Kit identification
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jttheclockman
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Probably a JR. Gent. Now weather it is a Dayacom kit or a clone
https://www.exoticblanks.com/instructions/jr-gentlemens-pen-Kit-Instructions.pdf
https://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/p/2/6909/artisan-Jr.-Gentlemens-Rollerball-Pen-Kit
https://www.exoticblanks.com/instructions/jr-gentlemens-pen-Kit-Instructions.pdf
https://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/p/2/6909/artisan-Jr.-Gentlemens-Rollerball-Pen-Kit
jjjaworski
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The nib section with the flats looks like one from a Baron . Of course different suppliers may use that type on gent style kits.
This Timberbits parts view may help ( or not ): https://www.timberbits.com/baron-ii-fountain-pen-kits.html
This Timberbits parts view may help ( or not ): https://www.timberbits.com/baron-ii-fountain-pen-kits.html
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wrjones224
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I've made many Jr Gentlemans and this didn't seem like the exact same kit. After looking at the barons I'm convinced it is one.
ccccchunt
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I believe Barons have black plastic threads on them. This looks more like a Jr. Gentlemans to me.
sorcerertd
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Wow, somebody has been rough on that one. Looks like it's seen actual battle. I wonder how old that kit is? As far as the current kits, the gent has a round section, where the baron has the hex. It was already pointed out, but the current baron kits have black threads. I suppose the coating (black chrome?) could have worn off. It certainly did on the center band.
Looks like a Caballero to me:
www.exoticblanks.com
Caballero Pen Kits
Caballero Pen Kits.Introducing a great new addition to the SPW Caballero pen kit Line. This SPW Caballero Pen Kit features the Smitty's innovation where the Black Chrome threaded couplers found on the original Caballeros and virtually all of our competitors kits with couplers plated in the same...
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In fact, it looks to be this tigold/tigold one, specifically:
www.exoticblanks.com
It looks like they are in stock, but they were apparently only made by Smitty's Pen Works. I am not sure who owns those kits now, or if they are still being manufactured...
Caballero Rollerball Pen Kit - Titanium Gold/Titanium Gold
his is the all Gold Tn entry into our single finish offerings in our popular SPW Caballero line of Component sets. Smitty's Pen Works is the only seller currently offering this plating option. The threads, cap button and Center band trim ring are the same finish as the rest of the plated parts...
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It looks like they are in stock, but they were apparently only made by Smitty's Pen Works. I am not sure who owns those kits now, or if they are still being manufactured...
Todd in PA
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I agree with Jon… Caballero.
wrjones224
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Jon I believe you are correct. I was about to
order a Baron kit so this saved me.
Thank you!
order a Baron kit so this saved me.
Thank you!
keithbyrd
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Exotic Blanks owns the Caballero now
its_virgil
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I've never seen a Baron with all metal threads. The original jr gent, the jr gent v1, was the same size (tubes) as the Baron.
Do a good turn daily!
Don
Do a good turn daily!
Don
So, I thought I'd chime in again here... I like the Caballero, beautiful kit. I have a couple, been meaning to get some more, so this spurred me on. I noticed something though, that stood out. The nib on the parts pictured in the OP, seems to be different than what I've generally seen for the Caballeros.
Now, maybe this is just due to time? Maybe some time ago, the nibs were different, and they were changed sometime in the last...N years? I don't know, only been making pens since around 2021. The current Caballero as far as I can tell, has a round nib section. Everything except the nib in the parts pictures, says Caballero to me...every other part looks the same. The nib pictured, however, appears to have a hexagonal one? I have been looking for a similar kit...so far haven't found one. Is there any chance, this may have been "kit bashed" a bit, with a part from another kit swapped in? The nib pictured, although gold, appears to be the same as a Baron? Baron rollerballs have that hexagonal nib, but the rest of their parts, are a little bit different. Notably, the threads on Barons (also called Navigator if sold by Woodcraft, same exact kit as far as I can tell) are always black, as far as I've ever seen. The threads in the kit pictured, however, are the same as the rest of the kit parts (gold?)
