Randy_
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Does anyone know if the nib of the JS II screws into the nib sleeve or is it a press fit? With the Ver I. the little nib end screws into the sleeve with a very fine thread.
Question About Jr. Statesman Ver II Rollerball Nib
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Monty
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If I'm thing about the same part as you, it screws in.
The nib holder screws into the front section - assuming you are talking about the fountain pen version.
I think we have an issue of semantics, Ron.
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Using the picture above and the parts as labeled, this is actually a Jr. Statesman II nib from a recent group buy. If this isn't what you have, I'd be interested in seeing a picture.
Using the picture above and the parts as labeled, this is actually a Jr. Statesman II nib from a recent group buy. If this isn't what you have, I'd be interested in seeing a picture.
arioux
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Randy,
If you are talking about the little di*k shape looking end, it press in, it does'nt screw.
(Someone will definitely have bad tought about this one).
Alfred
P.S. I have an excuse, i'm french so i might use the wrong word once in a while[
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If you are talking about the little di*k shape looking end, it press in, it does'nt screw.
(Someone will definitely have bad tought about this one).
Alfred
P.S. I have an excuse, i'm french so i might use the wrong word once in a while[
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Randy_
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OK, I see that I worded my question very poorly and confused a lot of people. Sorry about that. Let me see if I can do a little better.
First off, I am talking about a rollerball pen, not a fountain pen. When I say nib, I am using the CSUSA terminology as shown on their instruction sheets; but point out that they "appear" to use different terminology for different kits......but maybe not if one takes a very technical interpretation.
The part/s that I am talking about is/are the metal piece that extends from the cap threads(nib coupler) at the writing end of the barrel. It has a cylindrical shape with a pointed tip at one end and is about 1-1/2" long. At the end opposite to the tip is a coarse, external thread that screws into the nib coupler. This is the piece your fingers actually grasp when writing.
In some kits, that piece is actually identified as two separate pieces that screw together with a very fine thread. The longer section (about 1" long and referred to as the nib sleeve) is almost cylindrical in shape(has a slight taper) and is the part that screws into the nib coupler. The other part is the pointy cone-shaped tip(called the nib) that is about 1/2" long and screws into the nib sleeve. On some newer kits, it appears that the nib may be press fitted into the nib sleeve or that the combo of the nib sleeve and the nib may be a single machined piece.
So now the question is about the Jr. Statesman Ver II rollerball kit. Is that chunk of metal a single piece or two pieces pressed together? From information I have been given, it appears not to be two pieces that are screwed together.
Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your help!!
Don't know why I didn't think of this before, as I am a fan of "call the seller"; but I am going to call CSUSA tech people and see what they have to say.
First off, I am talking about a rollerball pen, not a fountain pen. When I say nib, I am using the CSUSA terminology as shown on their instruction sheets; but point out that they "appear" to use different terminology for different kits......but maybe not if one takes a very technical interpretation.
The part/s that I am talking about is/are the metal piece that extends from the cap threads(nib coupler) at the writing end of the barrel. It has a cylindrical shape with a pointed tip at one end and is about 1-1/2" long. At the end opposite to the tip is a coarse, external thread that screws into the nib coupler. This is the piece your fingers actually grasp when writing.
In some kits, that piece is actually identified as two separate pieces that screw together with a very fine thread. The longer section (about 1" long and referred to as the nib sleeve) is almost cylindrical in shape(has a slight taper) and is the part that screws into the nib coupler. The other part is the pointy cone-shaped tip(called the nib) that is about 1/2" long and screws into the nib sleeve. On some newer kits, it appears that the nib may be press fitted into the nib sleeve or that the combo of the nib sleeve and the nib may be a single machined piece.
So now the question is about the Jr. Statesman Ver II rollerball kit. Is that chunk of metal a single piece or two pieces pressed together? From information I have been given, it appears not to be two pieces that are screwed together.
Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your help!!
Don't know why I didn't think of this before, as I am a fan of "call the seller"; but I am going to call CSUSA tech people and see what they have to say.
workinforwood
Member
That's a screw in piece. You have a press fit piece that you press in and then that piece screws into it. So, unscrew the nib piece, press in the coupler then screw the nib back on so you don't damage it in the press.
Rifleman1776
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Confusing. The title of the post said "rollerball".
The title was EDITED, Frank. Aside from that, there are NO nibs on roller ball pens.
its_virgil
Member
I beg to differ. Not trying to ruffle any feathers or start an argument, but I don't think the word nib is only used as the writing end of a fountain pen. The fountain pen purists may think that and want it that way...but it ain't so. The word nib is used by our suppliers (in their instructions)and by many, if not most, of the penturners with whom I visit to mean the very tip end of our kits....the thingy that presses into the end of a rollerball or ballpoint through which the refill passes...and also we know it means the writing mechanism on a fountain pen.
nib â€"noun
1. the point of a pen, or either of its divisions.
