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I understand the need for companies to make money and not give things away but it seems everything I look at from You Tube to newspaper articles either have ads interrupting it or require a subscription to read. If I subscribed to everything I'd be broke. I guess you can pay more to have ad free You Tube. The stuff that's free is usually propaganda of some sort that's being paid for by someone else that wants to drive home their message. Some of the ads on TV are absolute nonsense. Obviously it works because it continues and makes people rich. A fool and his money are soon parted. End of Rant
 
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I get frustrated by those paywalls as well. In the "olden days" (like 10 years ago!) these companies had (a) other sources of revenue from their print divisions, and (b) had not yet realized the money they were leaving on the table by giving away free content.
 
I have a series on YouTube. About a year ago ads started to pop up on the front of my videos. I can tell you point blank it is something I never asked for nor do i make any money off those ads. They are placed there by YouTube and I just have to accept that as a content provider.
 
Print as newspapers are dying out. So much, that the local paper mill changed from newspaper to toilet paper. More of a demand from the latter. Now people are getting news online. I would like to drop the Daily Disappointment but the we keep it for the restaurant coupons and grocery ads.
 
It's just another way for for the corporate companies to make money. I definitely don't hold the folks making the videos accountable, they are putting out some good informative content. I kind of treat them like the ads on TV. Come to think of it, most of the content in the YouTube videos is better than anything on TV anyway. Maybe that is why I am so tolerant of the ads.
 
Anymore the ads on TV only make sense to the guys who wrote the ads. Half the time I don't know what they're advertising.
Except the drug ads... they always have a name up, a new drug and a new disease for the drug to cure.
 
TellicoTurning said:
Anymore the ads on TV only make sense to the guys who wrote the ads. Half the time I don't know what they're advertising.
Except the drug ads... they always have a name up, a new drug and a new disease for the drug to cure.
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So true? Example - those very repetitive 'Never stop working' ads. Those ads must run four or five times during a single 30 minute news program (which is all I watch on commercial TV).

And the thing about the pharmaceutial ads that gets me is that the diseases that the advertised drugs are intended to address are relatively uncommon - I really don't know anyone who has those diseases. And if one should be diagnosed with the disease, I suspect their Doctor will prescribe the appropriate medication. So how likely is it that in the stress of that momemt they will remember the TV ad and request the advertised medication instead of the drug proposed by the Doctor? All of which leads to the question - exactly what is the point of those advertisements?????

And have you noticed that the actual pharmaceutical name of the medication is inevitably an unpronounceable combinations of consonants?
 
mark james said:
I wish this was more commonly understood.
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It's not that it is not understood...it's that it's loathed. I despise being the product for countless thousands of companies and individuals who can't seem to find a way to monetize their businesses in any truly legitimate kind of way. We have moved so far away from tangible, real products to completely virtual products, it seems no one really knows how to monetize anything anymore without monetizing the target audience itself. I long for the pre-advertise everything, everywhere, all the time days.

There are times when I'd happily pay for a product. Sad thing is, its just not an option most of the time anymore these days...there are just paywalls and prolific ads now.

Another thing is, advertising on the web is far from benign. It is part of a monstrous (and I do not use that word accidentally) system of deep tracking that generally knows more about each individual than they know about themselves. Deep knowledge about every single person who browses, sold to other advertisers so that in the end, there can just be more tracking and gathering of said knowledge. I use adblockers religiously and block third-party cookies whenever I can (which is becoming harder and harder as web sites themselves start integrating more and more third-party services that require cookies, and usually do their own tracking). I don't use social media. I'm in the process of switching to encrypted email. I like my privacy and security...monetization of me, means I have to give up my privacy and security in order to view something...something who's value is not necessarily well established before hand.

I really like buying and reading books, just as an off the cuff example. ;P It also used to be that we could buy and sell things with something we called a dollar bill, where proving who you were and that you were good for paying your bills was unnecessary, because we traded in a "real" currency (fiat maybe, but more real than bits zipping about wires). Anyone remember buying books in real, physical stores with actual dollar bills?

It's not that we don't understand. We just loath the environment within which we ourselves are being bought and sold like a run of the mill commodity, for "product" that may or may not be worth the price, if it is worth anything at all, just for the occasional gem of useful knowledge, insight, or what have you. 🤷‍♂️
 
jrista said:
It's not that it is not understood...it's that it's loathed. I despise being the product for countless thousands of companies and individuals who can't seem to find a way to monetize their businesses in any truly legitimate kind of way. We have moved so far away from tangible, real products to completely virtual products, it seems no one really knows how to monetize anything anymore without monetizing the target audience itself. I long for the pre-advertise everything, everywhere, all the time days.

There are times when I'd happily pay for a product. Sad thing is, its just not an option most of the time anymore these days...there are just paywalls and prolific ads now.

Another thing is, advertising on the web is far from benign. It is part of a monstrous (and I do not use that word accidentally) system of deep tracking that generally knows more about each individual than they know about themselves. Deep knowledge about every single person who browses, sold to other advertisers so that in the end, there can just be more tracking and gathering of said knowledge. I use adblockers religiously and block third-party cookies whenever I can (which is becoming harder and harder as web sites themselves start integrating more and more third-party services that require cookies, and usually do their own tracking). I don't use social media. I'm in the process of switching to encrypted email. I like my privacy and security...monetization of me, means I have to give up my privacy and security in order to view something...something who's value is not necessarily well established before hand.

I really like buying and reading books, just as an off the cuff example. ;P It also used to be that we could buy and sell things with something we called a dollar bill, where proving who you were and that you were good for paying your bills was unnecessary, because we traded in a "real" currency (fiat maybe, but more real than bits zipping about wires). Anyone remember buying books in real, physical stores with actual dollar bills?

It's not that we don't understand. We just loath the environment within which we ourselves are being bought and sold like a run of the mill commodity, for "product" that may or may not be worth the price, if it is worth anything at all, just for the occasional gem of useful knowledge, insight, or what have you. 🤷‍♂️
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I agree with everything you said, except for the notion that it is 'understood.' YOU are well informed! However, I do not believe the vast majority of folks that are being monetized have ANY clue of what is happening.
 
monophoto said:
So true? Example - those very repetitive 'Never stop working' ads. Those ads must run four or five times during a single 30 minute news program (which is all I watch on commercial TV).

And the thing about the pharmaceutial ads that gets me is that the diseases that the advertised drugs are intended to address are relatively uncommon - I really don't know anyone who has those diseases. And if one should be diagnosed with the disease, I suspect their Doctor will prescribe the appropriate medication. So how likely is it that in the stress of that momemt they will remember the TV ad and request the advertised medication instead of the drug proposed by the Doctor? All of which leads to the question - exactly what is the point of those advertisements?????

And have you noticed that the actual pharmaceutical name of the medication is inevitably an unpronounceable combinations of consonants?
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Drug ads are the bane of my existence. For field (psychiatry) the ones being pushed these days are for antipsychotics to be used for depression. Most of the time, when a patient asks about them they are already on a regimen that is going to work. Or they have only moderate depression. Or they have an entirely different diagnosis than what the med works for. Or they are already on a drug that is a low-cost alternative to the advertised drug. AND ANTIPSYCHOTICS HAVE DANGEROUS, LONG-TERM SIDE EFFECTS!!!!!
 
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