CA Finish?

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nightowl

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I tried my first CA finish last night and it pretty much sucked. I don't know if I messed with it too long or what. I put 5 or six drops of medium CA on a paper towel and made one pass down and one back up. Then I put about the same amount,( maybe a little more ) of BLO on a paper towel and repeated the procedure. It gobbed up on me in the beads that I had turned. I have watched the videos and read most of the articles here in he Library and thought I had it licked. In your experiences do you think it was too much Ca, too much BLO, or both. I really like the idea, but need to figure out what I was doing wrong. It takes a long time to sand back down to wood when you mess up. Thanks for the help.
 
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Don't sand it off. Use a scraper or a light cut with your skew.

Too much boiled linseed oil and not soon enough after the CA. If you want to put the boiled linseed oil on top of the CA, then put them both on the paper towel so you don't have to wait for the oil after the CA is applied, but can follow with the oil immediately.

Maybe the lathe was spinning too fast.

AS Russ and I have said over and over, the CA finish should not be a difficult finish to apply. Pick one of the tutorials and follow the instructions. They all work but picking some parts of one and other parts of another may not work. Sometimes, too much info may not be the best.

Keep at it. I will happen and you will wonder how you made it so difficult. Good luck.
Do a good turn daily!
Don

Originally posted by nightowl

I tried my first CA finish last night and it pretty much sucked. I don't know if I messed with it too long or what. I put 5 or six drops of medium CA on a paper towel and made one pass down and one back up. Then I put about the same amount,( maybe a little more ) of BLO on a paper towel and repeated the procedure. It gobbed up on me in the beads that I had turned. I have watched the videos and read most of the articles here in he Library and thought I had it licked. In your experiences do you think it was too much Ca, too much BLO, or both. I really like the idea, but need to figure out what I was doing wrong. It takes a long time to sand back down to wood when you mess up. Thanks for the help.
 
David,
Timing is really important. Conditions in the shop will affect the procedure too. Humidity, temps etc.
I use the reverse method you described. BLO on the towel, lay towel on blank, while moving back and forth, apply several drops of CA, wipe back and forth until you smell the CA curing, wipe clean. I believe I used Russ Fairfeild's video tutorial. It's in the library too.
It seems to work well for me. At first I used the CA only method. That method is very finicky. In my opinion, "some" sort of lubricant is very helpfull.
It took me a while to figure out both systems, (if you can call it figures out). I still have occasional problems myself. Of course, this whole hobby is just one big learning experience.
Good luck.
 
Better to practice on some turned scrap pieces that you have turned to round on your lathe.[8D]

Practice makes perfect, unless you go crazy first! lol [xx(]
 
Originally posted by stevers

At first I used the CA only method. That method is very finicky. In my opinion, "some" sort of lubricant is very helpfull.

I am of the exact opposite opinion. I never could get the hang of the BLO method so I tried straight CA and it all clicked for me.
Don gave you the best advice. Keep trying and don't make it so difficult.
 
I have used CA alone for quite a while and am convinved that most problems result from using too much CA.
That said, I tried the BLO/CA method and used 2 drops of BLO on a paper towel and "burned it in" at highest speed. I then used one drop of CA using the same piece of paper towel. I am now a convert to this method.I believe that I get a smoother finish.

Larry
 
Hello !

Doe Im not at all expert on CA finish (but plan to be ) I would recommend you check YOUTUBE for fast and easy CA/BLO finish (link is also somewhere in FINISHING forum). I use it when I wish a quick finish. After 3 coats of BLO and thich CA by this method I get quite dirt-resistable finish. Doe I usualy dont get as much shine as with only CA coats. But it is much quicker.

Good luck, George
 
My answer to all of the CA glue questions is, "There is no way that anyone can screw up putting the CA on the wood. The only difference between a "good" and a "bad" CA finish is what grit sandpaper we start sanding with."