Anyway...just a small discrepancy I noticed. I've never seen an all-gold Baron or Navigator. In fact, lately, I don't think I've seen gold in either kit...maybe ever? I've seen chrome and black, gunmetal and black, all black, silver & even copper...but I don't think I've ever seen gold.
Now, maybe this is just due to time? Maybe some time ago, the nibs were different, and they were changed sometime in the last...N years? I don't know, only been making pens since around 2021. The current Caballero as far as I can tell, has a round nib section. Everything except the nib in the parts pictures, says Caballero to me...every other part looks the same. The nib pictured, however, appears to have a hexagonal one? I have been looking for a similar kit...so far haven't found one. Is there any chance, this may have been "kit bashed" a bit, with a part from another kit swapped in? The nib pictured, although gold, appears to be the same as a Baron? Baron rollerballs have that hexagonal nib, but the rest of their parts, are a little bit different. Notably, the threads on Barons (also called Navigator if sold by Woodcraft, same exact kit as far as I can tell) are always black, as far as I've ever seen. The threads in the kit pictured, however, are the same as the rest of the kit parts (gold?)
Anyway...just a small discrepancy I noticed. I've never seen an all-gold Baron or Navigator. In fact, lately, I don't think I've seen gold in either kit...maybe ever? I've seen chrome and black, gunmetal and black, all black, silver & even copper...but I don't think I've ever seen gold.
Ah!! Apparently, there IS a gold Navigator... Interestingly, I've never seen one of these in the local store, even though this site lists them in stock, but its listed online:
www.woodcraft.com
SO! Here is another theory... I wonder, if it is possible the pen parts pictured are just SO worn down, that the black has been worn entirely off the threads, AND the center accent band?
I can't think of any other way that a Baron/Navigator would have a gold accent band. Looking more closely, though, it seems possible that the "grime" in the threads, is in fact not grime, but the black anodization of the threads, that has just been worn off? Could it be possible that the center band, is the same thing? The center band right now, definitely looks Caballero-like...but the nib is decidedly Baron/Navigator.
Anyway...Caballero is a really nice kit! If it fits, I'd say go with it. Only question would be if its got the right tube diameters for the existing tubes?
WoodRiver Navigator Screw Cap Rollerball Pen Kit - Cobalt Gold , (JR GENTLEMAN'S PEN)
Light reflecting from the six faceted nib holder gives the look of changing shades of gold tones. This WoodRiver® Navigator Rollerball Pen Kit features a custom spring pocket clip and a gold tapered finial with black inlay. All of this fine detail is complimented by the single thin black line of...
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SO! Here is another theory... I wonder, if it is possible the pen parts pictured are just SO worn down, that the black has been worn entirely off the threads, AND the center accent band?
I can't think of any other way that a Baron/Navigator would have a gold accent band. Looking more closely, though, it seems possible that the "grime" in the threads, is in fact not grime, but the black anodization of the threads, that has just been worn off? Could it be possible that the center band, is the same thing? The center band right now, definitely looks Caballero-like...but the nib is decidedly Baron/Navigator.
Anyway...Caballero is a really nice kit! If it fits, I'd say go with it. Only question would be if its got the right tube diameters for the existing tubes?
Just checked out the attached picture at the bottom of the original post. Almost convinced now, this is a gold plated Baron or Navigator. The threads and center accent band, appear as though they are just incredibly worn, which took off the black anodized coatings, leaving behind the underlying gold color...
It appears that in the past, you could also get gold and black Caballero pen kits, which look almost identical to the Cobalt Gold Navigator I linked in the last post...with the exception of the nib part, which is round...
It appears that in the past, you could also get gold and black Caballero pen kits, which look almost identical to the Cobalt Gold Navigator I linked in the last post...with the exception of the nib part, which is round...