How do you make a thread in timber blanks

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Hi all, looking to make kit less fountain pens using timber blanks.
How do you make the internal threads for say my aluminite section to screw into? The timber blank. As I am concerned the thread in the timber will not be strong enough.
 
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It will really depend on the wood you are using. You can try soaking the area in CA glue. The easy way is to glue in a sleeve of Alumilite
 

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Make a sleeve from ebonite or a material that will thread.

The cap needs a sleeve. Wood (non sleeved) will dry out the ink.

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Make a sleeve from ebonite or a material that will thread.

The cap needs a sleeve. Wood (non sleeved) will dry out the ink.

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Thanks Don, do you just buy the Ebonite as a Blank and then drill the centre to allow for the conversion pump and turn it down to slide into the barrrel (obviously drilling he hole in he barrel to allow it to fit. then make the section out of ebonite as well with a inner female thread to screw over the insert as in your picture and a male thread to allow for the cap to fit onto.
I live in Australia, so not sure if you can recommend a good supplier of the ebonite blanks / tubing.
Sorry for the questions, still learning
thanks in advance
 

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Thanks Don, do you just buy the Ebonite as a Blank and then drill the centre to allow for the conversion pump and turn it down to slide into the barrrel (obviously drilling he hole in he barrel to allow it to fit. then make the section out of ebonite as well with a inner female thread to screw over the insert as in your picture and a male thread to allow for the cap to fit onto.
I live in Australia, so not sure if you can recommend a good supplier of the ebonite blanks / tubing.
Sorry for the questions, still learning
thanks in advance
Yes, I drill the sleeve material first. Drill and thread as if it would be the pen barrel. I place it on the mandrel and turn it down as far as I think ia small enough but still strong. I stop at a diameter for which I have a drill bit. Drill the wooden pen barrel and glue the sleeve inside. Turn as usual.

The section can be made from the same material as the sleeves or a contrasting material. I have also sleeved a piece of the the wood to use as a section. I have a picture of that somewhere.

Ebonite works well but is a bit expensive. Several resins also thread nicely. I use a lot of acrylic acetate, kirinite, Alumilite uethane, and others.
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Pierre--- has good results threading the wood directly. https://www.penturners.org/threads/desert-ironwood-burl-kitless.176763/ Not many have his success.
I've never tried threading wood, but I would think that the woods that would accept the fine threads needed for pen making would be those with very tight grain and that are very hard—like the ironwood in the link. Blackwood and bloodwood would also work ok, I would think. Anything soft or with an open grain would be difficult. Like I said, this is totally based on theory. I haven't tried it.
 

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I've never tried threading wood, but I would think that the woods that would accept the fine threads needed for pen making would be those with very tight grain and that are very hard—like the ironwood in the link. Blackwood and bloodwood would also work ok, I would think. Anything soft or with an open grain would be difficult. Like I said, this is totally based on theory. I haven't tried it.
I agree, likely the harder the better. In his post, Pierre said he used maple, also. While I know Janka hardness isn't the ultimate characteristic, hard maple only has a 1,450 hardness as opposed to desert ironwood at 3,260.

His process of cutting shallow, CA, then cutting deeper seems to be the key. The other part is he's using a machine rather than tap and die set.

Such an interesting topic as I hope to do some of this in the future and prefer exotic woods over acrylics. Using ebonite inserts seems to be a good compromise.
 

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I used ebonite for sleeves and is great, but also brass. The advantage with brass (although you have to check the price difference) is that you may turn the brass very thin and it will still have enough strength to ensure the wood's stability and have enough interior space and exterior material to turn whatever shape you want. Threading brass is as nice as ebonite.
My question is, if you already have aluminite for the section, why don't you use it for sleeves as well?
 

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I used ebonite for sleeves and is great, but also brass. The advantage with brass (although you have to check the price difference) is that you may turn the brass very thin and it will still have enough strength to ensure the wood's stability and have enough interior space and exterior material to turn whatever shape you want. Threading brass is as nice as ebonite.
My question is, if you already have aluminite for the section, why don't you use it for sleeves as well?
Are we able to use the same tap and die sets for brass or does it require a different set?

Also, are you threading brass on a metal lathe?
 