CA is no different from any other finish - You put it on the surface, smooth it out as best you can, and you let it cure. That's it. Then you sand and polish it to whatever degree of gloss you want. If you are in a hurry, you can use an accelerator; but it is a good idea to wait for a minute before using it, and not use too much. Otherwise, the surface can look like popped corn from the CA curing too fast. You don't need the BLO. It is not a requirement for a CA finish; but you can use it to make the CA flow on more smoothly and sometimes accent the grain of the wood.

It doesn't matter whether you use thin or thick CA glue. The thin glue dries faster and it will take more coats to get the same thickness as the thick glue

Once the CA is on the surface and cured, it can be as smooth as glass or as rough as the Swiss Alps. The only difference between the smooth and rough is what grit sandpaper you start using. Start with 150 if it is rough, or 100 if it is really rough, and sand until the surface is smooth. Don't pay any attention to the sanding scratches. That's what the finer grits are for. After the initial smoothing of the surface, all further sanding is for refining the scratch pattern to smaller and smaller until it is too small to see with the nekked eye. At that point the surface will look to be shiny.

After the initial smoothing with the 150, start sanding through the grits until you have reached 12,000 Micro-Mesh, or 2000-grit with the wet-dry (black) sandpaper. You may want to stop at 600 grit, and finish it off with 0000-steel wool for a satin finish, or take that to the buffing wheels for a shiny finish. Don't skip any grits, don't sand too much, and always remove the scratch pattern from the previous used grit before going on to the next.

If you just happen to sand through the CA coating, wipe on a couple wet coats of thin CA. Wipe it on, smooth it out, and STOP while it is still wet. To me a "wet coat" is 7 drops of glue for each pen half. It's no big deal if it is a little rough - just back up a couple grits, sand until it is smooth, and start back up through the grits.

If the final finish is cloudy, there is moisture still in the wood. If the final finish loses its gloss by the next morning, there is oil in or on the wood under the finish. The problem is that you will see neither cloud nor dull until after the finish has been polished to a gloss, and the higher the gloss, the more visible they are.
 
Originally posted by rherrell

Originally posted by stevers

At first I used the CA only method. That method is very finicky. In my opinion, "some" sort of lubricant is very helpfull.

I am of the exact opposite opinion. I never could get the hang of the BLO method so I tried straight CA and it all clicked for me.
Don gave you the best advice. Keep trying and don't make it so difficult.
I agree with Rick, almost every time I tried a BLO/CA finish I got blush spots, I did start out using hard oily woods though, now even with Wenge or Purpleheart I with the blank down with acetone whit the lathe turning then when that dries which is P.D.Q. I start laying on CA, lathe slowed down to about 120 RPM and apply 3 to 6 coats of thin then crank up the lathe and start sanding.
 
I've never gotten the hang of boiled linseed oil even after watching and learning how others use the method, but I've never had a failure with using straight (thin) ca as my finish. So, I stick with what works for me.
 
From the first time I tried the ca finish I have never had a problem with it. I recived the instructions from a fellow turner, and he was shown by fritz from woodturningz. If you would like a copy email me and I will send it to you.
 
I first use sanding sealer on the blank, let that cure for at least 6 hours, lighty dry sand it with 600 grit (black wet/dry) and then apply Thick CA at slow speed, just a little dab and run that from one side of the blank to the other and back, then quickly squeese on a pool of BLO and start rubbing the blank while at the same time crank the speed all the way up and keep rubbing from side to side really fast for about 15 seconds then I stop and fan the blank for 10 seconds or so to dry it out. I'll then slow it back down, wipe off the excess BLO and very, very lightly sand with 600 grit for a few sconds and then apply the second and third coats the same way. Once done, I use a plastic polish to buff out any small scratches. After that, I go ahead and apply some wax. I like to use PPP brown, then white, then some friction polish and finish with Ren. Wax. I'm sure that's over kill but in the end it looks great [:p] Over the past year and half I've watched Russ Fairfields video a thousand times. In fact, I watched his and Ed's (YoYoSpin) videos again last night. CA has been a bugger of a finish but I've got it down now. You'll just have to keep at it. I've never just used scrap wood to practice on...not enough motivation for me to get it right...

Good luck!
Jason
 
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