Ron in Drums PA
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Trying something different
Maple and Bubinga.
Comments welcomed
Maple and Bubinga.
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rtjw
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very nicely done.
jkoehler
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you make some terrific pens.
i was wondering..
if it isn't a secret. could you post the blank before turning?
that is if it isnt a "if i told you, i'd have to kill" scenario.
i was wondering..
if it isn't a secret. could you post the blank before turning?
that is if it isnt a "if i told you, i'd have to kill" scenario.
PenWorks
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WOW [:0] That is really nice Ron, I am at a loss for words, great job.
Ligget
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Ron, that is brilliant!
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]dfurlano
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Can I ask with what tool did you make the cuts. I am having trouble finding something that is accurate and easy to use. I tried to modify (in a good way) both a miter box and a table saw. Table saw was a miserable failure as can be seen below with the center cut:
Ron in Drums PA
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Thanks for the thumbs up folks.
I use a table saw.
That is some nice birdeye.
I didn't take a picture of the blank. Sorry. I have to remember to start doing that.
I use a table saw.
That is some nice birdeye.
Deere41h
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Ron that is very nicely done. I do like your creativity. How long does it take you to do the glue up?
gerryr
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Really nice work.
swm6500
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Nice pen Ron, you do some nice inlays.
alamocdc
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Nice looking pen, Ron! I really like what you did with the finial.
Darley
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Very nice work Ron, love the choice of wood, nice pen
wdcav1952
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Ron, just your usual brilliant. []
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Ron in Drums PA
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I never really timed myself, this glue up one took maybe 5-10 minutes. I had this idea pop in my head and I dashed to the woodshop to try it out. After I put on the finish I realized the pen needed something else so I added the two lines with a wire and refinished.
GregD
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Awsome job Ron. I keep forgetting to take a picture also.
Fangar
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Ron,
Not sure how I missed this one when you first posted it. Nice job on the design and workmanship. Really nice work. I also like the inset finial top. Great!
Fangar
Not sure how I missed this one when you first posted it. Nice job on the design and workmanship. Really nice work. I also like the inset finial top. Great!
Fangar
Woodnknots
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I'm going to have to try some segmented glue ups before long... One question though, how do you ensure that when you drill for the tube, that you drill exactly center?
Wait, one more question, what kind of glue are you using? I'm looking at these pens, and I know that not all the glue surfaces are long grain to long grain, that some of it has to be end grain. I'm an avid "flat" woodworker as well as a turner, and for us "flatwork" guys, end grain gluing is a no-no.
Wait, one more question, what kind of glue are you using? I'm looking at these pens, and I know that not all the glue surfaces are long grain to long grain, that some of it has to be end grain. I'm an avid "flat" woodworker as well as a turner, and for us "flatwork" guys, end grain gluing is a no-no.
TheHoneymooners
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I like I like I like!! I'll be glad when January gets here, and Mike can start working on similar ideas-- or just trying to replicate what you guys do! That is a fantastic looking pen!! Congrats!
Ron in Drums PA
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Dave,
I started flat woodworking too many years ago also. I promised SWMBO to get a pair of bookshelves done before the holidays, I'm gonna be in big trouble.
I drill my blanks on a lathe with pin jaws and perfectly square blanks. The corners of the blank seat against the jaws and not in-between the jaws. Rarely, if ever, do I see a drill bit go off center
Medium CA Glue.
I started out using Borden's knock off of Gorilla Glue. But when I started doing inlays I switched to CA glue.
Edge grain to face grain gluing. Yup, I had a problem with that rock solid rule too. I also had a problem with sanding against the grain like one would normally do on a lathe.
Someone might say "It's very thin wood that is supported internally by a brass tube. So you would not have that problem." and they would be right.
But I use medium CA glue to attach end grain glue blocks to face grain bowl blanks, and core out the centers. I can't think of anything that will give more stress than a 40lb block of wood spinning at 300- 500 rpms while coring out the center to make smaller bowls.
I've never had a glue joint failure. So my answer is "I don't know why it works, it just does"
Let me leave you with this thought. A mortise and tenon joint is long grain to short grain, a big no-no. Yet I've seen many of these joints that are not pinned and have not failed after decades of use.
I started flat woodworking too many years ago also. I promised SWMBO to get a pair of bookshelves done before the holidays, I'm gonna be in big trouble.
I drill my blanks on a lathe with pin jaws and perfectly square blanks. The corners of the blank seat against the jaws and not in-between the jaws. Rarely, if ever, do I see a drill bit go off center
Medium CA Glue.