2. a penpoint for insertion into a penholder.
3. a point of anything: a cutting tool with a diamond nib.
4. a bill or beak, as of a bird; neb.
5. any pointed extremity.
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Don
nib â€"noun
1. the point of a pen, or either of its divisions.
2. a penpoint for insertion into a penholder.
3. a point of anything: a cutting tool with a diamond nib.
4. a bill or beak, as of a bird; neb.
5. any pointed extremity.
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Don
Rifleman1776
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Thanks for the lecture. Not unexpected. As I said, "confusing" title. Which BTW, still has "Rollerball Nib" in place.
This is not merely a matter of semantics. If you truly want to participate in the world of high end pens, you need to understand the terminology. Using the incorrect term will immediately show the pen afficianado or collector that you don't know what you are talking about. There are accepted and standardized names for components of pens. They are listed in ISO (International Organization for Standardization)in standard 12757 and others.
From Merriam-Webster online:
From wordnet.princeton.edu
From answers.com
From http://www.rickconner.net/penoply/glossary.html
Ballpoints and roller balls do not have "points.", they have "balls".
The fact that our suppliers and/or their suppliers use the incorrect term is not very persuasive. The fact that turners use the incorrect term is also not particularly persuasive.
From Merriam-Webster online:
From wordnet.princeton.edu
From answers.com
From http://www.rickconner.net/penoply/glossary.html
Ballpoints and roller balls do not have "points.", they have "balls".
Randy_
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Hey, Alfred. Is that French? I don't recognize the term??[
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Randy_
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My fault, Frank. My original title was a little unclear so I changed it.
Randy_
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Thanks, Ron. I guess we live close enough to each other to be affected by the same universal pentological forces. We apparently have the same understanding of pen construction even though my original question was carelessly phrased.[8D][8D]
its_virgil
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I still do not want to argue. But, I sometimes can't keep quiet. I know the parts of a pen...including fountain pens, ball points pens, and rollerball pens. When I talk to a fountain pen collector or afficianado I use the word nib, nib holder, front section, converter, pump, bladder, and all of the other correct terms and we both are on the same page. When we talk on the forums about a particular ball point or rollerball and use the word nib, we also know what part we discussing. We didn't just fall of of a turnip truck. This is my last comment on this thread.
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Don
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Don
Randy_
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Can't believe I am saying this; but this is a debate I choose not to enter other than to say that there are strong and weak points presented on both sides and that this is a debate that is unlikely to be resolved in our lifetimes.
Only request I have is that if folks want to continue debating pen terminology, please take it to another thread so we don't get away from talking about the gazurkyss of the JS Ver II. "Gazurkyss" being now defined as the subject of this thread since we can't seem to agree on exactly what it should be called. Thanks.[][]
Only request I have is that if folks want to continue debating pen terminology, please take it to another thread so we don't get away from talking about the gazurkyss of the JS Ver II. "Gazurkyss" being now defined as the subject of this thread since we can't seem to agree on exactly what it should be called. Thanks.[
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Randy_
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Hey Don: Maybe it was a cotton wagon in your case??[
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gketell
Local Chapter Leader
So, Lou, help out a newbie who is honestly trying to learn (but doesn't want to spend nearly $100 for the defining documents from the OSI)...
If "nib" is only the writing point of the fountain pens what is the proper term for the writing end of ball point/roller ball pen and, more importantly, the volcano-shaped piece that the writing end of the refill goes through?
Thanks in advance.
GK
If "nib" is only the writing point of the fountain pens what is the proper term for the writing end of ball point/roller ball pen and, more importantly, the volcano-shaped piece that the writing end of the refill goes through?
Thanks in advance.
GK
leehljp
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Maybe this picture will answer your question. I just happened to have a kit before me that just arrived.
Don - I know you didn't just fall off the turnip truck, but there might be one or two other members out of the 4,449 who do not know the correct terminology. I did not mean to offend you, but to help educate others. Isn't that a driving force behind the site?
its_virgil
Member
I'm not offended...not at all. And, yes, education is one of the purposes of this site. And, also, yes you know me well enough to know I'm no lost turnip. [] I just don't think it's that improper to call that thingy that the ballpoint and rollerball refills propel through a nib. You have the right to disagree.. as do I. I just hope I don't come across as disagreeable. Let's move on.
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Don
] I just don't think it's that improper to call that thingy that the ballpoint and rollerball refills propel through a nib. You have the right to disagree.. as do I. I just hope I don't come across as disagreeable. Let's move on.Do a good turn daily!
Don
Rifleman1776
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The title of the thread did (and still does) say "Rollerball Nib". That was a bit confusing.
However, a search of Internet dictionaries did bring up several that include the writing tip of <b>any</b> pen, including rollerballs and ballpoints, as properly being termed the 'nib'.
That said, the overwhelming majority of other dictionaries were specific that nib refers to fountain pens.
The nit/nib picking was pointless.
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