "Foo fighters" that expression (Foo) came from a comic strip named Gasoline Alley - I'm not sure what it meant but I do remember seeing it in the strip.
jimmyheikes
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I saw a lot of things during my 3 tours in Country but UFOs weren't one of them..............then again I didn't look up to the sky very often often.:biggrin:
butchf18a
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not since the mother ship dropped me off
steamshovel
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There is an old saying( you have to see it to believe it ) well there is another saying ( you have to believe to see it )
ctubbs
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Just a few years back, in '66, we had set up a telecscope at the college I was attending. I was lucky enough to be chosen one of the lab assistants. One morning about 02:00 I was called to the observatory to verify a UFO siting by the instructor. He got me out of bed for this. One of the other assistants arrived with me and we took a look at this UFO. Nope, not one, just Jupiter rising through the thick air. A couple of hours later we could even see the Red Spot.
Do other thinking beings exist in this universe? I can find no reason to believe otherwise, but if they are smart enough to travel the distances to get here, why would they? We're idiots, take a perfectly wonderful world and mess it up like we have.
Charles
Do other thinking beings exist in this universe? I can find no reason to believe otherwise, but if they are smart enough to travel the distances to get here, why would they? We're idiots, take a perfectly wonderful world and mess it up like we have.
Charles
bastallard
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This is someone who knows a lot about UFOs, his book convinced me.
Philip J. Corso (May 22, 1915 – July 16, 1998) was an American Army officer.
He served in the United States Army from February 23, 1942, to March 1, 1963,[1] and earned the rank of Lieutenant Colonel.
Corso published The Day After Roswell, about how he was involved in the research of alleged extraterrestrial technology recovered from the 1947 Roswell UFO Incident. On July 23, 1997, he was a guest on the popular late night radio show, Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell where he spoke live about his Roswell story. This interview was rebroadcast by Coast to Coast AM on July 3, 2010.
Philip J. Corso (May 22, 1915 – July 16, 1998) was an American Army officer.
He served in the United States Army from February 23, 1942, to March 1, 1963,[1] and earned the rank of Lieutenant Colonel.
Corso published The Day After Roswell, about how he was involved in the research of alleged extraterrestrial technology recovered from the 1947 Roswell UFO Incident. On July 23, 1997, he was a guest on the popular late night radio show, Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell where he spoke live about his Roswell story. This interview was rebroadcast by Coast to Coast AM on July 3, 2010.
Why do things
Same reason a hound dog licks his private parts Charles ----"Because they Can"
Hmmmmm
I believe it is within reason to believe that there could be other intelligent life in the Universe. Contrary to what most people think, I don't believe they need to be "super intelligent" or thousands of years more advanced to get here.
They would really only need to have solved one major problem that we haven't. How to travel great distances in short periods of time and return home.
I personally have no idea if a solution to that problem even exists but if one does, there is no reason to believe that someone somewhere has not hit on that solution. Beyond that they would not have to be any more intelligent or advanced than we are.
I believe it is within reason to believe that there could be other intelligent life in the Universe. Contrary to what most people think, I don't believe they need to be "super intelligent" or thousands of years more advanced to get here.
They would really only need to have solved one major problem that we haven't. How to travel great distances in short periods of time and return home.
I personally have no idea if a solution to that problem even exists but if one does, there is no reason to believe that someone somewhere has not hit on that solution. Beyond that they would not have to be any more intelligent or advanced than we are.
Smitty!!! It ain't 2012 yet! Chill out, dude! Be patient:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: Happy New Year Brother!
ctubbs
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Smitty I think it my have been Mr. Hinline (I know I spelled that great SF writer's name wrong) that stated any technology far enough advanced beyond the knowledge of a people is magic. Oh, yes, Smitty, I fully there are many other intelligent beings beyond our atmosphere. The main reason we have not solved that problem is because we believe it to be impossible. Anything is only impossible because no one has yet found a way around it yet. I simply can not believe that God or whatever entity one chooses to believe in would go to all the trouble to create this universe and only put one thinking group of beings in the whole thing.
OOPS! I am getting way close to being moded again. I'll shut up for a bit.
Charles
OOPS! I am getting way close to being moded again. I'll shut up for a bit.
Charles
cwolfs69
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yep we frequently saw UFOs i now over the jungle. but most of them exploded when they got near the ground.
seriously as Joe mentioned, we did on occasion see things we could not identify, but the thickness of the jungle despite agent orange, so many aircraft without id and on radio silence, many that "did not exist" and such, who knows whether we actually saw anything or not.
SDB777
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I just want to know why UFO's land and talk to folks with two teeth in their heads while doing anal exams?
Scott (got all my teeth, no UFO's here) B
Scott (got all my teeth, no UFO's here) B
cwolfs69
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more teeth would be in the way.
Mostly hoaxes
Most "Close encounters of the third kind" are proven to be hoaxes of one sort or another - but there are a few that can't be proven to be such. That does not mean they aren't hoaxes, it just means that they could be true.
It is the same with most sightings - about 90 or more per cent of them can be determined to be of some natural or man made phenomena. The rest are unexplained. Some of them based on the observer(s) and circumstances seem to be something real and physical that at least looks like some sort of flying craft. I have personally observed lights (where I knew what they were) playing tricks in the night sky so the ones that are just lights don't impress me much. Some of the others are very convincing...like both radar and visual observation....pretty hard to say nothing was there.
Most "Close encounters of the third kind" are proven to be hoaxes of one sort or another - but there are a few that can't be proven to be such. That does not mean they aren't hoaxes, it just means that they could be true.
It is the same with most sightings - about 90 or more per cent of them can be determined to be of some natural or man made phenomena. The rest are unexplained. Some of them based on the observer(s) and circumstances seem to be something real and physical that at least looks like some sort of flying craft. I have personally observed lights (where I knew what they were) playing tricks in the night sky so the ones that are just lights don't impress me much. Some of the others are very convincing...like both radar and visual observation....pretty hard to say nothing was there.