I started out using Borden's knock off of Gorilla Glue. But when I started doing inlays I switched to CA glue.
Edge grain to face grain gluing. Yup, I had a problem with that rock solid rule too. I also had a problem with sanding against the grain like one would normally do on a lathe.
Someone might say "It's very thin wood that is supported internally by a brass tube. So you would not have that problem." and they would be right.
But I use medium CA glue to attach end grain glue blocks to face grain bowl blanks, and core out the centers. I can't think of anything that will give more stress than a 40lb block of wood spinning at 300- 500 rpms while coring out the center to make smaller bowls.
I've never had a glue joint failure. So my answer is "I don't know why it works, it just does"
Let me leave you with this thought. A mortise and tenon joint is long grain to short grain, a big no-no. Yet I've seen many of these joints that are not pinned and have not failed after decades of use.
BigRob777
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Ron,
Wow, I think this is your best yet. I love the way the inlay seems to graduate from medium to dark on the sides. It looks like what I would call a very tasteful Klingon inspired pen. I saw your celtic (double X?) and liked it a lot, but I think this one is even better. Way to go.
My response about the mortise and tenon idea is that the holding power in a M & T joint is the long sides, which are long grain to long grain. Granted some of these joints are horizongal and have a greater surface area that is end grain on top and bottom, but it also does include some long to long. I have not done a whole lot of these, maybe 60 or so. There still is some holding power on the end grain, but it is just less than other jointing methods. IMHO
Rob
Wow, I think this is your best yet. I love the way the inlay seems to graduate from medium to dark on the sides. It looks like what I would call a very tasteful Klingon inspired pen. I saw your celtic (double X?) and liked it a lot, but I think this one is even better. Way to go.
My response about the mortise and tenon idea is that the holding power in a M & T joint is the long sides, which are long grain to long grain. Granted some of these joints are horizongal and have a greater surface area that is end grain on top and bottom, but it also does include some long to long. I have not done a whole lot of these, maybe 60 or so. There still is some holding power on the end grain, but it is just less than other jointing methods. IMHO
Rob
Ron in Drums PA
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Another Closet Trekie!
I was thinking it had a more of a Japanesse Samuri look. But I like the Klingon thing even better.
I think you are right. What I should have said was a M&T joint is a cross grain glue up.
I was thinking it had a more of a Japanesse Samuri look. But I like the Klingon thing even better.
I think you are right. What I should have said was a M&T joint is a cross grain glue up.
BigRob777
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Ron,
The two (Samurai and Klingon) are not mutually exclusive. Regardless, that is one sweet pen. I'm afraid the cross grain glue-up is a bit over my head. I am mostly self taught in my woodworking, with the exception of New Yankee Workshop and what I have learned here (especially from Lou). I am dying to play with inlay, laminations. I am pretty sure that I mean laminations though. I want to layer the blanks, not insert strips into grooves (that's my limited understanding of the two terms, though I have read to the contrary here). Keep on making these beauties. Everybody seems to love them.
I just looked up Drums on mapquest and it looks like you are only 20 miles from my parents' house, on Mt. Pocono.
Rob
The two (Samurai and Klingon) are not mutually exclusive. Regardless, that is one sweet pen. I'm afraid the cross grain glue-up is a bit over my head. I am mostly self taught in my woodworking, with the exception of New Yankee Workshop and what I have learned here (especially from Lou). I am dying to play with inlay, laminations. I am pretty sure that I mean laminations though. I want to layer the blanks, not insert strips into grooves (that's my limited understanding of the two terms, though I have read to the contrary here). Keep on making these beauties. Everybody seems to love them.
I just looked up Drums on mapquest and it looks like you are only 20 miles from my parents' house, on Mt. Pocono.
Rob
BigRob777
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Ron (in Drums),
I think I see how you did it. You only cut part way through each side, then set in the inlay strips. Is that how you got the tips to look like points? Very nice. I have a ton of inlay strips laying around from cutting pen blanks down to 3/4". I hope to do some nice inlay and laminates with them. Now, if I can figure out how to use the curly koa strips and show off the curl, I'll be happy.
Rob
I think I see how you did it. You only cut part way through each side, then set in the inlay strips. Is that how you got the tips to look like points? Very nice. I have a ton of inlay strips laying around from cutting pen blanks down to 3/4". I hope to do some nice inlay and laminates with them. Now, if I can figure out how to use the curly koa strips and show off the curl, I'll be happy.
Rob
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