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Are we able to use the same tap and die sets for brass or does it require a different set?

Also, are you threading brass on a metal lathe?
I use the same sets, actually such tools are designed for threading hard metal (steel), so brass is a joke for them :). I only have a wood lathe, I'm doing all my works on it.
 

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I use the same sets, actually such tools are designed for threading hard metal (steel), so brass is a joke for them :). I only have a wood lathe, I'm doing all my works on it.
Thanks for the reply.

Interesting. Do you have any examples where you used brass posted here?

I'd love to see what that looks like.
 

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I do not agree. Drilling larger diameters in brass is difficult with ordinary HSS drills. Threading is easy. I have special drills for plastic/brass 1-10 mm in steps of 0,1mm. For making the hole in the head of a brass hammer I needed to enlarge the hole. I had only normal hss drills To achive the 13,5 mm I need to drill in steps of 0,2 mm.
 

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I do not agree. Drilling larger diameters in brass is difficult with ordinary HSS drills. Threading is easy. I have special drills for plastic/brass 1-10 mm in steps of 0,1mm. For making the hole in the head of a brass hammer I needed to enlarge the hole. I had only normal hss drills To achive the 13,5 mm I need to drill in steps of 0,2 mm.
Drilling large diameters is difficult in any material, as is a matter of physics (surface, friction factor, bla... bla... ), but is much more obvious in metal. There's no need for such small steps, I usually make a 13mm hole (for the M14x1 thread) in just 3 steps: 6 (or 7)mm / 10mm / 13mm. It can be done even simpler, but I don't wanna stress my lathe. Anything else is inefficient and is a waste of time and resources. But, at the end, is just a matter of engineering knowledge, you need to ensure the right RPM, some cooling fluid (whatever might be, WD40, oil, water, mixtures, depending the drilling characteristics), a good drill bit (there are HSSs, and...HSSs ;) , if you know what I mean).
 

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is that ebonite sleeve turned on a wood lathe or a metal lathe? Is a perfect cylinder needed to be glued in the wood blank?
You can turn it on any lathe. No need for perfecțion, but don't go over 1/10 or 1/20 mm difference în diameter size on the sleeve lenght. Such gaps will be easily filled by the resin you use to glue it. You should have the same gap between sleeve and blank as you have for kit tubes.
 

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do you use ordinary chisels for turning brass?
I do have a modified wood sculpting chisel, but I also adapted a cross table with a quick-change holder and necessary cutting tools (these are all designated for metal turning). Using the modified chisel is quicker, but if I look for precision, I use the others.
 

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I do have a modified wood sculpting chisel, but I also adapted a cross table with a quick-change holder and necessary cutting tools (these are all designated for metal turning). Using the modified chisel is quicker, but if I look for precision, I use the others.
i was thinking about making a base (for a cross table) which i could clamp onto the tool rest base, do u reckon it would work? how did you fix yours if u don't mind sharing ?
 

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i was thinking about making a base (for a cross table) which i could clamp onto the tool rest base, do u reckon it would work? how did you fix yours if u don't mind sharing ?
I was going to ask the same thing. I have a Taig metal large but figuring out how to adapt a cross slide to a wood lathe would be pretty handy.
 

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i was thinking about making a base (for a cross table) which i could clamp onto the tool rest base, do u reckon it would work? how did you fix yours if u don't mind sharing ?
(for @InkyMike too)
You first have to ensure that the tip of your cutting tool is at the same level (or just a hair above, 1mm) with the center of your piece (see in the pics). I choose to mount the cross table on the lathe's body with a threaded plate and a screw. This gives strength and stability for the table. The only challenge is to align the table's axes (X, respectively Y) parallel and perpendicular with lathe's longitudinal axis. Unless you don't have (invented) some suitable device, this is a trial and error job until you are satisfied. Hope the pics will help, or keep asking, I'll support this matter as much as I can and I know.
 

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My goodness, that is stunning work.

Truly a heirloom piece. The matching box puts it over the top.

Thanks so much for sharing that link.
I thank you for your kind words! Indeed, the box gives another value to the pen. It was a real struggle to get such a large piece of stabilized maple burl, most of the suppliers simply don't have a piece of burl of 20x5x5cm (as I asked for) without any voids or defects.
 
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