Thanks for your replies,Yep that would be me 007,,OK i know what to make now,i`ll be on vacation next week,i only have 4 kits left of the 20 i ordered,so if i put another order in this week i`ll have them when i get back.I like segments so i`ll do more of those,,i also like to get into embelishments with all the new things out,i never did any of that. Carl